Aside from the common theme of fear mongering, I personally like Alex Jones. I've never had to pay for any of the videos I've watched from him, and he brings to light many issues that most of our society chooses to ignore. Yes he is over the top, and maybe he is trying to make a buck - but that doesn't mean I can't just listen to what he has to say once in a while. Sometimes it's a very nice change from the 100% BS that is the MSM. To each their own.

Aside from the common theme of fear mongering, I personally like Alex Jones.

That's the core of the problem: Alex Jones operates only on fear mongering. That's his brand, his product, that underlies absolutely everything he says. His message is toxic with hate and fear.

So people think the MSM is crazy because they are fear mongerers, what with their wars, terrorists, crimes and fires, and they jump in the arms of another fear mongerer, but believe they've made real progress. It's like trading cancer for AIDS, it's not any better. Or it's like saying "I'm not racist, I have lots of black friends!" and then hating Arabs and Asians.

Jones points out real problems in society, but he does in it such a way that he discredits the whole effort of criticism by showing us only one way to criticize: by yelling and shouting and being scared as shit of everything. Nevermind criticizing by being calm, productive, and recommending solutions, which he never does. He's also incredibly biased, and a terrible, terrible, just plain awful "reporter", if he's at all worthy of the name. I mean, he sees a rock on the ground and finds links of how the CIA wants to use it to destroy the universe.

There are serious problems in society. It's important we are honest with ourselves and try to fix them. We need to stay calm, positive, recommend solutions, promote and implement them. There are lots of people doing it already, they're called volunteers and activists. Their message is positive and productive, it's not scary, paranoid and paralyzing.

Fox News is one extreme, Alex Jones is another. I choose the middle path.

I have to agree and this is the problem with many conspiracy theorists. There are real conspiracies that happen in the world and sometimes there are valid stories that are posted on r/conspiracy, but the the problem is that so often many of the real facts just get drowned out by sensationalist stories, wild eye fear mongering, and hyperbolic conclusions. The USA has done many things in the world that clearly do not live up to our narrative of promoting freedom and democracy, but that does not mean that everything bad that happens in the world is due to the USA or that everything this country does is out of malice and spite. Just because something may not be reported in the "mainstream media" does not automatically give it credibility, there needs to be evidence for claims to be taken seriously and folks like Alex Jones have no care for such a thing because that gets in the way of the sensationalist story he is promoting. It often breaks down to a feeling that if you talk to a regular person about their shadow, its just a shadow, but if you talk to r/conspiracy about their shadow it turns into a secret government agent that is trailing them personally with nefarious intent

if you talk to r/conspiracy about their shadow it turns into a secret government agent that is trailing them personally with nefarious intent

That's why I always make sure to have lights everywhere around me, or be completely in the dark. Who's smarter NOW!

Just kidding, I agree with everything you've said and have nothing more to add :P

Agree. Why don't Alex's fans get it? He discredits conspiracies with his over-the-top antics.

So then, any serious, calm person who is curious about conspiracy becomes repulsed by Alex & his confrontational crowd.

I personally feel that most conspiracy theorist have some crazy quirk that invalidates or discredits them. A simple question, if Alex Jones was nice and calm and told everything like it is and left all the gray area that comes along with conspiracies, who would listen to him? I mean, sure you could say "yeah! I'd listen to someone like that". You might be one of the few. Alex Jones is on the radio, and it's about listeners. No one is going to listen to a guy that talks about stuff that kinda might be happening some of the time. Maybe Alex Jones is a part of the great Illuminati puzzle. Something tells me that we know about these people david icke etc, because of their quirks, and not because they tell us about stuff that might sorta kind of be happening.

he has to use the rhetoric because there's no substance behind what he says. verse yourself in basic logical fallacies and it's hard to listen to him for more than a few minutes.

That's irrelevant because I'm just talking about the selling aspect. Not what he says...

completely agree with that. I've thought that for a long time about Jones. what he says is like the headline of an issue of The Enquirer, or Weekly World News----there is, in each story, a kernel of truth, but it's surrounded by so much fear, pandering to the "underdog" of the moment, and sensationalism that it ends up being ridiculous.

Wait isn't r/conspircy ABOUT fear mongering?

It's not supposed to be, but much of it has degenerated into that, yes.

Conspiracy: planning done in secret

Conspiracy theory: speculation regarding the nature of a particular plan done in secret

/r/conspiracy: a place where people can share information and speculation regarding conspiracies

Fear mongering is entirely optional, and I would argue, detrimental, to the whole effort of conspiracy theorists. People like Alex Jones are often unbalanced and obsessed by conspiracy theories, forgetting all the other perspectives you can have on life. Anger is unhealthy, it's no better than denial. It's possible to study and follow conspiracies without turning into a madman.

Massive upvote.

Anyone who shows up to Bilderberg with a bull horn to shout shit at the police from 20 feet away gets credit in my book.

Credit for being a buffoon?

How does the bullhorn take down Bilderberg?

Does "60 Minutes" use a bullhorn?

But "60 Minutes" just reported on Insider Trading in Congress 2 months ago, exposed an issue -- and generated a groundswell of support for an anti-Insider Trading law, which Congress was shamed to pass last week.

If Alex had been involved, no law would've passed.

How does a bullhorn take down Bilderberg?

Will reasonable people suddenly say "Look! There's a guy ranting with a bullhorn. He must be right. I'd better look into the Bilderbergs. Screaming bullhorn people are always insightful, especially the raving ones."

Or does Alex just look like an anus? And thereby taint the rest of us?

He's an activist. 60 minutes will tell you about a problem. AJ will go out there and try to do something about it.

Screaming at passing cars on a bullhorn just makes everyone associated with you look like an idiot. That is not productive in any way.

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I saw it as something that needed to be addressed. A lot of information ended up posted in this thread. Success.

Kudos comrade.

Bilderberg is just a boring economics conference, you can find transcripts of what they talk about on wikileaks. It's unbelievable that people still think it's some evil illuminati meeting where they're all on the same page plotting shit.

Agreed , indeed if people spent half a hour researching Alex Jones and the money behind him you can clearly see a evidence of simple old fashion money grabbing greed which underpins his reason for existing.

The fact that he hasn't yet been found with two bullets in the back of his head and a suicide note pretty much sums up all the 'truth' you need to know about what this man is spewing.

Real truth-tellers die. They die fast and TPTB don't give a shit who's left asking the questions.

Just ask the folks who leaked the truth about DeepWater Horizon. Or Banking Mortgage Fraud. Or the News Of The World scandal.

Alex Jones, David Icke... all of these fucknuts exist to make the real truth seekers look like crackpots.

You have to understand - They made an entire country hate anyone who questions the official, ass-backwards and full-of-holes story about 9/11. Made them mock the 'Truthers' who... just want the full, unbiased story about what happened to their dead loved ones.

That is the true face of the forces you're fucking with. Not 'reptoids' or fucking 'interdimensional elves'.

You're dealing with sociopaths, unchecked greed and way too much fucking power put into far too few hands.

All the rest -- until conclusive proof is exposed -- is fucking chaff meant to distract and confuse you.

he fact that he hasn't yet been found with two bullets in the back of his head and a suicide note pretty much sums up all the 'truth' you need to know about what this man is spewing.

Again, Devil's Advocate -

That, or the fact that he's the most well-known conspiracy theorist in the world today, and everyone (both haters and followers) are watching him like a hawk. Imagine if he was found dead, even if it looked like an accident, the first thought would be murder, and his followers would think "well, of course they killed him, and this only underlines everything he's been saying - he was killed b/c he was right."

His detractors/haters know this - so they let him live - so guys like you will say exactly what you just said, all the while trying to marginalize him more. Keeping him alive, they think, is benefiting them more than killing him.

Sure, his presentation is shit, sure he fucking flies off the handle all of the time, and he does sound like a ranting/raving lunatic - but presentation aside - tell me where he's wrong. I don't take anything he says at face value, but anytime I've bothered to research the rabbit hole of information he spouts - he's been right.

And, David Icke? Total different ballgame. That guy may be right on some things, but he's obviously a total kook on the lizard bullshit. That clearly has no basis.

So, if you're just criticizing him on his presentation, hey I'm with you. He's horrible. But, if you're saying he's intentionally lying - ok - I'm all ears/eyes - show me.

