An Army friend of mine told me something about their job that they weren't supposed to. Heads up R/Conspiracy.
103 2012-04-01 by [deleted]
They are working in "terrorist intelligence" which is pretty much spying for key words on the internet, and listening to phone calls. What I wasn't supposed to know is that these "terrorist intelligence" programs specifically spy on social networking sites. They told me they, and their team create false profiles, and even update fabricated information to see who runs to correct them, or who seems to have more info than they should. I asked if which social networking sites were targeted and I got the "That's classified". I asked about www.reddit.com and I got a smile. I'm sure you've already suspected this, but I am confirming it. When I asked what happens to people that have been flagged their response was "Their information gets collected into a large data base.". That was that.
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53 hassani1387 2012-04-01
This is known as "Operation Earnest Voice" http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks
22 Tikchbila 2012-04-01
FLAGGED.
5 atm0sphere 2012-04-01
you aren't supposed to know he's flagged.
flags
doesn't even look like a real word anymore.
1 Scuttlebutt91 2012-04-01
Fuck it, I am flagging all of you. And myself. Just to be sure.
1 Politikr 2012-04-01
Take off and flag it from orbit, THAT is the only way to be sure.
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0 Politikr 2012-04-01
Vhermp, Vhermp, Vhermp...'where do you want it?'
45 [deleted] 2012-04-01
It boggles my fucking mind that someone would actually volunteer to spy on innocent people and assist in their detainment.
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12 permanomad 2012-04-01
Absolute scum, these lowest of the low, truly unworthy of belonging to humanity, crawling, miserable, wretched, fevered little filth with no purpose for existence other than the monitoring and subjugation of others. There must be something truly wrong with a person who behaves in this way; something foul must exist in the core of their being, whether they understand it or not. Like maggots feeding on the corpse of freedom, breeding and hatching into pestilent little flies that buzz around with compound CCTV eyes.
You were made for such better and more loving things than this.
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1 Bbaily 2012-04-01
It's scary to think that there are actually people in the military that think the constitution means nothing.
-1 permanomad 2012-04-01
You could be right. But for every reaction there exists an equal and opposite reaction, so if there are loving and nurturing people who want to help humanity reach a higher level of consciousness and awareness - there also exist somewhere people who embody the polar opposite. Its them I addressed. They have my pity more than my hatred. If I am to relax then I must acknowledge that they are a part of nature and life, but that leaves me with a conundrum: to accept what they're doing to other humans. This is the hard part.
0 TheSelfGoverned 2012-04-01
Have you seen their pay and benefits package? Incredible!
1 fAntom3188 2012-04-01
lol, trust me on this one, the pay is terrible. the benefits are great, but they're only good for military hospitals
-1 Uraeus 2012-04-01
It's because the drive and passion of their own lives has dissipated. Siphoned by the capitalistic machine that devours communities and morals. I see it all the time, people with nothing to do in their life so they gossip about other people's lives. They lack their own will and must parasitically bind their attention/focus on what you're doing because their life has lost meaning.
5 UnashamedPacifist 2012-04-01
Or they're sociopathic scum.
-3 Deacon 2012-04-01
I vote for your interpretation.
4 kahirsch 2012-04-01
Huh? Who said anything about detaining innocent people?
-5 TheSelfGoverned 2012-04-01
It is an inevitability in these kinds of matters.
20 dieselphiend 2012-04-01
Thanks man.
Nice to have a bit of confirmation, I think we all knew it...
A lot of the personalities I've come across on this subreddit have fit the bill perfectly. People whom seem obsessed to an unhealthy degree with smearing this community. I don't think it matters how much resources they pour into smearing alternative media, they are losing the war of information, as they could never, ever, compete with the billions of rational, loving, compassionate, human minds on the internet. And while it may be hard to see the love these days, it's still there, in the heart of man, and it can never be extinguished. It just takes a bit more to bring it out of people these days, but, I have faith, that when things are as bad as they can get, people are as good as they get.
We are inherently good, and ready to defend one another...
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20 Book8 2012-04-01
Funny, when I was growing up, the media always made a big deal out of the Russian Government spying on it's own people. That was a major distinction between our freedom in the US and their lack. Now spying on their own citizens is commonplace for the American Government. I really wonder where this is all heading?
-1 [deleted] 2012-04-01
Well, actually, the Russians won. We just weren't informed.
