r/conspiracy: r/conspiracy, can we get a list of credible facts that can convince the mass?

r/conspiracy, can we get a list of credible facts that can convince the mass?

27 2012-02-10 by [deleted]

Lately I've been a bit bored with /r/conspiracy because there are too many exaggerated threads from "uncredible" sources. This is a conspiracy site so I expect to see sources that are considered uncredible sources from non-conspirator's point of view. However, if we want to convince the mass, we need to use credible sources without jumping into rediculous conclusions or assumptions.

A good example wood be Operation Northwoods. It is from a credible source and shows the potential that the CIA can commit terrorism on it's own nation.

25 comments

14 tttt0tttt 2012-02-10

Sometimes there are no "credible" sources. The corporate media is controlled. There are topics they won't report on. There are slants on other topics that they will never take. Where do you go for "credible" sources? All the sources that conflict with the fascist state are deemed uncredible by the media and the government.

2 hst_samurai 2012-02-10

true. even "credible" sources in science give way to new "credible" evidence/theories. Credit is only given when the creditor feels the source is legit.

4 arikah 2012-02-10

The whole point of r/conspiracy is to "wake up" people, but the sad truth is that a lot of people simple aren't ready to handle the truth. The best we can do is offer up an array of things that the gov or whoever said happened in a certain way, and facts to oppose their version of the story. Natural selection will bring out the critical thinkers who can see that things don't add up, and will reach out to others to present these things like we are doing now, who in turn will gain momentum until the "100 monkey" effect comes into play, once that happens... well I'm not sure what happens then.

Also don't forget, history is written and recorded by the victor. There are traces of the truth out there but it is buried under mountains and mountains of information. We might never know the truth behind say, 9/11, but we know that events did not unfold as the official story claims.

1 9000sins 2012-02-10

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

1 tttt0tttt 2012-02-10

I'm become convinced that most people will never wake up as long as they continue to watch television. The TV is the primary brain-washing tool of the elite class who control the government and through them, all of society. Those who watch the television every day are locked into a fantasy world that they mistake for reality, and it's almost impossible for anyone else to break them out of it. They have to want to learn the truth themselves, before they can begin to be free.

3 ikilledyourcat 2012-02-10

This convinced me that something was going on

4 LegioIXHispana 2012-02-10

I'm speechless...

3 iamnotallthatbad 2012-02-10

WHAT. THE. F**K!?!? That's a conspiracy if I ever saw one.

2 joseph177 2012-02-10

I'm believe they are the 'honeypot', blatantly obvious trolls to consume valid exposure efforts, paving the way for a much more subtle set of sock-puppets to sway opinion. At least that's how I would do it.

3 [deleted] 2012-02-10

Gulf of Tonkin, USS Liberty Incident, 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état, MK Ultra, The Manhattan Project, Operation Mocking Bird, Operation Northwoods, Rex 84, Iran-Contra Affair, Watergate, BCCI Scandal, CIA Drug Running in LA, The Business Plot of 1933, Bohemian Grove, and Bohemian Again, and lastly Project Paperclip

2 ikilledyourcat 2012-02-10

www.reddit.com/r/documentedtruth

7 [deleted] 2012-02-10

http://www.reddit.com/r/Conspirafact/

3 ikilledyourcat 2012-02-10

www.reddit.com/r/nolibswatch

2 ikilledyourcat 2012-02-10

also www.reddit.com/r/area52

2 LonelyPolarBear 2012-02-10

Gulf of Tonkin.

2 pork2001 2012-02-10

This is not exactly on the main post topic but is relevant.

The CIA evaluates facts for credibility using a variety of parameters. They look at sources' reputation for validity, accuracy, track record of being right, its connection to unreliable sources, lots more. When trying to understand correlation and causation, they often have to operate probablistically instead of with geometric logic certainty.

I use the CIA's ACH software to do evaluation studies when the data is not perfectly conclusive and you have to deal with probabilities and hypotheses; you can get info here:

http://competinghypotheses.org/docs/User_FAQ

And the methodology explanation section is useful to read. I use the old Windows version but apparently ACH has gone Open Source and is Linux based now. But Windows version here anyway: http://www2.parc.com/istl/projects/ach/ach.html

1 preventDefault 2012-02-10

http://ifeveryoneknew.com

1 PopCornPlayaa 2012-02-10

Look at my recent post! Its how Vietnam started, The Tonken Gulf report.

1 hst_samurai 2012-02-10

The list will be helpful, but only self motivation will yield any results. There is no meta-conspiracy(well, who am I to say this :/), but many major forces, some visible, some invisible. As archonemis points out here, open mindedness is needed to connect the fragmented dots. To encourage this: Sit down with them and watch Evidence of Revision, maybe over a couple nights. This is an especially good entry and will get anyone with a working brain on the hunt, or fill in some gaps about JFK, RFK, etc...

Because disinformation takes the same form as information, 'credible facts' becomes a philosophical debate.

1 9000sins 2012-02-10

There is a meta-conspiracy. It's the Rothschild banking cartel conspiracy. Most other conspiracies are a splinter of this one.

1 iamnotallthatbad 2012-02-10

I usually categorize conspiracy theories into three groups: one being certainly true (and still ignored by major public), second being plausible truth and third being pure speculation based on facts. I myself enjoy discussing all these, but those who would prefer to leave all speculations and 'UFO' -talk out of conspiracy theories might find it frustrating to inform public when the truth is labeled under same category with crazy.

0 TruthWillSetUsFree 2012-02-10

What is a "credible fact"? For example, would you consider it a "credible fact" to claim that "the government" exists? If so, have you ever saw and/or met "the government"? If not, does it really exist, or could it be an illusion?

https://sites.google.com/site/wikiofsolutions

1 9000sins 2012-02-10

May I reccomend a class on basic logic? Your question makes no sense. Of course there is a government and they are very visible. Flimsy logic only hurts your case.

0 archonemis 2012-02-10

Don't look for people with closed minds. Look for people with open minds.

"Never teach a pig to sing. You'll only waste your time and annoy the pig."

"Give not that which is holy to dogs,

neither cast ye your pearls before swine,

lest they trample them under their feet,

and turn again and rend you."

2 hst_samurai 2012-02-10

true. even "credible" sources in science give way to new "credible" evidence/theories. Credit is only given when the creditor feels the source is legit.