This man need more upvotes. Too bad I only have one to give.

I gave him one too.

I gave you one, maybe you can share it? Rad.

Hear hear!

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I've read a couple - quite some time ago, to be honest, when I was just starting out - but yes. One of them was called 'The Biggest Secret' and the other was Children of the Matrix, I think.

You may or may not like this documentary. Not directly related.

You can add his claim that climate change is a hoax to the list. I've watched several of Jones's videos and while they start off compelling enough, there never fails to come that WTF moment where he makes some utterly ridiculous claim and thereafter loses any semblance of credibility IMHO.

You actually believe Al Whore when he says that the world is gonna burn up into a crisp?

Al could be wrong.... there is a slight chance the Earth could be struck by an asteroid or comet before we finish destroying it ourselves.

Although in that case it's still improbable it would be completely cataclysmic.

Depends on how you define "completely cataclysmic." If you mean the end of all life on Earth, all the way down to the last DNA molecules, then you're probably correct. But if you mean a slate-wiper for many higher order species, all I can say is it would just be one more in a long line of cataclysmic events on this old rock.

Devil's Advocate here:

evidence of simple old fashion money grabbing greed which underpins his reason for existing.

um, so that's why he regularly promotes making copies of his videos to hand out to the masses...?

Alex needs work on his approach and his presentation, but this is a tired, and easily refuted stance that his detractors regularly spout.

um, so that's why he regularly promotes making copies of his videos to hand out to the masses...

Free advertising!

Exactly, free advertising - that's costing him a lot in profits.

He's clearly not in it for the money, b/c telling your customers to copy your videos for free, and hand them out is a serious money losing marketing campaign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAwyPc7mWtY&feature=related

Ever hear of the "Alex Jones Money Bomb" gimme-your-money-for-nothing fundraisers?

I have.

In case you're not familiar, running a nationally syndicated TV and radio show along w/ hiring a FT crew costs money.

No, lol

A radio ( or tv) show has advertisers to help fund the show. The advertisers choose a particular radio ( or tv) show because the radio ( or tv) show's audience might be interested in the product.

Is this the first time this has happened? I think we should be told.

When the advertisers also own the show, and rip off anyone who buys their products, you can bet they're ripping off the listeners with cruddy "tell them what they want to hear" information.

they're ripping off the listeners with cruddy "tell them what they want to hear" information.

Most shows tell people what they want to hear.

But more importantly just because the owner of the station advertises gold coins that are over priced ( for people looking just buy gold at close to melt value ) does not suddenly invalidate everything Alex jones has ever said. I would recon that say Jon Stewart probably doesn't like junk food commercials in the Daily show. That doesn't mean he doesn't believe in what he's saying.

Broadcasters have to roll with the punches a little, sometimes fight for editorial control, some times they have to deal with shitty owners, sometime they have to fill the slow news days with waffle. It does not mean alex jones is "cruddy". He has to work within the system to provide decent information that he beleives matters.

TL;DR Cruddy owners or advertisers does NOT mean a cruddy Host or presenter.

I would love to see some of this posted here.

lots of info if you look but it centres round Genesis Communications Network and Midas Resources, Inc Here is something for you to start with http://scatattack.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/warning-about-buying-gold-and-silver/

Seems like kind of a rant, so I didn't read it all, but gold coins have markup for mining, production, insurance, etc. Think of it as a load fee for a mutual fund. And, the advice to buy gold and silver in 2009, or anytime before that, seems like very good advice when compared with the dollar (or even the S&P).

So, they provided a service and good advice? Is that the point of the rant?

Although this is only one of many shady areas Jones is involved in let me make this clear to you, as you did not read it all. Ted Anderson owns Genesis Communications Network which in essence owns Alex Jones radio show, he also owns Midas Resources which sells it's 'Gold and Silver' to people via adverts on Alex Jones show and elsewhere. The gold is sold as a solid investment and also sold at 'wholesale price' What they don't tell you is that they are not selling you bullion but numismatic coin and this is a completely different thing to investing in gold.

It is a complete scam which is covered by a very effective disclaimer (small print contract).

Honestly it is genius, run a radio show designed to appeal to people who are prepared to believe horse shit (like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYop_8Rd48E&feature=related and thats just one show)and can't or won't research stuff for themselves and then sell them junk.

I think they prefer numismatic coins because they have dual value. There's the melt value, but there is also the collectable value. There is also the argument that coins with numismatic value are less susceptible to government confiscation. They are also much more expensive, because they are generally designed coins sold in small values with collectable cases, and not just blocks of metal. That value is justified because they are stamped by a government as being a specific percentage of pure. When you try to sell them, it's easier to sell coins from the US Treasury than it is to sell blocks of gold.

But, whatever. Do you get this bent out of shape by all businessman, or do you just hate capitalism? It seems like the people who made those purchases in 2009 made a better investment than most anyone else. What's the problem?

You might think that numismatic coins are better but you are just wrong. Gold is gold, it is easy to test and has no problem being sold whatsoever. This is why people buy any form of scrape gold it is easy to value and test for purity. Gold in 2009 would have been a great buy but this is not what these people were buying, although they thought they were. Numismatic coins require age and rarity to be of value. Ted Anderson sells numismatic coins which he markets as gold but they have a value around 200% below what you could sells them for at scrap value, its a con pure and simple.

sells numismatic coins which he markets as gold but they have a value around 200% below what you could sells them for at scrap value

That's the crazy. I found it. You have no idea what numismatic means.

I have a 1 oz Ultra High Relief Double Eagle from the US Mint. That coin has three different values. Its face value is $20; its melt value is $1,725; its numismatic value is somewhere between $3,000 to $5,000.

On what fucking planet do you live on where the numismatic value is ever less than the melt value? I want to go there to do business. Only fucking morons there.

Do you somehow think that people are purchasing gold coins and using them at the gas station?

Assuming the current spot value of gold is $1720, this is pretty close to what to expect:

Buy:

American Eagles:1760

Canadian Maples: 1750

African Kruggerands: 1740

Bulk/bar gold/oz: 1730

Sell:

American eagles: 1720

Canadian maples: 1710

African krugerrands: 1700

Bars/bulk: depends on the size. They are harder to sell. They are much easier to fake for one thing.

Coins don't cost much more than bars and they are easier to sell and they sell for more money.

There is nothing unethical about selling coins. That is what most people want. It is also what most people are better off buying.

Difference between melt value and spot value isn't that much.

Sounds about right.

Just seems like he doesn't understand that some American Eagles have collectable value, or numismatic value. For instance, the value of this gold coin is worth more than ones from the year before or after, because of it's collectable value.

Edit: That said, most gold coins or only worth slightly more than their melt value. But, they are generally more desirable, because they are easier to trade.

True, true, true. Unfortunately, much of the latest run has been driven by fear. The value of collectibles has, in some cases, gone down. I have an almost mint $10 bill from the Jackson era that is now worth 1/4 what it cost 10 years ago....which was a lot of money in my book.

Coins were a hobby 10 years ago, now they are bought as insurance against various catastrophes. Some gold and silver collectible coins have seen a drop in their numismatic value.

This year is interesting. Many things are getting better. We are one of the better horses in the glue factory.

True that the latest run was driven by fear, but the fear is justified. Even today. Europe is burning as world nations are in the process of falling. Chinese GDP will pass the US GDP in 2016. There are over a hundred banks set to be downgraded this week. Interest rates are low, because if they were rased people would lose their houses. Yet, the Fed also has to lie about the inflation numbers, because if they were reported accurately, cost of living increases would break the treasury.

The worlds a mess, so when choosing collectables, choose smart. Same thing goes with picking a hobby.

Derp.

On what fucking planet do you live on where the numismatic value is ever less than the melt value?

On the planet we're on now where the fake US mint is selling "Gold^clad proofs"

Thank you.

At the risk of being downvoted I must say, your use of simple words and bold type is very effective. However, you might as well tell me not to think of a pink elephant :)

I have seen Alex Jones post more compelling and eye opening stories than the one you got so upset over. Chicken nuggets, really?

If you really want to make a difference you need to know what you are talking about, and be able to support your theories with evidence in a calm and non-confrontational manner.

Yes, but you also need to think outside the box, connect the dots, and see the bigger picture, while still keeping an open mind.

