If there's sex in it, there is going to be someone trying to ban it from schools or libraries. And the people trying to ban them will most likely have never read them.
"Brave new world" is more describing of the current world. "1984" is the book of choice for the average 12-year-old barely literal r/conspiracy subscriber that has ANONYMOUS THE LEGUAN wallpaper on his iMac.
I've just read about 1200 pages of European history 1600-1800 for a exam within one month. You're just mad coz I'm correct about redditors and styling on you.
I would say that they are NOT opposites. Orwell is exposing how horrible it would be to live in a completely surveiled society while trying to not compromise your humanity. The Fountainhead is about NOT COMPROMISING yourself to mediocrity. I think people aren't looking deep enough into some of these works and just reading at a surface level. I guess that is why they give you those books to read in high school so that you never read them again and really try to interpret what they actually mean
edit: If you think Orwell and Rand are pushing opposite dogma's you should read Anthem by Ayn Rand, it is very very similar to 1984 in subject matter and in moral.
shades of grey, by jasper fforde. Published by penguin. It's pretty comical and dry in the dystopian society it portrays. Talks about societal roles, main character being a proletariat with possibility.
Yes. One current example of Orwellian language is the widespread use of the term "drug abuse", which term not only encompasses actual, significant harm to persons, but any use of a prescribed drug in an unprescribed manner (even sans harm), as well as any use of an illicit drug (even sans harm). The use of such a term, intended to inspire horror, (much like "child abuse" inspires horror, as an example) unfairly demonizes all illicit drug use (which use often causes no actual, significant harm) by conflating it with behaviors which are truly, demonstrably harmful. I suggest the expression "self-harm via drugs" be used when speaking of the truly detrimental types of drug use, as a more transparent term, and also a more accurate one. As far as the other sorts of behaviors currently included within the rubric of the term "drug abuse", the illicit ones, ought to be retermed "unauthorized drug use". Lastly, the term "drug abuse" is a comedic term, when taken literally, something akin to mixing one's single batch, microbrew ale with Fanta.
i read it in college for a class and i actually read it all, out of all the books i was told to read throughout school i only really read maybe 5. this book is great
I have, and watched the movie. Other favorites were "A Brave New World" and "Fahrenheit 451" movies: Dune, V is for Vandetta, Apocalypse Now (there is a common theme if you are paying attention).
If there's sex in it, there is going to be someone trying to ban it from schools or libraries. And the people trying to ban them will most likely have never read them.
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12 producerism 2012-05-16
Mandatory reading in my 8th grade english class, and have read it a few times since then too. Now I hear it's banned in quite a few schools...
1 ME24601 2012-05-16
If there's sex in it, there is going to be someone trying to ban it from schools or libraries. And the people trying to ban them will most likely have never read them.
-5 [deleted] 2012-05-16
meh that would be america for you though NOT the uk
flag burning and calling people cunts is perfectly fine where I am and there is no constitution explicitly stating it either
but then we dont have extrems like the USA
11 dccable 2012-05-16
and a brave new world and fahrenheit 451 and Ender's Game and Dune.
1 fauvenoire 2012-05-16
Up vote for Dune. Time to go see of there's a Frank Herbert Subreddit.
1 ebonhand1 2012-05-16
Upvote for the whole Ender's Saga. I'm in the middle of Xenocide at the moment and it is amazing.
8 anglin_az 2012-05-16
Here.
6 [deleted] 2012-05-16
I've read it quite a few times. It's on my bookshelf right now.
5 [deleted] 2012-05-16
I has. And the Shape of Things to Come. Have not gotten to Huxley yet though. Currently reading Lila.
3 [deleted] 2012-05-16
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-6 jiz899 2012-05-16
"Brave new world" is more describing of the current world. "1984" is the book of choice for the average 12-year-old barely literal r/conspiracy subscriber that has ANONYMOUS THE LEGUAN wallpaper on his iMac.