1 Book8 2012-04-01
AMEN.
1 [deleted] 2012-04-01
Surprised that I got downvoted for that comment in this subreddit. It's a valid conspiracy theory... Check out this episode of Stuff They Don't Want You to Know (a really fun video podcast worth following).
-1 Politikr 2012-04-01
Your subconscious is very eloquent and subtle, some call it your inner voice, other call it intuition. Whatever we label this as, it happens in an instant, and most of us never listen to it. I propose that our subconscious makes that determination instantly, and we just ignore it. Discuss.
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0 pickengrin 2012-04-01
Them who call themselves they Edit: nice username
0 BobScratchit 2012-04-01
NERDS!
10 mvlazysusan 2012-04-01
Reddit is expressly complicit in this.
Take a look at this user: http://www.reddit.com/user/TheGhostOfNoLibs
17400 link karma in 90 days? (Give me a break)
It's been 16 days since he has posted something not about Ron Paul?
1 TheGhostOfNoLibs 2012-04-01
You're a nut kid. Any post about the Republicans may contain a reference to Paul. But they are not all about Paul. Submissions about Gold are not about Paul. In short, the whole world is not about Paul.
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/r5odk/five_reasons_for_romney_to_be_cheerful/
0 those_draculas 2012-04-01
correction: the whole world is about Paul. You're just too sheepled to see the Truth.
-1 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
That's funny coming from a guy who made a subreddit about Paul and posts only about Paul himself.ಠ_ಠ
6 douchebag_investor 2012-04-01
Change your usernames often.
Do not visit the same reddit submission from multiple usernames.
Request your FBI profile under the Freedom of Information Act.
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1 wearetheromanz 2012-04-01
Not necessarily. Some countries require for you (if a US citizen) to turn over your fbi records in order to apply for a citizenship.
-2 [deleted] 2012-04-01
Yeah, when they realize you're not the flag goes up like a giant government erection.
5 Deacon 2012-04-01
I have classified information on the Dyson vacuum cleaner.
5 Moose_And_Squirrel 2012-04-01
Nonsense. In order to monitor on this scale, they'd need a new and Colossus data center like the..... one...... being........ built...... outside...... Salt Lake........oh.
4 [deleted] 2012-04-01
They do more than that.
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5 bumblingmumbling 2012-04-01
Hi Ho, hi ho, its off to the FEMA Reeducation Camp we go!
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-3 dieselphiend 2012-04-01
I make prisons more lively with shanks, drugs, and illegal pizza ovens...
edit: sorry, bad joke.
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6 [deleted] 2012-04-01
It's not new.
It was fully deployed on reddit during aftermath of the wikileaks release of those videos of that photographer's death. That first two weeks or so, all of the threads on this topic were crawling with "proud American servicemen defending everybody from child-eating Islamic terrorists" and shit.
And the US government isn't the only one doing it. Israel's made the news on this topic, as well.
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-1 atomicauto 2012-04-01
So True. When your enemies tell you you're wrong, that's normal. When your own people tell you you're wrong, It's time to change your ways.
3 scramtek 2012-04-01
Thanks for sharing this, but it's not a revelation. This is pretty much common knowledge.
2 Sealbhach 2012-04-01
All paid for with your tax dollars - or more likely just added to the national debt.
4 Politikr 2012-04-01
So, your grand kids tax dollars will begin paying off interest on the money that was used to spy on you. Neat.
0 TheSelfGoverned 2012-04-01
You got a problem with that, terrorist?
0 Politikr 2012-04-01
Exactly.
2 pork2001 2012-04-01
I for one salute these brave military workers and think they're doing a fine job. God bless America! We cannot keep liberty safe without breaking a few eggs! If you have nothing to hide, then you should not fear being watched!
--- running off to blow chunks.
2 iateyourcake 2012-04-01
Well we should all be good and do what the motherland wants us to do, drink the cool aid, vote repbulicrat and by no means should we ever say anything bad about our supreme leaders who know all... I...I... Can't do it any more with out laughing... But I'm really crying on the inside.
2 those_draculas 2012-04-01
Wouldn't spying on reddit, as a US based company, specifically be DHS or FBI territory? Like demostic survallience has specifically been laid out in NDAAs since 9/11 as being the responsibility and under the authority of the FBI.