Alex Jones isn't helping anything. He makes us all look stupid.

Speak for yourself! I happen to like Alex Jones. While I may not agree with everything he says, I believe his intentions are for the greater good and I love his interviews.

EDIT: Nothing personal

I believe his intentions are for the greater good

I think he is a pied piper. Distracting, leading malcontents to a controllable solution.

But yeah, occasionally I listen to him.

But distracting people from what?

Distracting people? He is the anti-mainstream media. We need to realize Alex Jones carries an incredible burden. He surrounds himself with N.W.O. shit 24-7. He knows more than we do, and it freaks him the fuck out. He is extremely stressed out and it does turn to rage on the airwaves. This is who he is. He is unable to talk calmly about this shit. He is trying to wake people out of trances, is he supposed to discuss these topics like it's a poetry reading? Come on.

Listen, I like AJ. In fact, I listen to him or watch some of his youtube videos every day. The guy before me said that he is "distracting" so i was curious what he meant by that.

active deconstruction of the system.

I am not a violent person, but a lot of people are violent. Having a man to empathize with, to shout at and with, keeps you from burning down city hall.

Not that burning down city hall would help, mind you.

I say he makes us all look stupid, because really what he does is completely discredit the movement. Yes, you are entitled to watch/listen to whatever you want, but throwing around his jargon while attempting to shed light on someone who is asleep is like asking the most liberal of liberals to bow and call Limbaugh "god."

Not to mention his stories, which aren't even his most of the time though he takes credit for them, and of which he makes the boldest of assumptions in a most matter of fact way with no supporting evidence. He literally could be the conspiracy wing of FOX news.

And why do people watch FOX? Because it's bright and colorful and tells them what they want to hear in an entertaining format while blasting the liberals. It isn't really news at all, just opinion. Same with Jones. Sure there are tidbits of good information in his "work," but I'm sure of the same for FOX.....

When dealing with conspiracy theorists there is going to be some level of character bashing and skepticism. It comes with the territory. I don't really see the connection between Limbaugh and Jones other than the fact that they're both loud and heavy. What it comes down to for me is the information presented. I like how he takes stories and puts them all together. In the end I make up my own mind how much weight I put into them.

I can't compare FOX to Jones, that's like oil and water, totally different and they just don't mix well.

I always hear Jones comment on his team of researchers and how they all gather the information that is presented. So I can't say I agree with you on how he takes all the credit himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAwyPc7mWtY&feature=related

I wish I'd save the selfpost from a few weeks ago where an author from an alternative news media site explained how Alex Jones and his staff were ripping off his articles without giving him any credit. I've been searching for it, and will edit with the link if I can find it.

Edit: here it is
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ou25g/people_have_been_asking_me_about_alex_jones_and/

Came in here to post my experience with his media enterprise. Thanks for doing it for me.

I think it's worth mentioning if they were legitimate, they would just offer proper attribution and then continue to post my stuff. Heck, if I was operating at their level I would give independent journalists at least $5 just for reposting their article because I know how much blood, sweat and tears we put into this with no monetary return.

I'd totally be open to having them post my stuff again but I think it says a lot that they would stop after either I a) asked for attribution or b) criticized Jones because he misrepresented information. I'm not sure which one it was that actually caused it or maybe a combination of both.

Sorry but giving proper attribution would potentially affect his business. He's the top dog and he wants to keep it that way. This is how business works.

I see now. Just to clarify, I thought Alex was taking credit for what his staff was doing, but now I see his staff is taking credit for what someone else is doing. Pretty shitty of them, especially since the guy is just asking for credit and not money. Alex seems more like a front man than a behind the scenes guy when it comes to his show, in my eyes.

While I will still probably listen to Alex Jones at least now I have another source for this kind of info. Thanks for the link :)

He is much more entertaining and though provoking than any CNN, MSNBC, FOX host. Actually quite entertaining.

Wrong, foolish, stupid? IMO it is unpossible to be more foolish, stupid and wrong than MSM these days.

At the end of the day he is probably more right than what is "normal".

Agree 100%

He woke me up and many others.

The accuracy of the MSM is not relevant when determining the accuracy of Alex Jones' reporting. Both could be accurate, both could be deceiving, or it could be a mix. We cannot make a judgment about one, based on the other.

Surely you don't actually believe that it isn't possible to be less accurate than the MSM. After all, if everything the MSM reported was obviously false, no one would believe it. Instead, we must be on guard for sources that are usually accurate, but occasionally deceive their audience. In this way, the audience does not notice they are being deceived, and takes in the false with the true indiscriminately.

He presents through over-hyped sensationalism. This blurs the facts in the same way as his mass media counterparts!

As soon as AJ stops speaking and starts shouting, I'm out of there. I will always credit him for injecting me with some perspective about our fucked up geo/socio-political landscape.

When Brian Williams starts shouting spazzing out and beats his chest on Rock Center, I will start to watch it.

When Dylan Ratigan started to freak out I started to watch him. When Glenn Beck lost his mind...well I can't really take him now either.

There is a place for chest beating in news.

Not a fan of Alex, but he actually does a good job of getting people to think outside of their norm. He is loud and obnoxious and jumps to conclusions, but he also gets people excited about what they aren't seeing.

And he sounds like Sam Kinison.

EDIT: Jesse Ventura should do the AMA.

he's planted disinformation. They let him sniff around in places he shouldn't, but in return he never reveals what is truly happening and he gets people caught up on the wrong angle most of the time.

As far as the OP's comment, we can never apply full-blown belief or skepticism to anything. Alex Jones has been seen out cavorting with Bush's/etc., so it wouldn't be surprising if he were part of their fold. He gets people to think outside their norm, but in a very fearful and angry direction that usually won't solve anything. That being said, who knows when he starts telling the truth either?

he's planted disinformation.

Ventura?

I think he meant jones, I like jessie ventura. I do feel ventura only taps on the issues but never goes deep enough. Perhaps out of fear, i don't know. Anything on television you need to take with a grain of salt

Ventura is hard to judge. I'm not sure, but with every source, I apply skepticism. I usually try to identify the half-truths and do my best to separate the wheat from the chaff by using my gut/intuition and research.

This week it's Alex Jones bashing, next week it'll be back to David Icke bashing, rinse, repeat. And a few weeks down the road, one (or both) of them will get something "right" (or close enough to be able to say "I told you so.") and the whole thing starts over.

We all know Jones is the conspiracy blow-hard equivalent of Rush Limbaugh. The only people who seem to complain are those who are either just waking up, or just discovering they can actually comment negatively in this reddit. The rest of us have known it for years and we just watch the flow of informational pus pustules as they ooze through, rather than getting our feathers all ruffled because someone posted another piece of shit.

We all obviously don't know. I didn't start this post to bash him, but hopefully to encourage people to think for themselves instead of quoting jibberish. Your generalizations of the only two motives I could have to post this are lacking.

AJ is entertainment for truck drivers. He has to fill four hours a day. And, it's funny sometimes.

Lighten up. It's like the Zero Hedge site. With so many assholes trying to propagandize you and cheat you, it's nice to have a few people that go crazy about everything. When they are wrong, who cares? When they are right, as they often are, we should care.

My generalizations of this submission are an echo of the last 3 years of the same horse shit. You simply took it personally. Awww... u mad, bro?

No, but it seems you are.

"I know you are; but what am I?"

Pee Wee Herman

What I am is just a guy, looking for truth while helping out others with things I've found out along my "quest." Why are you so angry about it? You're a mod in this sub, and you're actively ridiculing things very much related to peoples' learning.

I agree with your stances on many issues, but not this one.

Title: ALL CAPS (check)

Body: Lots of boldface (check)

Comments: Accuse others of being angry. (check)

You're a mod in this sub, and you're actively ridiculing things very much related to peoples' learning.

If being a mod in this subreddit means that I am not allowed to have and express opinions, I'll gladly step down (in fact, I've already had this discussion with the other mods, and am still considering it).

I am not required to be nice to you. Grow a thicker skin.

I agree with your stances on many issues, but not this one.

It seems that you are implying that you're capable of independent thought. If so, then why does my opinion of your post/comments have any meaning to you whatsoever?

tl;dr: In this subreddit, saying that Alex Jones is full of shit is like saying 9/11 was an inside job -- just another circlejerk. This is my opinion. You don't have to like it, but I do have a right to have and express it.

