Friend of mine is convinced the Afghan shootings are a conspiracy

27  2012-03-25 by [deleted]

My friend isn't a Redditor because he is suspicious of the internet. Anyway, I'm posting this here to see what ya'll think of his thoughts.

  1. SSgt. Robert Bales worked as a liaison to the surrounding communities. Part of his job was to gather intelligence from the locals.

  2. My friend contests that this "slaughter" was a planned Black Ops assault against terrorists and/or insurgent informants identified by SSgt. Bales.

  3. This assault, being conducted by a Black Ops unit, is consequently being completely denied by the US government despite reports confirming that there were up to 20 soldiers in the village during the massacre.

  4. SSgt. Bales is the cover story. The government will conclude after his trial that he is mentally incompetent to stand trial and will be held indefinitely by the government. At which point, SSgt. Bales will either be put in the Witness Protection Program and be given a new life or join a Black Ops unit.

  5. My friend suspects that SSgt. Bales may already be a Black Ops operator who was working covertly to undermine suspected terrorist activity.

  6. The government has now paid large amounts of money to the victims of this assault. My friend is insisting that this is proof of a cover-up and that the money comes with the stipulation of shutting up about what happened for good.

I'm curious. Does this even sound remotely possible?

21 comments

In #3 (notice my emphasis)...

This assault, being conducted by a Black Ops unit, is consequently being completely denied by the US government despite reports confirming that there were up to 20 soldiers in the village during the massacre.

There's nothing suspicious about this. It happens all the time. In fact, it's standard operating procedure for "black ops" activities. It's not always easy to tell if they want you to know about it or not. Take, for example, "killing bin Laden" - they wanted you to know that, so the "black ops"/"special forces" aspect was headline grabbing. In situations like this, acknowledgment/denial may or may not be relevant, depending on how it unfolds and what precisely is being acknowledged/denied.

tl;dr: #3 is a weak argument. Other than that, my only other comment is: If, at this point, you don't instinctively distrust the government (especially the US government) at least a little, then you really aren't paying attention, now, are you?

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Tell your friend the internet can be your friend or your enemy depending upon how it is used. It is foolish to think you are impervious to attacks or monitoring on the internet, but also foolish to not utilize it as best as possible.

There is no free press in America. If you have not been threatened with death or lost family members, you can rest assured that you are comfortably removed from an ability to accurately describe reality.

There are plenty of retards who never concern themselves with reality. Probably 20-25% of the population. Another 10% or so see the game as rigged (Ron Paul supporters, etc.) but still buy into the idea of a free press through cointelpro operations like Alex Jones. The large majority keep their heads down because everything is monitored.

Along the lines of this particular thread though, a friend of mine was special ops back in the 90s. His unit found Kony on multiple occasions and was given stand down orders. In other words, Kony was a western agent. Now he is the pretext for invasion of Africa and the seizure of Chinese/Russian assets there in preparation for thermonuclear WW3 to head off a population which is awakening to its masonic masters.

History suggests something like this is likely.

It's infuriating we won't know the truth about these events until decades have passed, if ever.

Also, Bales joined the Army to avoid a prison sentence for fraud and the $1.5 million he owed.

Sauce on this?

It's a story I'd believe.

Karzai claimed the same as your friend, and he's a top politician over there. It's got to be somewhat possible.

I think 4 is right on. Remember Mai Lai and Lt Calley, he was fully pardoned. I don't see that happening here, just an idea for some historical Perspective.

Your friend seems to know quite a bit for not being on the internet. Fishy

He killed mostly women and children.... why would Black Ops target them? Why wouldn't they use a drone?

Exactly. Plus, what a PR nightmare this has been for US forces in Afghanistan. It doesn't make sense to perpetrate a massacre to kill a few "informants". They would've just used a drone and claimed collateral damage.

Weren't several of the victims children? how could they be "insurgent informants"

So the women and babies were insurgents? Your friend is a whack job. Bales is a genocidal murderer.

I agree wholeheartedly with your friends logic. I believe the monies were bribes to keep their mouths shut because none of the other investigations done by other countries has come to the same conclusions as the US has. Everybody else says, black ops, not a lone gunman

point 2. should probably not read "contests". Insists would maybe be a better choice.

1) Fair Play

2) Conjecture. There would be many better ways to do it that this elaborate scheme.

3) Rests on #2 being true. reports of 'maybe more than one assailant' aren't the same as 'confirmed reports of up to 20' - I'd be interested to know where your friend who doesn't go on the internet got this figure from, or was it pulled out of his arse?

4) Conjecture - they've already released his name and could've kept it quiet / private from the start if they wanted to.

5) Conjecture

6) Is nothing out of the ordinary, foreign citizens and their families are compensated for any loss (the article I read the other day stated there are guidelines for the amounts)

How does your friend who isn't on the net come up with all of this? or is he one of the people who fits the situation to their conclusion?

I think it could have been a conspiracy, but more of a political reason to end the war in a way that we don't have to admit that these people hate us. This way, it's because the trauma it's causing our soldiers is directly harming them.

Extremely unlikely. Weigh the cost to USG in money, goodwill, and prestige against the supposed benefit of 20 dead afghan insurgents. Following on the heels of korans burnt, and urinating on corpses, it is almost unimaginable that this would have come from above... I don't see smoke here... Especially when the stress and trauma, pstd, make a much more believable modus operandi. Another post mentions this sergeant was deeply indebted before joining the army (unconfirmed) circumstantially points to a weak character in the accused... My two cents. I don't have sources, I'm not going to argue with anyone, draw your own conclusions etc.