Iran Contra was a massive government conspiracy involving billions of dollars, illegal arms sales, death squads, drug running and multiple countries. It was covered up by and or shielded from the media for years. COG Planning Rex-84 was done by this same HW Bush 'secret government' during this time as well and is still secret from the public.

Project Artichoke, or how during the civil war in Laos the US dropped more tonnage of bombs than in both theaters of WWII combined and it was kept secret for years, MK ULTRA, the story of Gary Webb, Operation Mockingbird (control the media), Northwoods, Operation PB Success (Edward Bernays plotted propaganda campaign against Arbenz-overthrown by CIA for United Fruit), COINTELPRO/CHAOS (Hoover & Angleton hand in hand), Project Paperclip, Op. Ajax Iran Mossadegh, radiation testing on humans, E Howard Hunt confessing about the "Big Event" in Dallas, Remember the Maine, Operation 40, Bush Sr. Cuban ops/JFK, the USS Liberty Coverup, Building 7 collapsing. There's my version of hidden history jazz.

edit- Chalmers Johnson's American empire trilogy is a great start too, Guatemalan syphilis research, The Murder of Fred Hampton, JFK's secret service detail being called off his limo right before it turns onto Elm st, Operation Gladio false flag Cold War terrorism in Europe, Two Israelis caught with truckload of expolsives on the GW Bridge on 9/11

The Iran Contra hearings were televised day after day on the big three networks. The things that the previously unknown Oliver North came out and proudly defended were shocking. And it was pretty clear that even worse was being covered up. I just found this video, but it seems pretty informative.

Coverup is definitely the best Iran Contra documentary ever produced. Bill Moyers Secret Gov does an alright job but falls short on calling out the deeper issues. I like how this goes into the October Surprise, drug running and how much of the trial was just a whitewash. Was made with the help of John Stockwell.

I knew about a lot of this stuff, but a few new items as well. Informative stuff there. I like it.

the manhattan project. it happened, thousands of people, two entire cities built, not a peep. your dad probably heard of it.

iran contra. he probably heard of that too.

need more?

Wait, wait, Ollie North is a hero dang nabbit!

Learn to use the internet.

if your dad is as smart as you claim then youtube is probably the last thing you want to show him. Look for papers with citations that dont rely on spooky music and self proclaimed experts.

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An official was quoted as saying

Experts agree....

Sources say...

Someone with knowledge of the case has said

On the condition of anonymity...

Anytime you see any of these phrases in any news story, you can be well assured it is propaganda.

All I know is that in my short time at community college, were I to turn in a research paper that listed youtube links for 3/4's of it's references I would have failed the course. I personally am not swayed by spooky music and poorly researched material asserted as fact so I imagine the OP's dad (probably a lot closer to my age than yours) shares my feelings.

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Look at me for instance, I am not an "expert" in the societal view of anything. I have almost no formal education post high school but I have been reading (or listening) to book (and audiobooks) at the rate of about 2 a week since I was around 16. One of the fields that interest me is terrorism and specifically Islamic terrorism and I would venture to say I have read everything available to me in the formats I like on the subject. Books about 9/11, the Chechen conflict, the seizure of the grand mosque, first hand accounts of the Islamic revolution in Iran, just all kinds of shit that have anything remotely to do with terrorism. I also am fairly good at being able to tell you which book a specific fact came from (within reason) and cite it accordingly.

Now, knowing this would you put more weight behind my opinion on a terrorism issue or the guy who just got done reading the wiki article on the difference between Sunni and Shia? Again, I am not asking you to blindly trust that what I am saying is true, I can point to where the information came from and won't even lay spooky music over my text to confuse you.

I just did some quick google searches on the Manhatten Project and i came back with this. Kind of interesting but not a lot of info on that one. So let's go a little deeper. This is a good starting point to get the ball rolling in the direction desired.

This site does a good job explaining the Manhatten project pretty well.

My guess is that your "incredibly smart" dad has no, or effectively no, examples of these "un-scientifically sound" facts, and it just relieves his brain from having to think; it makes him comfortable in his cute illusions about the world operating as one big warm-breasted mother for his own special benefit.

If he has actually managed to investigate any of the silly myths that make up his world view - which he hasn't - then, then tell us what. As your father is "incredibly smart" then your reply, full of examples demonstrating that your father can actually think, will be one long list.

I am waiting...

I would say certain extracts from 'tragedy and hope' by professor carroll quigley (he was Bill clintons professor) He also authored the 'anglo american establishment.'

Tragedy and Hope is a rather long and some would say dull read save the few revelations which you can read plenty about by googling tragedy and hope quigley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley

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The reece committee investigation into tax exempt foundations is worth a look too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_to_Investigate_Tax-Exempt_Foundations_and_Comparable_Organizations

There is a video testimony from norman dodd in his later years available.

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operation gladio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

Explain to him that a district attorney is a publicly sanctioned conspiracy theorist. The only difference between him and you is that the public has entrusted him with the tools and the venue to prove that in most cases a conspiracy theory is indeed a conspiracy fact. If your father does not believe that "conspiracies" happen, then i would suggest that he spends the day at the county court house and see how many timed the judge throws down the gavel and declare that so and so is guilty of conspiracy.

He can't be too clever if he honestly thinks it makes sense that passports could be recovered from the wreckage of the twin towers but the black box flight recorder couldn't.

cointelpro, put out crack pot tin foil hat conspiracies to make everything look suspect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

Did you read that wiki article?

Operation Northwoods.

The Rendlesham Forest Incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8DHDsweaWE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxdNsSwMeDQ&feature=related

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

Watch the doc: Human Resources with him.

If he is as intelligent as you state - he will be able to connect the dots from OSS --> CIA --> POTUS --> Current Police State of America.