Comments: Accuse others of being angry. (check)

I think that was you:

U mad bro?

Ya that's you.

If being a mod in this subreddit means that I am not allowed to have and express opinions, I'll gladly step down (in fact, I've already had this discussion with the other mods, and am still considering it).

I think you should just post under a pseudonym. Especially if your true intent in modding on r/conspiracy is to improve a forum dedicated to promoting truth, growth, and quality (if this is not your intent then you probably shouldn't be a mod). Yes things have cycles, and new members join the sub daily. They may not know all these things and are a major reason for reposts all across the board in every sub. Having a mod who is deferring to quotes from pee wee herman isn't really helping though. My opinion of course.

I am not required to be nice to you. Grow a thicker skin.

I don't see where I flew off the handle anywhere.

It seems that you are implying that you're capable of independent thought. If so, then why does my opinion of your post/comments have any meaning to you whatsoever?

You sent so much negativity in my direction I couldn't help it. I try to be a positive person, and if I effect someone in such a way as to inspire such a "colorful comment," I felt I should attempt to rectify it.

In this subreddit, saying that Alex Jones is full of shit is like saying 9/11 was an inside job -- just another circlejerk.

For the more learned, absolutely. But if you look, there are many people who still buy it all hook line and sinker. Hence my attempt to convey some truth. Which managed to produce quite a few rational arguments by all types of people. Success in my opinion.

You don't have to like it, but I do have a right to have and express it.

Absolutely. I also have a right to question it. As you mine.

I think you should just post under a pseudonym. Especially if your true intent in modding on r/conspiracy is to improve a forum dedicated to promoting truth, growth, and quality (if this is not your intent then you probably shouldn't be a mod).

You're welcome to your opinion. And, since it is apparent that your opinion is that you are right and I am wrong, how about this...

Fuck you. I'm no longer a mod. Feel better? (Be sure to tell highlady420 that she needs to get one of the other mods to take over sidebar maintenance.)

You're welcome to your opinion. And, since it is apparent that your opinion is that you are right and I am wrong, how about this... Fuck you. I'm no longer a mod.

Didn't say you were wrong. Was just giving you another perspective on your comment. Sorry you took it like this, though it seems you've been boiling up to this point for a while.

Sorry you took it like this,

Oh, so... you didn't mean all that shit you said about "I shouldn't be a mod" and that I'm not constructively participating? Meanwhile, you're all on your high horse because you got an AJ circlejerk post to make it to this subreddit's frontpage? Yeah... well, I certainly meant what I said... Fuck you.

it seems you've been boiling up to this point for a while.

Yes and no. Opportunity simply knocked. I spent three years of my life pursuing this moderator position specifically for the purpose of using it to destroy a man's life (one who wronged me 12 years ago). Once I got the position, I realized that I no longer wanted that revenge... I even confessed all of this to the other mods. And, now I can truly say that I resisted the temptation to drag another man's life into the shitter, simply because I could (even though he did that to me). yep... Now, I can say "been there, done that".

You just gave me a free pass to walk away from this shit. Thanks.

Oh, so... you didn't mean all that shit you said about "I shouldn't be a mod" and that I'm not constructively participating? Meanwhile, you're all on your high horse because you got an AJ circlejerk post to make it to this subreddit's frontpage? Yeah... well, I certainly meant what I said... Fuck you.

I'm not going to apologize for something I didn't say:

if your true intent in modding on r/conspiracy is to improve a forum dedicated to promoting truth, growth, and quality

Is what I said. Your opinion here didn't express any of these qualities.

As for the rest I'm glad that when you attained the power you sought, you acted appropriately with it. Shows a lot of character even if your original motives were less than pure.

I hope to still see you around here, mod or not.

Hey, lliar. How about including the whole quote.

Especially if your true intent in modding on r/conspiracy is to improve a forum dedicated to promoting truth, growth, and quality (if this is not your intent then you probably shouldn't be a mod)

As for the rest of your feigned politeness, I got some more "fuck you" for that, too. Big bags of it for anyone who wants some.

I hope to still see you around here, mod or not.

Ain't gonna happen. Oh, look... that crazy fucker just deleted another account.

I thought that part was self explanatory. A mod should always keep those things in mind when posting from his mod account. Still my opinion. There is nothing fake about my politeness, being polite is very important in any discussion though I'm not always able demonstrate by example.

Oh, look... that crazy fucker just deleted another account.

Not following you.

I saw the post in /new linking to this thread.

Not following you.

As much as I won't miss that opinionated ass, I have to say... you're not very bright. He was semi-famous in this subreddit... mostly for deleting accounts and starting over every 3 or 4 months.

Ha he posted it? Funny.

I have to say... you're not very bright.

Love to chat with you about that..

Edit: Didn't realize he was deleting all of his accounts, hadn't refreshed the page for a few minutes. Wow.

Love to chat with you about that.

I doubt that.

The one thing Username_Tokin had in his favor was that he was dedicated to exposing conspiracies. This was his greatest asset to this subreddit, and this subreddit will be less effective in that respect in his absence. And while that doesn't change the fact that he was an opinionated ass.... by the same token, exposing conspiracies does not require politeness or political correctness, despite your incessant whining about it in this thread.

He will be sorely missed. =(

He did sort of have a way with words, didn't he...

exposing conspiracies does not require politeness or political correctness

Getting people to listen to them does.

I honestly like the guy. He's not so keen on me, but nothing I can do about that. Why don't you continue ridiculing me instead of explaining why I'm so dim.

Hey, man ... you got your Alex Jones rant to the top of /r/conspiracy's front page! You go, girl!

Imbecile.

Ad hominem.

So, you think you're pretty smart? Here's one of Tokin's posts from one of his many previous accounts.

Good luck.

I'll check it out when I get up. I don't claim genius, nor did I claim you.. Ehm sorry meant tokin, is dumb. I keep saying I liked the guy. Doesn't mean we have to agree on everything.

That paragraph contained zero information

What would you like it to say?

As Joe Rogan says, "About 70% of Alex's stuff is true"

Joe is being nice. I'd go 50/50 on it. :)

So alex jones isn't perfect BUT he is willing to go outside the mainstream perspective.

Yes he's a talk show host and uses controversy and exageration sometimes to get his point across but he's still refreshingly different to the mainstream choices.

here is a some one on fox news business saying how similar the mainstream is, it's 4m27secs long and well worth it.

Judge Napolitano.How to get fired in under 5 mins

TL;DR alex jones isn't perfect but at least he's doing something.

TL;DR the government isn't perfect, but at least it's doing something?

These people are never going to see Alex for who he is: COINTELPRO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqNKUvCQFok

Not this shit again.

OP - Where do you want us to go for information?

Please answer in a positive way ( ie list resources ) and not just say "Not alex jones".

thanks

Relevant Post on info sources

nice one! lots of info. Thanks

http://www.spitfirelist.com

There are many alternative news sights. You can even try using your brain to pick through MSM and figure it out for yourself. I'm not going to list a thing. I don't work for any site and I will not tell you how to think.

My intention here is to encourage you and others to think for yourselves. If you want the truth you should IMO, take the evidence alone from any program and sort it out yourself, instead of letting someone else fill your head with their own. Like how the msm works, keeping people asleep, Alex's show is controlled awakening. You are awakened to an opinion that is not your own and think that's the way it is. What is the difference if you're asleep or awake if you're still letting someone else think for you?

Edit: I edited a link into my selfpost.

Edit 2: And I can't believe I was downvoted for asking people to think for themselves in a subreddit supposedly seeking the truth.

There are many alternative news sights

like?

You can even try using your brain to pick through MSM and figure it out for yourself

And if MSM simply doesn't report the information how do I pick it out?

Alex's show is controlled awakening. You are awakened to an opinion that is not your own and think that's the way it is. What is the difference if you're asleep or awake if you're still letting someone else think for you

It seems to me that you are saying if you listen to alex jones you are too stupid to tell the difference between a well presented evidence based presentation and a speculative poorly referenced presentation or an interview with a well informed source from an interview with a detatched poorly placed source. that is everyone apart from you.