I think your friend was messing with you.
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1 those_draculas 2012-04-01
so what do they do with this intelligence, stare at it? Unless you're looking at "subversive" websites from an IP in yemen, no channels exists for the Army to act against you on US soil, you'd be free as soon as someone tells the DoJ you're missing, if there is one thing you should know about federal baeurocracy is that they don't like having their toes stepped on (=less funding next FY).
I'm not saying this doesn't happen under the FBI or DHS (it does, usually on obvious targets) but the narrative you're painting doesn't make much sense.
2 Sevsquad 2012-04-01
Can you provide any proof at all for any of the things you just said?
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1 Sevsquad 2012-04-01
Then Why should I believe you? Like, honestly, if all reason in based on evidence, and the only evidence presented to me is unconfirmable, why should I believe you?
1 jayski01930 2012-04-01
April fools?
2 Dwarf_Vader 2012-04-01
If only!
1 dopp3lganger 2012-04-01
Nice try, "terrorist intelligence" specialist.
1 drmatt001 2012-04-01
Barrack Obama is going to be murdered. Anyone want a W.M.D.? I've got a few spare.
Now I wait.
1 follyoftruth 2012-04-01
Side note:
They do this in online games as well... particularly ones with heavy userbases or built in voip systems.
Don't ask.
4 flyingtyrannosaurus 2012-04-01
I can also attest that this is true, but don't voluntarily give up your voice for fear of surveillance! Speak out when you want about what you want, and say what you mean. Don't make references to violence, and stick to the facts as much as you can. Most of all, if you find out that they're spying on you... Laugh in their face and do your best to explain to them just how silly and pointless their job is.
Eventually there is a person watching. It's not always automated sock puppet bots. When you do encounter the person, their job is to figure out whether your dangerous and move on to the next subject as quickly as possible. Don't be overly hostile, but please do mention the bill of rights and ask which laws you have broken. They're evasive, don't expect them to answer any of your questions.
They'll eventually draw back a little bit and let you "alone". I had a stint where I was being investigated for merely emailing the whitehouse and speaking frankly about the disastrous war, privacy and trade policies these fools are clinging to. I gave them my full name, telephone number, address, where I work, email... They opted for the surveillance, instead of replying to my pleas and insults (I was an asshole about it, but I never hinted at violence).
So yes, free speech can apparently cost you your 4th amendment under the PATRIOT Act. (that's my best guess at what happened, anyway). I knew that I was being watched for months before the confrontation with the agent, whoever he was, happened.
They aren't sneaky about it at all. They try a more blunt intimidation-style approach. Unmarked cars passing by your house while your smoking on the front porch.... They slow down to a crawl in front of your house, then slam on the gas when they get past. Hah!
A pair of agents always parked down the street... Not hidden in any way. Staring right at you. Many times they'll get out of the car and go get something from the trunk if you stare back at them for too long... Then they get back in the car. They're not going anywhere! (I just look up at the sky and smile, then look back at them and smile)
Multiple people walking up to you out of seemingly nowhere, asking if you want to buy illegal drugs, or hook up with a prostitute. This had never happened to me in my life until I said what I wanted to say to the whitehouse, now, I've got this shit coming out of the woodwork! (haha!)
The problem is that I don't know the severity of the damage they can do in my life. Nobody does. I said my piece, emailing the whitehouse several times per week for nearly 5 months. I tore apart every policy which I view as a detriment to the wellbeing of humanity. Everything from him caving to the Military Industrial Complex and launching a full-scale occupation of Afghanistan, to allowing children in Indonesia to assemble our shoes for less less than $2.00/day.
My argument was that he should launch an offensive against these senseless wars and hold the corporations who are enslaving and extorting the rest of the world, and outsourcing our jobs ACCOUNTABLE!
Nope. You get spied on.
Hopefully I can still fly? I'm hoping to go see my dad this summer. We'll find out.
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0 follyoftruth 2012-04-01
I wouldn't doubt it, but what I am talking about is classic HUMINT collection done through non-traditional means. Think more along the lines of FBI setups.
0 retrobuddha 2012-04-01
R/trees has them too, I think they are everywhere in reddit
4 iamnotallthatbad 2012-04-01
Yes, THEY ARE EVERYWHERE.
...no, seriously, they are.