1 [deleted] 2012-05-16
I seriously doubt you have read it. Or anything actually.
3 ianpauli 2012-05-16
I guess he's the "average 12-year-old barely literal r/conspiracy subscriber"
lol
0 jiz899 2012-05-16
Well, having 11-year-olds isn't a completely impossible thought, either.
-2 jiz899 2012-05-16
I've just read about 1200 pages of European history 1600-1800 for a exam within one month. You're just mad coz I'm correct about redditors and styling on you.
1 jakenichols 2012-05-16
Judging by how you spell, I would say you are barely LITERATE I don't care if you have skimmed over 1200 pages.
0 jiz899 2012-05-16
Dot comes after LITERATE, nb.
1 jakenichols 2012-05-16
Takes one to know one I guess.
-1 jiz899 2012-05-16
Comma follows "one".
5 Tanooki003 2012-05-16
read that years ago, watched the movie shortly after. still makes me worry to this day.
5 VanillaPudding 2012-05-16
Several times. I recommend it.
5 [deleted] 2012-05-16
It was required reading when I was in high school more than 2 decades ago.
2 [deleted] 2012-05-16
Same here, as was The Fountainhead. Funny things is, the two book are completely contradictory, nice job teachers.
3 jiz899 2012-05-16
What do you mean by that? At least over here teacher's responisibility is to equip pupils with broad worldview instead of pushing dogmas.
2 [deleted] 2012-05-16
Rand's Classical Liberalism was opposed to Orwell's democratic socialism, bottom line.
They are both pushing dogmas, that's kind of the point I was making.
1 tamedLion 2012-05-16
pushing opposite dogmas
1 jakenichols 2012-05-16
I would say that they are NOT opposites. Orwell is exposing how horrible it would be to live in a completely surveiled society while trying to not compromise your humanity. The Fountainhead is about NOT COMPROMISING yourself to mediocrity. I think people aren't looking deep enough into some of these works and just reading at a surface level. I guess that is why they give you those books to read in high school so that you never read them again and really try to interpret what they actually mean
edit: If you think Orwell and Rand are pushing opposite dogma's you should read Anthem by Ayn Rand, it is very very similar to 1984 in subject matter and in moral.
1 Mahat 2012-05-16
shades of grey, by jasper fforde. Published by penguin. It's pretty comical and dry in the dystopian society it portrays. Talks about societal roles, main character being a proletariat with possibility.
1984 meets christopher moore / douglas adams.
4 rbcrusaders 2012-05-16
If there is any chance, its in the proles.
1 frostek 2012-05-16
Unfortunately, /r/conspiracy calls them "sheeple".
4 rbcrusaders 2012-05-16
as they were in the book
4 Blahbl4hblah 2012-05-16
Actually had to sneak it and read it at night because I wasn't allowed to read it.
I think it's a fantastic book. Maybe my favorite of the major 20th century titles.
"Look, I hate purity. Hate goodness. I don't want virtue to exist anywhere. I want everyone corrupt." -- I love that line.
I guess I forgot where I was all of a sudden. FLOURIDE FLOURIDE FLOURIDE FALSE FLAG FALSE FLAG etc.
3 tttt0tttt 2012-05-16
I've read the book several times, listened to an audio version, and seen several different movies based on the book.
3 xxtruthxx 2012-05-16
One of my favorite lines:
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."
3 [deleted] 2012-05-16
Well, if you haven't it's online.
http://www.george-orwell.org/1984/index.html
3 Necronomiconomics 2012-05-16
Listen on MP3. Read by Mike Malloy.
http://server4.whiterosesociety.org/content/malloy/1984/
3 archonemis 2012-05-16
Level ONE: 1984, Brave New World, Animal Farm
Level TWO: Morals and Dogma, Tragedy and Hope, Secrets of the Federal Reserve, Behold a Pale Horse
Level THREE: 48 Laws of Power, The Prince, On Bullshit, The Art of War [Sam B. Griffin]
Level FOUR: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance / Lila, Walden, Die Fröhliche Wissenschaft
Level FIVE: Tao Te Ching, Upanishads, Man and His Symbols, Primitive Mythology [J. Campbell]
Level SIX: [inward gaze]
Level SEVEN: ???