Well thanks for the insult but I ( and probably everyone else on this sub reddit ) can tell the difference between quality Alex jones materail and poor alex jones material. When added to MSM I appreciate the breadth of opinion and information he provides, it does NOT mean I believe anything he says. We may not be as smart as you "FightForYourRight" but grant us with some intelligence please. The very fact that we tune into Alex Jones and r/conspiracy shows we are skeptical people. Why would we not also be skeptical of alex jones? Makes no sense.

TL;DR Just as we are not MSM sheep we are not alexs sheep either.

Well I think you entirely missed my point. And if I insulted you, I apologize. Was not my intention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L777RhL_Fz4

In Plain Site is disinfo.

You are the very definition of disinfo.

So it goes against your principles to share your sources? That's not helping others awaken, that's being an asshole. If you really were a mature adult you woud realize that it is a wealth of information that helps others learn, not a limited selection. Imagine school teachers telling kids to find their own material, what good that would do.

There are more than enough links posted on this subreddit. I don't have anything "special" to add, I pick through the muck like everybody else.

No need to call names my friend. I'm not an asshole, or ignorant of anyone and their opinion. I am also not your enemy. I am in the same boat as everyone else here.

So you are on a veritable jihad against Alex Jones' Infowar, but you have no suggestions for an alternative. Yet you claim to be a conspiracy theorist. Sounds sketchy, and a bit hypocritical. Not surprised though. Your type are legion on Reddit.

Many alternatives. There was a link right under her question with many of them. These things are everywhere. You claim to be seeking the truth, but are only interested in what's given to you?

Yet you cannot name one.

Also, your tone. Do you see the reaction you get from people? Look throughout your comment history at the response to the angry accusatory fashion in which you shape your words. It isn't always what you say, but how you say it. Patience and politeness will enable you to get a lot further in any attempt to "wake someone up." But always remember that people won't see something they don't want to see, it's can sometimes be described as cognitive dissonance. Badgering them with self righteous hate will accomplish only ostricism. And never immediately discount any opinion, there are bits of wisdom in the silliest of arguments.

What you are referring to is trolls and paid shills (among them, yourself) who are manufacturing a public reaction to my free speech because it touches on some very sensitive points that the government sure as hell doesn't want examined. Keep it up, I ensure you the harder you push your censorship, the further backlash reaction you will get. In effect, you are digging your own backload of work for you to do later. So keep it up...you might have job security but in the end you will burn out. >:)

Your speech being free doesn't mean it makes sense. I'm done arguing with you bud.

Well Praise Jesus! I was getting sick of hearing your retarded nonsensical grunts every 9 minutes.

Good luck censoring other people. Now run along, little one.

☜☺☞

Nice symbol at the end. Now I know you are a shill.

That's lame...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winged_sun

Your owners will be disappointed.

I just made it to be a face pointing with fingers. But you, in a conspiracy craze, made it out to be something I haven't even heard of.

Reading the Wiki description, the winged sun is a symbol of middle-Eastern royalty, so I'm not quite sure how you're extrapolating anything meaningful out of that.

FTR, I don't have 'owners,' but I'm pretty sure you do. Your in-depth occultic knowledge shows your Zionist background pretty clearly. Kudos, shill.

If you trace the masons back far enough you will learn that this brotherhood is at least as old as egypt. The secrets in plain sight documentary proves it flawlessly. And the winged sun is one of their symbols.

You aren't searching for the truth, or attempting to expand your knowledge, you're searching for bits and pieces of information that confirm your current worldview. You really think you're that special that someone in one of these disinformation programs would spend hours on end asking you to think for yourself? That's is absolutely absurd. I genuinely feel sorry for you. I guess that's why I keep up this "debate." I see me when I first started out: angry and afraid and trying to make a difference. Hope you fare well. Good day.

Fight: "WE GOT ONE WHO CAN SEE!"

I don't search for the truth and never find it like mockingbird COINTELPRO echoes bleat endlessly. I put on my hypothetical glasses and see the truth. Just like in "They Live," once you wear the glasses of truth, it's easy to see what's fake and what's not. And you sir, are 100% sham and shenanigans. Good night.

You are a fool, and when you "grow up" you will see it. Just like I did myself.

You saw that you're a fool? Well, at least you're being a bit honest.

Think about this: Alex Jones has been on the air 20 years. Bill Cooper didn't make it that far did he? Nor did this guy.

http://www.republicmagazine.com/news/john-g-loxas-was-armed-with-a-baby-so-a-scottsdale-cop-shot-him-in-the-head.html

You really think that Alex Jones is that untouchable? Nope. But he is useful to them in so many ways explained by myself and others throughout the post.

Isn't it way past your bedtime, Fighty? Don't make me tell your Mom.

I never said Jones was untouchable. In fact, if I recall correctly, you were the one who said that he was a shill for not getting killed early enough. You need to tone down a notch on the doublethink.

I don't doubt that great patriots such as Jones and Cooper will inevitably be arrested or killed for their efforts against the beast system of the New World Order. That is to be expected. But in the end, all the Zionists and Luciferians are heading to hell in a handbasket, and the true God-fearing patriots will triumph over Lucifer's regime of totalitarian big brother hell.

I haven't laughed so hard in a while. Thank you for that.

You're quite the laughing hyena, no doubt.

Laugh and mock all you want. We will defeat you and your New World Order, grunt!

Your persistence is legendary - Alas, I, unlike you, have a meaningful job and life, so it's time for me to take a snooze. So please leave your stupid derogatory anti-truth comment below because I will leave it as it belongs - all alone.

Your trolling is reaching legendary levels. Redditor for 6 months, -164 comment karma. Yet your link karma is expanding greatly, which goes to show how dumb people are. And you are their leader.

You're missing the point entirely.

Anything can be a source when you know what you're looking for. And any source can have false information planted in it. Cointelpro is not some underfunded government half ass program, nor are the people running it stupid. You need to be able to filter the information for something useful, and combine it with other useful bits of knowledge you've picked up on the way. But in order to do this you have to think for yourself.

Check out red pill radio. Sometimes they're useful to me.

Thanks, found a good Alex Jones documentary there - Truth Rising. Although the sites navigation is crap...none of the links are working to any content. You can do better than that, can't you?

Ask me anything you want to know and I'll give you whatever I know about it with where I got it from. I'm not a teacher, still a student as well. Maybe a more advanced student than some, probably not as advanced as many. Your "path to truth" should go where you take it. Not where someone else is leading you to go.

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Shoo! Away with ye, pest!

I bring tooths to the world (I stead them from under kid's pillows)

I found alex jones to be like rush limbaugh a blow hard that likes to brag about how right they are, all the freaking time.

Rush Limbaugh has said in interviews that he says what he has to in order to get the most market value. He'll admit he's fully of shit and people still listen to him. It's scary.

Alex Jones is the boy who cried wolf.

It's annoying. He keeps getting everyone all riled up and each time there's usually nothing there.

That being said, one day, a wolf will come. If we have made the boy in the field silent in our minds and we do not listen, no matter how much of an asshat that boy is, we risk a part of our flock of sheep.

We have to listen, but we also have to be careful. Thanks for the heads up.

Yes listen! There are many many other sources than Jones though! If you only listen to him, chances are you are going to miss a real opportunity, because he most likely will be ranting about some bullshit.

I hear ya. The key with Jones is filtering out the fear. I use it more as a measure of what 'they' want to be telling us right now. I usually try to meditate on the anti-thesis of Alex's subjects from a fear perspective...

You get it.

Alex Jones may be over the top, but his intentions are good and was actually one of the first alternative news reporters LOUD enough to get me to pay attention. There is a method to his madness and I don't think he is the one making any of us look stupid. Our puppet-masters at the top already do a hell of a job convincing the rest of the public of that. I may not agree with everything Alex says, but I certainly support his overall crusade and his ability to wake people up, your efforts certainly aren't doing that...

The only thing I give Alex Jones credit for is sneaking into and filming Bohemian Grove, and documenting the training for Operation Urban Warrior. Beyond that I take everything he says with a grain of salt and a good dose of skepticism.

Operation Urban Warrior - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plELx_wmNgU

Bohemian Grove - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5dHhvpHIjM&feature=related

I am thankful for both of those as well as his interview with John DeCamp on The Franklin Case and Conspiracy of Silence child sex slave ring.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/comments/kd2j3/conspiracy_of_silence_banned_documentary_child/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP2Ok9fFOg0

People need to watch conspiracy of silence if they haven't.