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1 atm0sphere 2012-04-01
getting paid to browse /r/trees all day doesn't sound too bad though does it?
0 [deleted] 2012-04-01
yeah, makes you wonder what they are so worried about huh?
some kids posting on reddit pose a national security threat? you'd have to be doing something really heinous to justify monitoring 14 year olds.
0 aschesklave 2012-04-01
I thought this was already common knowledge?
0 EmpressSharyl 2012-04-01
This is nothing new. It's been going on for years. They run programs that collect info regarding certain words typed or said over the phone, and record the entire conversation or thread.
This technology has been around since the 90's, folks.
0 fnordcircle 2012-04-01
This thread is just me and like 80 terrorist intelligence analysts posting in it, isn't it?
0 [deleted] 2012-04-01
so the army knows i hate other people and i have a problem with authority--they knew that back in the 80's when i was in there
0 Malizulu 2012-04-01
I got put on r/panichistory for talking about this exactly.
-1 Mashflob 2012-04-01
Protip: don't post to Internet that you know classified information that the government is monitoring the Internet
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-3 elk_grove 2012-04-01
Spines are what separate men from tools.
-1 dirufa 2012-04-01
Awkward, isn't it?
-1 californiarepublik 2012-04-01
what a surprise
-1 Eurotrashie 2012-04-01
Freedom = Slavery
-1 Kilaya 2012-04-01
FLAG ALL THE PEOPLE!!!!!!111!
-1 [deleted] 2012-04-01
The game is life.
-1 lightg1138 2012-04-01
I'd be flattered if I got put into a database for knowing something I wasn't supposed to. I'm sure I've had a few entries put in there
-2 riotingchimps 2012-04-01
i would expect this at the minimum
-2 Bigman92 2012-04-01
oh shot you caught they catch on. JK
-2 Monkeypump 2012-04-01
Sounds like a boring job just putting probably hundreds of people daily into a database. While the tax payer's pay for all this the security companies are making a killing off our info.
-3 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
/r/nolibswatch
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-4 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
Oh, sorry then. I guess I took this too to seriously since I got tricked a few times already. Well I'm glad you responded so people will know that this isn't a joke.
0 elk_grove 2012-04-01
Do you just stalk JCM et al around reddit, is it a coincidence that you are always posting in their comment threads; I don't trust you at all, friend.
-3 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
Always? Do you have proof of this or are you just talking out of your ass again friend.
P.S. I tend to spend most of my time posting news in my subreddit than anything else.
1 elk_grove 2012-04-01
Are you implying you do not comment in reply to JCM, facehammer, etc. quite frequently?
-1 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
HAH!
Not really...I use to get messages from them constantly but they stopped after an admin started paying attention to me. They do however harass other users like krugmanisapuppet calling him "dusty". Even though the original "dusty" stopped using reddit a long time ago. :(
0 elk_grove 2012-04-01
Can you see why I'm suspicious? I'm not attacking you, just voicing a concern in a relevant thread.
0 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
If you even did your research on JCM then you would know that he has a history of trolling people. Ive also looked into the guys name which has citations from social media books which means he makes money off of doing this. I even asked him myself how he got such a job and he told me through a University Job Fair. He deleted the comment quickly after posting it...
4 elk_grove 2012-04-01
I have done my research. I have seen you be antagonized by him, and his...what would you call them? I know of the subreddit created in your honor, or dishonor, if you will. I also have seen them accuse other people of being you. It doesn't diminish my suspicions much.
0 crackduck 2012-04-01
Info on jcm267 and the Nolibs Crew: /r/NolibsWatch
-1 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
6 day old account and defending jcm....Hmmm. You think it's another sockpuppet?
1 crackduck 2012-04-01
Hmm, seeing a lot of new accounts recently. This user seems legit though.
-1 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
I guess you're right. I already did a background check and this guy seems legit.
0 TI-994A 2012-04-01
Jesus Christ, you guys sound like stalkers.
1 Herkimer 2012-04-01
They are stalkers and they are participants in a witch hunt that has been on-going for years. This, for the most part, is politically motivated. They are Ron Paul supporters and everyone on their "shill" list is opposed to Ron Paul. That's really what this is all about.
-1 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
So, pointing out peoples bullshit makes you stalkers somehow? gtfo troll.
2 TI-994A 2012-04-01
I prefer the term "Mossad special agent", actually.