2 BadgerGecko 2012-05-16
Good question, I have Love it. But it is scary
2 purplekoala 2012-05-16
Thrice
1 xxtruthxx 2012-05-16
Same.
2 [deleted] 2012-05-16
Based on many redditors comments on the book?
I'd say 1%.
2 termites2 2012-05-16
Yes, a couple of times.
The idea of controlling thought by controlling the language is quite prominent in the novel, but rarely comes up when comparing '1984' to modern life.
2 Kirkayak 2012-05-16
Yes. One current example of Orwellian language is the widespread use of the term "drug abuse", which term not only encompasses actual, significant harm to persons, but any use of a prescribed drug in an unprescribed manner (even sans harm), as well as any use of an illicit drug (even sans harm). The use of such a term, intended to inspire horror, (much like "child abuse" inspires horror, as an example) unfairly demonizes all illicit drug use (which use often causes no actual, significant harm) by conflating it with behaviors which are truly, demonstrably harmful. I suggest the expression "self-harm via drugs" be used when speaking of the truly detrimental types of drug use, as a more transparent term, and also a more accurate one. As far as the other sorts of behaviors currently included within the rubric of the term "drug abuse", the illicit ones, ought to be retermed "unauthorized drug use". Lastly, the term "drug abuse" is a comedic term, when taken literally, something akin to mixing one's single batch, microbrew ale with Fanta.
2 digger_ex_pat 2012-05-16
Read 1984
Brave New World
Animal Farm
Edit
Fahrenheit 451
2 Enzemo 2012-05-16
One of my favourite books of all time, ordered it from Amazon for bout £4. I'd recommend it to everyone.
Hilariously ironic that American schools have started banning it..
2 DoctorMiracles 2012-05-16
Along with Brave New World in 6th or 7th grade.
And am also partial to the film due to the weird soundtrack by Euryhtmics. Whoa Julia that's some bush!
2 permanomad 2012-05-16
HE WHO CONTROLS THE PAST CONTROLS THE FUTURE.
HE WHO CONTROLS THE PRESENT CONTROLS THE PAST.
2 OakTable 2012-05-16
I did. It was required reading in college.
2 ronfromcny 2012-05-16
War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.
2 [deleted] 2012-05-16
About 8 years ago, then again 2 years ago.
2 lookoutitscaleb 2012-05-16
1984 changed my life. Made me question everything, even myself, at every occasion.
1 Kirkayak 2012-05-16
A few times.
1 ConfirmedBias 2012-05-16
i'll just leave this here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_(novel)
1 gritz4danpatrick 2012-05-16
i read it in college for a class and i actually read it all, out of all the books i was told to read throughout school i only really read maybe 5. this book is great
0 [deleted] 2012-05-16
I have, and watched the movie. Other favorites were "A Brave New World" and "Fahrenheit 451" movies: Dune, V is for Vandetta, Apocalypse Now (there is a common theme if you are paying attention).
-1 J973 2012-05-16
Yes, back when they actually taught kids shit and there were no video game systems.
-9 [deleted] 2012-05-16
you guys are nuts but i'd be amused if you HADN'T read your actual sources
2 seolfor 2012-05-16
What exactly is 'nuts' about it? It is a good book.
-5 [deleted] 2012-05-16
meh that would be america for you though NOT the uk
flag burning and calling people cunts is perfectly fine where I am and there is no constitution explicitly stating it either
but then we dont have extrems like the USA
1 ME24601 2012-05-16
If there's sex in it, there is going to be someone trying to ban it from schools or libraries. And the people trying to ban them will most likely have never read them.
0 jiz899 2012-05-16
Dot comes after LITERATE, nb.