I watched that a while ago, it's some messed up stuff. But if people are going to have a good grasp of what the elites are into (sexually) then I highly recommend watching it.

its more then sexuality...torture/rape/sodomy/murder/kidnapping/extortion/bribery...

That's a lot more then "what they are into sexually"

Yeah, good point. It's just having to type those words makes me want to skip lunch.

dude I feel you on that one. Makes me rage. Worse then that is that even with all the deaths, slander cases against john decamp and his clients(which he won 1.6 mill for his client in one case). If we could get the masses to watch one video I think it should be this. If they thought that every time a kid got kidnapped or went missing was attached to this. THE MASSES WOULD FLIP.

Tables would be tossed

Leave Alex alone. He is in front and is very forward about his relationships with other companies. Its an unfair criticizim of him to call him an insider. I think it might be fair to call his show infomercial instead of infowars.com

Is Alex Jones a deliberate fear monger? yes, but the Alex Jones show is catered to NEW LISTENERS that need a cold slap in the face and need to be broken from their television PROGRAMMING, Alex Jones says "for new listeners" or "for those of you new to the show" once every show because he's trying to reach new listeners to wake up not the vetted,know it all truther. if you've been a truther for years, you have no need to listen to his show, you're supposed to move on and learn different things, bash Alex Jones all you wan't but you can't say he hasn't woke someone up.

I didn't say he hadn't woken anyone up. It's just not very effective in actually getting anywhere with "the movement." He's been broadcasting for quite a while, yet his reporting shows not a single bit of evidence for this NWO conspiracy that has made one shred of difference in the fight. The order is moving further along its agenda faster than ever. Most of the people he does wake up, are out there screaming ranting and raving about every piece of information he puts out there, in an ignorant and accusatory fashion, which is actually what keeps us ostracized from what is considered acceptable by most people, hence undermining the movement from within. Doesn't really help.

I've been concluding that Jones is indeed more of an opportunist than a reasoning freedom fighter. A carny. I see that he and Rense are increasingly used as vehicles for disinfo, too. I read somewhere that godlikeproductions is a tool of the Tavistock Institute. Always be skeptical and measure twice before cutting once.

Also, a good way to damage all opposition is to set up gaudy sideshows that are obviously phony, and that pollutes the entire alternative media stream. So it's not inconceivable Jones is such.

Finally, how many of the ideologically-motivated left go around hawking things to make a profit? Henry Makow points out that Jeff Rense asks for donations to his site but owns a nice house in Oregon and a $30,000 Harley trike and other bikes. Anyone making comfortable bucks out of disseminating disinfo is suspect.

Alex Jones had turned into a complete disappointment. I enjoyed a couple of his early DVDs because of his smart use of local newscasts, particuarly in the case of the Oklahoma City bombing -- where the "official" narrative wasn't yet in place and actual facts were getting through.

Aside from that, Jones' "showmanship" has eclipsed whatever his work might have been about in the beginning.

OP is correct. I click the "hide" link on every infowars/prisonplanet link I see.

100% agree

Alex Jones is a show, that's why its called "the Alex Jones Show". There will always be an element of sensationalism associated with. Like other commenters stated, you never have to pay to view any of his documentaries. I check out his show before I go to any mainstream media, but just like acid, too much will make you crazy. I also agree, never bring up Alex when you're trying to wake someone else up, they'll shut down before you can finish the "s". There are better sources out there for spreading a message. However, AJ remains my once a week guilty pleasure. I call it Jones'n. 0_o

Naw, he's a good ally to have. He has a great platform and an unbelievable amount of content that he releases everyday for free. I appreciate what he does, even if he is over the top most of the time.

Please avoid capslock, see rules on the right.

I thought it was relevant since he was talking about the

BILLY MAYES OF CONSPIRACY!!1!

Alex Jones is the queen of verbal capslock

Haha yea I saw that after I posted it, sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-aCi4pFwu0&feature=related

I whole heartedly agree! [/r/conspiracy is an excellent source of information on current events, often preceding world news coverage. I have seen much of Alex Jones work, he muddies the waters of fact and sensationalism far too often.

I feel that he lacks credibility in his journalistic techniques in the same way as his US mass media counterparts. Sensationalism does not aid anybody.

I know exactly what you mean, I'm not a huge conspiracy theorist, but I have read quite a bit on different subjects, I've also listened to this guy on his radio show, can never really take him seriously.

IMHO, his purpose is to "condition" us. No one, not already working for TPTB, gets away with all that he has, and for like 20 years...

whatever you say, crypto jew illuminati scum!

I very pointedly do not click through or upvote anything from Prison Planet.

Alex Jones is the most prolific disinformation agent of the 21st century.

I also don't click or upvote anything from Prison Planet.

I also think Alex Jones is the most prolific disinfo agent out there.

Second only to Sorcha Faal.

I'm surprised AJ hasn't had a stoke on live tv

It's sort of funny in a way.

I often forget that some people still take him seriously.

Weather you believe him or not, he makes us look bad, and you can NOT convince me otherwise. He is now starting feuds in the truth community and making it look silly.

He yells. He pretends to cry for 5 minutes. He's like a bizzarro bill o'reilly, doing both sides of the phone interview if the person on the other side doesn't have any comments on his oddball theories. I don't have any comment on weather he is right or wrong, that's not the point. It's making us look bad, period. He is the reason nobody wants to listen to us talk about the corporate take over and strangling of this country. People like him

My point with the thread was to point out exactly what you said. We are on the same page.

But how else is he supposed to get traffic for the 87 ads on every page of his websites?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAwyPc7mWtY&feature=related

There are always two sides of a spectrum.

Those that can't help but talk, regardless of if there is anyone listening, or even if everything said really matters.

And then there are those that never speak, and never discuss, and you never hear about them.

I just don't like his voice. He regularly is more accurate than anybody on MSM though. I agree he is fear mongering, and I kind of wish he would pick his battles, but.... Have a downvote. He might be the best thing around right now, besides The Real News and Max Keiser.

http://www.spitfirelist.com

I didn't like what you have to say, have a downvote.

Really? The downvote button is for something that brings nothing to the conversation. Kind of like your comment.

I'll reshape that downvote you gave me into an upvote for you.

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You take it personally when someone disagrees

THAT IS NOT WHAT THE DOWNVOTE BUTTON IS FOR. That is all.

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I agree that my emotions can get the better of me.

But really that's exactly what he/she said.

My take on the comment:

I don't like his voice. He regularly is more accurate than msm though I don't care if he researches the things he quotes as facts. I agree that he is fear mongering, therefore giving your argument something that adds to the discussion, but have a downvote because he's somewhat more reliable than the MSM.

I know exactly how you feel buddy. I love Alex Jones. Just remember something. Americans would not have won the war of independence without help from the French, the Natives and Pierre LeFitte and his gang of pirates. It doesn't matter if you like him or not. He's fighting on your side, and he's brought more people to cause than all of the rest of us put together.

I just don't feel that he's actually helping anything real progress. After 20 years of his crap where are we?

he helped all those people he sold the Y2K survival kits to. those were hard times.

Key word there is sold. He makes money and he's happy to help.

there is a little bit of truth in what he says as it is with all things.

I remember seeing one of the advertisements he plays on his radio show on one of the big mainstream cable tv stations that he supposedly is "against". I thought that was odd.

On a side note, does anyone remember that documentary by Jay Weidner on the Kubrick film The Shining? Toward the end of the video he talks about a "Tang" drink. Now I've noticed Alex starting to promote some new drink on his show called "Tangy Tangerine". I thought this was odd too, but its probably just a coincidence.

Here it is, start at 8:10.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvMspUO-sA8

Alex is like many of us, aware of the corruption within the government and handling it in his own personal way. He may go overboard on some issues but that's because he's extremely passionate about what he's doing. Rather than just reading a ton, this guy made it his life's mission to be a part of the conflict. He's not a millionaire from this and is putting himself in considerable danger by talking about this stuff. Whether or not you agree with his approach, it's wrong to hate the man.

People need to lighten up and be more accepting of others and their approach to problems.

Who died and made you king of r/conspiracy? There's nothing wrong with posts about Alex Jones. He is part of the fight against the New World Order. If you disagree with him, then you can post your comments when his name comes up.