Watch Psywar after that. It is a very similar documentary narrated by the same woman.

You probably mean scientifically unsound. Sometimes some of the most interesting revelations are not pertaining to a grand conspiracy but point to a world that does not operate how we might think. This may be due to disinterest on most peoples part or willfull concealment. There are plenty of facts out there that in my opinion most or many do not know or do not care about which paint a different picture or tell a different narrative.

An example would be the idea that the u.s helped create al quaeda as opposition to the russians in afghanistan, there is a video of hilaryclinton admitting as much. Saddam hussein was aided by western powers as he was seen as a useful tyrant to have onside against the ayatollah of iran.

it may be that videos by adam curtis such as the power of nightmares or century of the self can get people thinking differently.

A simple list of evidence with no definite conclusion drawn, but as the implication does not support your dad's quaint world view you will get a kick out of him saying that evidence is not evidence when it is not convenient: titanic or here. Note that a conclusion isn't drawn, unlike the mass media fairy tales that your father dutifully accepts (Iran has an active nuclear weapons program)

Your dad will be able to help NASA out with this one. Again, it is the uncomfortable implication that will make your "incredibly smart" dad deny reality until the subject is changed. fake moon rocks Again, note that a conclusion isn't drawn, unlike the mass media fairy tales that your father dutifully accepts (The protesters in London Libya are the legitimate government)

And he will be able to answer questions for Bertrand Russell with this one: JFK

If your "incredibly smart" dad can use a stop watch, which, as it is an investigative tool, I doubt, he will be able to time the suspension of everyday physical processes (other than gravity). Again the social pressure forcing him to say that steel has no strength will be too strong for him to overcome. (The surrounding material will be too much for him: just focus on the collapse) free fall 1 or free fall 2

The Northwoods that you are so interested in: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

Your 'Dad' needs to give a proper account of himself: what evidence - scientific evidence - has he presented, ever, to support :

• no explosions at the demolition of the WTC towers. Note that even the NIST fags hid from this one in all of their (non peer reviewed) studies. Luck we have your dad, huh?

• actually any of his silly caves - invisible hijackers - superhuman jumbo jet flying - WTC 7 - noble zionists trying to save us all through the MSM - George Dubya ... conspiracy theory

• that special interests and corrupt politicians have never made agreements other than under full legal and public scrutiny. [How do you manage to align your positive view of you father with his back peddaling from this question?]

• that a fertilizer bomb in a pick up truck did blow up the Oklahoma FBI building, and the remarkable FBI death toll. Do, please, let us know his 'scientific' insights on this one.

• Iran Contra not being a conspiracy.

http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=16945&title=9-11----trauma-and-denial--why-people-resist-the-truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVE8rV3-Zos

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

You know how the FBI sets up terroists plots, just they can bust them and say, look we busted them! Well they kinda screwed up one time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFLHzWJN7-8 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing#FBI_involvement

Remember the underwear bomber? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdwaBiFPGZ4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_Farouk_Abdulmutallab#Awareness_by_US_Intelligence

But hey, who knows. People will think what they want to think. That's been my experience.

Operation north woods Operation paper clip for starters

Yuri is a real eye opener

Look up Walter Veith on Youtube. He's got hours and hours of lectures I'm sure your father wouldn't be able to refute.

No matter where you look closely at 9/11 the 'facts' look wrong.

People like your dad believe that the buildings just 'look like ' they were imploded.

It just looked like building 7 had a little asymmetrical damage and then came down in a completely symmetrical manner.

It just looked like there were 4 munitions experts who were assigned to " VIP's within the Executive Branch who entered building 7 that morning and they just happened to have an appointment there.

The Pentagon just 'looked like' there was no airliner crash and the heavy engines made no mark anywhere.

It just looked like Rumsfeld assigned the power to interdict hijackings to himself personally and then sat on his hands as they occurred.

It just looked like there was no airliner at the crash site at Shanksville PA.

It just looks like there was a military stand down.

It just looked like the attackers were trained by our own military.

It just looked like the people who issued their visa's and let them into the country were given bonuses.

It just appears that the hijackers weren't devout Muslims at all.

It just looked like the evidence that proved the hijackers identity was planted.

It just looked like bush was hiding among human shields until the action was finished in case the mission failed.

It just looked like there was destruction and hiding of the forensic evidence.

It just looked like there was a cover up.

It just looked like there were gag orders to silence witnesses.

It just looked like the 9/11 commissions investigation was corrupted by the White House.

it just looked like there were scores of official international warnings of the coming attack that were 'ignored'.

It just looked like the buildings turned to dust facilitating them to fall through themselves with all joinery, bolts and welds, suddenly un joined.

It just looked like the south tower defied physics by not conserving momentum as it tilted over and then stopped tilting without cause unless there was a demolition.

It just looked like there were no Arabs on the flight lists of the unscheduled flights of that day.

It just looks like the cell phone calls from the flights were faked because they were impossible at the time.

It just looked like the FBI confiscated the video from the Pentagon.

It just looked like the 5 frames of video they finally did release were heavily Photoshopped, with heavy black lines around the shadows for instance.

It looks like I'm tired of enumerating these but there are plenty more.

To you're dad I'm sure these things were all just anomalous appearances like you might find in any event.

That level and number of false appearance never happens.

If he uses numerous and far fetched official theories, proposed by 'experts' who are almost unanimously employed by the very government that did the crime as to why each single item looks wrong, piecemeal, rather than drawing the obvious conclusion that it's all false, done for political power, as so many other false flag events in history have been, then he isn't that smart.

Buy him a copy of Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley.

http://www.naturalnews.com/034501_conspiracy_theories_facts_2011.html

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