-1 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
I prefer the term "fuck off troll" actually.
6 TI-994A 2012-04-01
Ooh, the FOT department is actually run by the NSA. Sorry!
-2 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
Hmm, I guess people like you lack the intelligence to debate smart individuals like myself. So, you like to "troll" others to make yourself feel better and enjoy the attention. So, tell us TI-994A, were you ignored a lot by your parents? Is this why you seek attention in reddit? :(
2 TI-994A 2012-04-01
I actually killed my own parents after they learned too much about what goes on in my job.
-1 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
Nah, I think you did it because your parents ignored you all the time. I feel sorry for you now.
2 TI-994A 2012-04-01
Pff, you should know that we have our emotions surgically removed after joining.
-1 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
Liar. If this is true then you would already know that JCM makes money off of trolling people.
The fuck are you talking about?
Good. That just proves how mentally incapable these people are at having a rational discussion.
3 elk_grove 2012-04-01
The subreddit in question is owned by JCM, but I forget it's actual spelling and don't feel like wading into the cesspool of his comments to dig it up. There is a cow, a cartoon cow, black&white. That's was it's most remarkable feature and all that I remember.
I'm not sure how realizing the monetary aspects of JCM's activity equates to this conversation. I asked a simple question, all I wanted to know was how you end up in conversation with these people, or become the topic of theirs without your presence. You have nothing to prove, I'm just wondering.
-1 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
Are you really that naive on how people make money off of social media sites?
Because they fear people like me.
3 elk_grove 2012-04-01
I'm not sure why you keep pushing this part of the discussion. It is interesting, and perhaps other people would like to know about it. I haven't brought it up, and keep ignoring it when you do. This isn't what I was asking about.
-1 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
If this wasn't what you were talking about then why did you say this?
???
I already answered your simple question and you sided with these people even after you "did your research" on them. Seems like baloney if you ask me.
3 elk_grove 2012-04-01
Is english your second language?
-1 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
Were you born retarded or dropped as a baby?
If so then I forgive you for all the retarded shit I just read.
-3 wizzlabitters 2012-04-01
snitches get stitches
0 elk_grove 2012-04-01
terrifying.
-4 bumblingmumbling 2012-04-01
Does he know about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zAgMZkOE12Q
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1 [deleted] 2012-04-01
Well that would make sense given that it is the Air Force that conducts most of these psyops..
0 sincery 2012-04-01
My only question would be "why the Army?"
r4ygun is right in that it seems an odd branch of national defence to use, but at the same time I've got to question his "the Army are incompetent goofs" rhetoric. Sure, your average Government library may be outdated, but if you seriously believe that the defence industry is struggling for technology, I doubt you know as much as you're saying you do.
0 paulmasoner 2012-04-01
because the air force has an entire Command dedicated to cyberwarfare - Cyber Command. it's right up there with USAFE, PACAF, or any other.
-1 sincery 2012-04-01
It's really annoying when this happens, but he responded to my comment with:
"I did not mean that they are incompetent, but let's be honest, the Army is by and large populated with grunts (by design). They exist mostly for their ground assault value, not intelligence services. If someone told me that one of our actual intelligence agencies, I would find this more plausible."
I don't know who deleted the comments by him, so it makes sense to paste what I have for completion
2 r4ygun 2012-04-01
I deleted them. My comments were getting downvoted to negative numbers for no apparent reason other than me using logic and my past experience in the military to have a conversation. A friend and I had a laugh when I told him "don't ever refute a conspiracy in r/conspiracy. You will get downvoted no matter how much sense you make."
0 illiterati 2012-04-01
Why do you care about negative downvotes? Are you banking your karma for a rainy day?
-1 dirufa 2012-04-01
Awkward, isn't it?
-1 CowzGoezMoo 2012-04-01
I guess you're right. I already did a background check and this guy seems legit.
-1 [deleted] 2012-04-01
Well, actually, the Russians won. We just weren't informed.
-1 Politikr 2012-04-01
Your subconscious is very eloquent and subtle, some call it your inner voice, other call it intuition. Whatever we label this as, it happens in an instant, and most of us never listen to it. I propose that our subconscious makes that determination instantly, and we just ignore it. Discuss.
6 TI-994A 2012-04-01
Ooh, the FOT department is actually run by the NSA. Sorry!