I'm not king of anything. But I get my input too.

I believe you and many others are victims of a conspiracy where the people who orchestrated it want people like you to believe there is some sort of conspiracy with world leaders and corporations trying to enslave us all like in 1984.

Globalization can have a positive side too,but the meaning and potential for debate is lost on people like that.

Less Prison Planet, more No Agenda

Nice try Mainstream Media utinsel.

lol ಠ_ಠ Look at my comment history, read my explanations for my "theory," look at the link in the selfpost text and actually watch the series, then please still tell me I am a MSM "utinsel."

It's easy to call me names without backing it up.

Alex is responsible for many of my friends and co-workers waking up to what is happening. Why not attack people on the other side of the fence, instead of picking for the same of picking. I read through enough of what you said to notice that you seem misinformed on a number of Alex's issues.

you seem misinformed on a number of Alex's issues.

Please expand.

I think you think I think AJ is on our side of the fence. I don't at all, I think he's on his own money loving side of the fence, which really puts him on their side of the fence. IMO.

I see your concern and do understand where you are coming from. However, I am trying to look at this from an objective point of view. When discussing conspiracy in the government and the ways to counter-act the elite, it would seem that Alex is doing a great job of shining light into dark corners. Is he doing it perfectly, no, but then again who does. Take for instance his infiltration of the Bohemian Grove. This alone, exposed many people to what're kind of crap our leaders are involved in.

That video didn't really show anything but a "frathouse get together," and it was easily explained away as such. And him getting in there with his bullshit story just didn't happen IMO.

I guess I would consider world leaders re-enacting ancient sacrificial ceremony a little more than a frat party, but thats my opinion.

I agree totally. But most people don't, because there isn't a real child in the basket (though in one of the videos AJ posted they do say at the end that the real sacrifice is later in the week). And listen to his explanation of how he got in. Alarms raised instantly.

Just. Didn't. Happen. At least how he describes it.

his show is the biggest of its kind out there; is it over the top? yes. Does he have the best guests who are the real mccoy? Yes. Is he a politician or public official? no. has he made awesome documentaries? yes. Is he a radio show host? yes.

so lets just say Alex Jones didnt exist- would this be better? can you say his show is not a contribution? Who would you rather see in its place?

CoIntelPro?

Thank you! I'm glad that I'm not the only one that doesn't buy into Alex Jones' peddling.

Wouldn't it be great if there was another word for conspiracy we could use that wouldn't attract all these profiteering bastards?

The word's definition could be something like "non-speculative and objective inquiry and study into the reasons, root or cause of political, social and economic (and others too) phenomenon."

I like Alex Jones, while known for being an alarmist, has good intentions and I usually take what he says as a grain of salt but I not dismiss everything he says and keep it in the back of my mind for when more popular news channels starts to get wind and I can see a bigger picture or how that story as been distored. He's not all bad.

Since I am a Truther, I listened to Alex Jones from 2002 to 2009. I started to listen to his show because he was the only one talking controlled demolition about the towers. For years, it was all about proving HOW the towers came down, what actually hit the Pentagon and the crash site in Shanksville, PA. It's pretty much understood the towers came down in a controlled demolition....but then the suject moved on to WHO actually commited 9/11 and he began his mantra of "9/11 was an inside job."... but that is where he stopped. And his suggestion is that it was all US Government which is a load of bullshit. Anbody that has actually researched 9/11 QUICKLY finds out that Israel played a huge role in the planning an execution of 9/11...Alex Jones will not talk about Israels part. He is a Zionist gate keeper for Israel that mixes the truth with outright bullshit and lies. He is there to confuse people, Not educate them.

Well said.

dude why not man who cares if hes a meat head

Conversely, upon citing sources other than CNN, foxnews, Bloomberg, wsj, or msnbc results in people accusing you of being either an Alex jones or Ron Paul follower. So you really can't win.

Please tell us what the approved outlets are. Thanks for watching out for us bro. You're so great.

Sorry that you took it that way.

Aww shut up! He's fun to listen on his rants.

You say that Alex Jones makes you look stupid, huh?

Maybe it's the all the NWO, Illuminati crap that you want to be real so as to be seen as fighters against the worst possible force imaginable.

There are real conspiracies. All this crap makes us all look like idiots. It's probably a good thing I don't frequent r/conspiracy.

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Maybe it's the all the NWO, Illuminati crap that you want to be real so as to be seen as fighters against the worst possible force imaginable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XPfeFG7_Og

Keep telling yourself that.

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As if I haven't seen all of that shit before.

And you still don't believe it?

That is a personal choice and nothing I say or show you will change it then. A lot of exaggeration goes out to the public about the NWO, mostly fueled by AJ. Hence my reason for this post. Did you watch the video at all? It's only news bits. No PrisonPlanet crap I promise.

No, really, I've seen it all.

However, I doubt logic would be of any use here so I'll say this. Even if there was indeed a NWO that wished to (essentially) enslave humanity, at the very least the only thing it would do is force people to realize that we are one species and that all that stuff we've been told about our differences is really meaningless.

Having the world unite like that and work towards the good of all people is what we need. We certainly aren't going to find the solutions through government, law, war, religion or any other established institution.

However, I doubt logic would be of any use here so I'll say this.

I love logic.

If you wanted to pull the world together under your thumb, and had the influence and power to do so, the last thing on your mind would be peoples awakening. Hence all the anti this and that playing out in the media every day. Hence the war on islam/terror, call it what you want we've almost or are about to have invaded every islamic nation in the name of corporate greed, and Israel.

And to think that that is the worst thing that could happen is akin to burying your head in the proverbial sand. Fascism is not cool.

Having the world unite like that and work towards the good of all people is what we need. We certainly aren't going to find the solutions through government, law, war, religion or any other established institution.

Absolutely. But using war and lies to bring about such a uniting is groundwork for disaster. For 99% of us.

I love logic.

If you actually knew how to use it, you would have never reached the conclusion that there is a secret society that wants to dominate the world.

But using war and lies

Obviously. I was just saying if that was the case. That's why I support this.

If you actually knew how to use it, you would have never reached the conclusion that there is a secret society that wants to dominate the world.

If you want to ignore that about every one of our presidents was or was related to top level freemasons. Once again that is your choice.

http://blog.thezeitgeistmovement.com/blog/da1inchpunch/ignorance-not-bliss

We are pretty much on the same page.

Have You seen this documentary? It's not exactly a new plan.

well, this is not the first time i post this, but i thought aj is irrelevant for years now, but thanks for the friendly remainder!

Alex Jones is classic fake opposition. What a gigantic tard. He won't even touch any of the 800 pound gorillas in the room.

I agree. Even Alex Fucking Jones will not touch the truth when it comes to WHO did 9/11...he makes up lies instead.

But who will warn us of the men with moustaches, if not Alex Jones?

"Alex Jones is classic fake opposition. What a gigantic tard. He won't even touch any of the 800 pound gorillas in the room."

I agree 100% with every single word of this

Thank you. Alex Jones is a zionist shill anyway.

i dont know why you were downvoted its true - here is a video of him saying he supports Israel "its their land"

I was driving really damn fast down a city street years ago, around 70 in a 35. Dude riding shotgun says this to me: "I don't want to distract you or anything man, I mean, it's your ticket, not mine, but uh, there's a cop over there." Fuck him. He's an asshole. What I needed at that time was "Cop! Cop! There's A Fuckin Cop!"

And if you had slammed on your brakes and been rear-ended?

Alex Jones IS helping. He just had a guest on yesterday that wrote a book about U.N. Agenda 21 and they had a discussion for an hour. How does that not help. It was very interesting and she gave specific examples how they are destroying hundreds of road in Sonoma County, California and effectively isolating property owners out there and destroying the value of their property. Seriously discussions like this reaching such a wide audience is a good thing. You are going to disregard Alex Jones completely because you disagree with his speaking style? He's one of the good guys, and arguably reaches the largest audience. In fighting is a strategy of the N.W.O., Alex Jones isn't going away, embrace it, figure out ways to help out.

I didn't say he hadn't woken anyone up. It's just not very effective in actually getting anywhere with "the movement." He's been broadcasting for quite a while, yet his reporting shows not a single bit of evidence for this NWO conspiracy that has made one shred of difference in the fight. The order is moving further along its agenda faster than ever. Most of the people he does wake up, are out there screaming ranting and raving about every piece of information he puts out there, in an ignorant and accusatory fashion, which is actually what keeps us ostracized from what is considered acceptable by most people, hence undermining the movement from within. Doesn't really help.

Thanks for the lies and personal attack, FFYR. Great to see how the mod still selectively tolerate this shit when it suits their purposes.

Not sure what lies you're speaking of. Please elaborate. It wasn't a personal attack, though it could be taken that way I guess. You were spamming multiple subs relentlessly with nothing but infowars, easy how someone could mistake that for you working for them, especially when you hurl insults and bad rhetoric with such negativity at anyone with a different opinion.

I sent you a message last night asking if you really wanted to learn something or if you are just a troll. Which is it?

Fight, read your submission and show me how it's not a slander attack. With such colorful ad hominems like "bullshit story," "incredible nonsense," "spreading fear," "puppet," and "gang bang," you lead me to the conclusion that you're only here to incite a flame war.

You were spamming multiple subs relentlessly with nothing but infowars

No, I was posting from several websites. You need to look a little closer, Fight. Your insults and barrages were nonstop, coupled with pathetically weak lies.

As for your false dichotomy, I don't need to choose either of your false choices. I am here to share information. If I learn something along the way, that's great, but I am primarily here to educate others.

You on the other hand, Fight, seem to be here to suppress others. You seem to be on a crusade against alternative opinion. I really wish that weren't the case, but the reality is there is a tightening grip of control on Redditors, and you are making the problem worse by your active suppression of the truth.

You're using words that you don't fully understand the meaning of. Those things were not an attack on you specifically, you were used as an example of the controlled awakening Alex Jones produces. I want to encourage free thought, not a moneymaking scheme looking to prey on the afraid, which no matter what you believe, had been proven throughout the comments of this post.

TL;DR Nothing personal.

You claim I am using words I don't understand, yet you yourself cannot read them. Interesting.

You're all full of chutzpah and hubris, but no substance, Fight. All you do is point fingers at a leader of the movement, yet you have no impetus to become one yourself. Those are, by no coincidence, the trademarks of a shill...

Who are you? GTFO!

Alex Jones does more good than harm. Compared to the mainstream media he is a saint. He HAS to fear monger, he's trying to wake people from a trance. Is he over dramatic? Sure. but things are essential as bad as he says they are. He refuses to talk bad about Israel usually, but I think people need to understand they are being boned FIRST before they understand who they are being boned by.

It's pretty unfair to pin the exaggerations about this story soley on Alex Jones. News outlets and pundits all over the country were flogging this story -- everyone from Bill O'Reilly to the The Huffington Post.

Your post says way more about your agenda than his.

I think your comment shows unintended wisdom. Lumping Alex Jones in with the msm is exactly my "agenda" because he doesn't encourage independent thought, just like them.

Well, considering how much Alex bashes the MSM, he spends an awful lot of time repeating and highlighting stories from it.

Anyway, you haven't made the case that he doesn't encourage independent thought. He constantly says, "check it out yourself" and "do your own research" etc.

Check it out for yourself, on my website, on my bog, on my forum!

Why are so many speaking out against him? I mean he could be less emotional and keep the religion off his show and maybe let his guests finnish their talk but whats wrong with alex jones? And can really we afford to discuss this while big steps are being taken towards global governance? I think he got his basic information right and that we need to overlook these small differences that there may be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uyIVzdvGi4

because of this

Oh my.. What a complaced asshole.. Well i guess he got paranoid over the years or something. That was rude behaviour and far from a normal manner.

Not that again. It's crazy that Wing TV did not come with something else since that to discredit him and for the purpose of character assassination.

Maybe. But I must take jones panic inducing rants at face value. He does a disservice invoking fear. And his credibility is shit. Some of what he has said is true but not all. The truth is scattered throughout the world amongst lies.

Why does there need to be something new if what's already out there works fine?

If he lets guests finnish their talk how can those who only speak English supposed to understand?

Has Alex Jones ever been right about anything he's claimed? I've only been reading his recent babbles, but honestly wondering if anyone here has ever witnessed a true story come to life, or a prediction.

He predicted 9/11 before it happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Hk1-BpXO8

This is very interesting because it was when his show really blew up. Makes you wonder if it wasn't planned as such.

I feel your post is full of hate. If someone makes all of us look stupid, that someone is all of us. Not one of us. All of us!

All of us make all of us look stupid.

You count AJ as one of us?

COINTELPRO

Edit: I originally missed your point, sorry. It isn't hate though. I'm tired of seeing this mans "empire" grow, feeding on the energy from seekers of truth. Like it or not there are only two ways to go about acting in life: Serving yourself, or serving everyone. Alex Jones serves himself. That makes him not one of me. And I don't hate him at all. But there is a difference between hating someone and warning others of their trap. I don't even think he believes half the things he says.

Thank you.

Seems like kind of a rant, so I didn't read it all, but gold coins have markup for mining, production, insurance, etc. Think of it as a load fee for a mutual fund. And, the advice to buy gold and silver in 2009, or anytime before that, seems like very good advice when compared with the dollar (or even the S&P).

So, they provided a service and good advice? Is that the point of the rant?

Rush Limbaugh has said in interviews that he says what he has to in order to get the most market value. He'll admit he's fully of shit and people still listen to him. It's scary.

I am thankful for both of those as well as his interview with John DeCamp on The Franklin Case and Conspiracy of Silence child sex slave ring.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/comments/kd2j3/conspiracy_of_silence_banned_documentary_child/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP2Ok9fFOg0

People need to watch conspiracy of silence if they haven't.

This man need more upvotes. Too bad I only have one to give.

he fact that he hasn't yet been found with two bullets in the back of his head and a suicide note pretty much sums up all the 'truth' you need to know about what this man is spewing.

Again, Devil's Advocate -

That, or the fact that he's the most well-known conspiracy theorist in the world today, and everyone (both haters and followers) are watching him like a hawk. Imagine if he was found dead, even if it looked like an accident, the first thought would be murder, and his followers would think "well, of course they killed him, and this only underlines everything he's been saying - he was killed b/c he was right."

His detractors/haters know this - so they let him live - so guys like you will say exactly what you just said, all the while trying to marginalize him more. Keeping him alive, they think, is benefiting them more than killing him.

Sure, his presentation is shit, sure he fucking flies off the handle all of the time, and he does sound like a ranting/raving lunatic - but presentation aside - tell me where he's wrong. I don't take anything he says at face value, but anytime I've bothered to research the rabbit hole of information he spouts - he's been right.

And, David Icke? Total different ballgame. That guy may be right on some things, but he's obviously a total kook on the lizard bullshit. That clearly has no basis.

So, if you're just criticizing him on his presentation, hey I'm with you. He's horrible. But, if you're saying he's intentionally lying - ok - I'm all ears/eyes - show me.

Hear hear!

You can add his claim that climate change is a hoax to the list. I've watched several of Jones's videos and while they start off compelling enough, there never fails to come that WTF moment where he makes some utterly ridiculous claim and thereafter loses any semblance of credibility IMHO.

its more then sexuality...torture/rape/sodomy/murder/kidnapping/extortion/bribery...

That's a lot more then "what they are into sexually"

He woke me up and many others.

i dont know why you were downvoted its true - here is a video of him saying he supports Israel "its their land"

You get it.

You may or may not like this documentary. Not directly related.

I saw it as something that needed to be addressed. A lot of information ended up posted in this thread. Success.

Oh, so... you didn't mean all that shit you said about "I shouldn't be a mod" and that I'm not constructively participating? Meanwhile, you're all on your high horse because you got an AJ circlejerk post to make it to this subreddit's frontpage? Yeah... well, I certainly meant what I said... Fuck you.

I'm not going to apologize for something I didn't say:

if your true intent in modding on r/conspiracy is to improve a forum dedicated to promoting truth, growth, and quality

Is what I said. Your opinion here didn't express any of these qualities.

As for the rest I'm glad that when you attained the power you sought, you acted appropriately with it. Shows a lot of character even if your original motives were less than pure.

I hope to still see you around here, mod or not.

Thanks, found a good Alex Jones documentary there - Truth Rising. Although the sites navigation is crap...none of the links are working to any content. You can do better than that, can't you?