Lol are you serious? Your argument in r/gaming is by far the worst argument I have ever heard in my life. I am now dumber for having read that. The fact that you are able to operate a computer right now amazes me.

Which part is the illogical part, point it out to me. Quote me.

Literally every single thing you said.

Nice dodge. Know any other tricks?

Serious question: how old are you?

I guess this is your second trick. 2/10

How is that a trick? I only asked your age. You seem to be dodging now

You are not focusing on the issue and you are still yet to quote me as I requested.

So your conspiracy is that you dont like that you cant make offensive usernames on Xbox Live and the Xbox Live terms of service allows them to tell you to change it and if you don't they get rid of your account?

I recommend you actually read what I wrote instead of mischaracterizing what I wrote. How's that quote coming?

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/tp0c1/i_turn_on_my_xbox_and_this_is_what_i_see/c4ooox2

This took place after our conversation ended. Why would a non-microsoft employee have non-disclosure agreements in regards to the innerworkings of the xbox live network?

22 - I'm 22.

You obviously don't work at a decent sized company because they attach an NDA to everything they can. I've had to sign an NDA for an interview before. He may work for Microsoft but the down voting is because your points are ridiculous not because they are somehow hurting Xbox and he is protecting them. If you made valid points and were still down voted then you may be on to something but your idea of taking an offensive name and changing a number at the end to somehow subvert the Xbox live terms of service is idiotic.

taking an offensive name and changing a number at the end to somehow subvert the Xbox live terms of service is idiotic.

It's not subversion, it's following their request to a t. It's a name change. If Xbox doesn't like it they need to change their ToS.

He may work for Microsoft

considering his knowledge of the inner workings of xbox live and his NDA that covers that knowledge, I believe there is a damn good chance he does.

I really hope you are trolling because if not you truly are an idiot. If you have an offensive user name (say it's pussyfart12) and you get a warning and you are so dense that you think they want you to change the number 12 because its offensive and thus change you name to pussyfart32 then you deserve to be banned. I actually think Microsoft is letting you off easy. They should be able to come to your house and blow up your Xbox so you can no longer even use it

What If my name is klulakan and I change it to klulakan1 is that acceptable for you?

<-- /r/subredditdrama is that way.

i agree with you, as i probably should have kept this all in private messages.

i personally don't see any "conspiracy theory" going on with what this person is saying, and what i've said is pretty much all i need to say. if they wish to continue, he/she can send me all the private messages he/she desires.

How is that even remotely the correct place to post this? I'm not here to report subreddit drama.

You have to admit this is all a bit dramatic. What I would like to know though is, was the name which was banned klulakan? If so I dont see why it was banned. Although you were technically right with regards to adding a number is changing it, realistically though, if a name is deemed wrong then adding a number is not going to wash. Id really like to know if they found klulakan offensive though. I understand how you might have though desynch was an employee as hes said 'dealt with you kind before'

In that thread someone actually said that their gamertag klulakan (sp?) was banned (without warning?) because Microsoft probably thought it said klukluxklan. I might have murdered the name though, it was very close to 'klulakan'. Also the whole klulakan1 thing was just my invention.

if a name is deemed wrong then adding a number is not going to wash.

My point is that adding a number does not violate their ToS, I know it's not viable to keep contacting the same user over and over and over, I think they should just make their ToS less vague.

I understand how you might have though desynch was an employee as hes said 'dealt with you kind before'

That didn't do it for me, the reason I began to suspect him being a Microsoft employee was this post here.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/tp0c1/i_turn_on_my_xbox_and_this_is_what_i_see/c4ooox2

This took place after our conversation ended. Why would a non-microsoft employee have non-disclosure agreements in regards to the innerworkings of the xbox live network?

I am guessing that one way or another his bread is buttered by microsoft. Why else would he be privy to information covered by a non disclosure agreement.

That was my guess too. I hope r/conspiracy gets wise and takes this out of the depths and puts it back on the frontpage.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/tp0c1/i_turn_on_my_xbox_and_this_is_what_i_see/c4ooox2

This took place after our conversation ended. Why would a non-microsoft employee have non-disclosure agreements in regards to the innerworkings of the xbox live network?

though i'm the guy that this thread is supposedly about, i really don't understand where you're getting at here.

i ask kindly that you please explain this to me, as if i were posting in /r/explainlikeimfive

Umm, you gotta' read it.

can you please point out the part about bringing up lawyers?

i've dealt with your kind about the same thing, and trying to psudo-lawyer your way around it doesn't work. the policy enforcement team isn't stupid, and they expect people to at least have an iq higher than a toaster oven. please, take your flawed logic elsewhere.

You never actually brought up lawyers, you called me a pseudo-lawyer type that you often deal with.

i've dealt with your kind about the same thing

i've dealt with your kind about the same thing

i've dealt with your kind about the same thing

What exactly does this mean desynch? You deal with XBOX live customers arguing the invalidity of their account deletions?

the policy enforcement team isn't stupid, and they expect people to at least have an iq higher than a toaster oven

Way to tout your own horn, you toaster oven.

well, if you would get the rest of those quotes in there, it'd make a bit more sense.

please allow me to do the honors!

desynch: permalink

actually, adding anything to the end of the gamertag wouldn't be changing it, it would appending it. if the initial report was for the name "futtbucker" and you simply added "69" to the end of it, you're still using the original name that was reported (futtbucker), and it still has to be changed.

i've dealt with your kind about the same thing, and trying to psudo-lawyer your way around it doesn't work. the policy enforcement team isn't stupid, and they expect people to at least have an iq higher than a toaster oven. please, take your flawed logic elsewhere.

(please take note of the word "and" in there, as there are no references to actual lawyers in that statement. the context in which "psudo-lawyer" (pseudo meaning not genuine, sham, false, fraudulent, etc.. and i just realized that i misspelled it the whole time) is used, means one who tries to twist rules/words/meanings around in their favor, as a hardcore/cooky defense lawyer would attempt to do. if you watch 'breaking bad', think of the character 'saul goodman' in this case. i'm sure you understand the statement to it's fullest)

Mcfaggotface: permalink

i've dealt with your kind about the same thing

Another reddit badass...

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desynch: permalink

by "your kind", i mean the same screaming 15 year olds using the xbox live service that try to explain how "ilovepussywillow" is an acceptable name because "i'm referring to the flower, bra!". it's got the word "pussy" in it, therefore it is not allowed on the xbox live service.

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as for the "the policy enforcement team isn't stupid, and they expect people to at least have an iq higher than a toaster oven" line, well, i think that really speaks for itself. if one were to actually go back and read the thread, (which i believe it starts making sense right around here), you'd start to understand. basically, it comes down to the same thing in my previous quote (where i mention the name 'futtbucker', and adding numbers to the end of it) still being against the code of conduct, as the original complaint is for the name in question, and appending numbers to the tail end of it still leaves the unchanged name that had the original complaint filed on it. therefore, the request to change said name hasn't been fulfilled.

now, you and i both know (and i believe that other people would agree with me here as well) that if you're trying to get away with some silly and absurd name, adding numbers to the end of it doesn't really help your cause, as it's usually done to poke & prod at and/or generally giving someone the finger. the person who had created that name knows what they had done, along with the policy enforcement team (hereby known as 'pet') and trying to add additional numbers/letters still leaves the infraction in place. it doesn't quite take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

^{i also love toast!}

i do enjoy a good debate, and i'm not one for trying to "argue" or "pick fights" on the internet, because that's just plain silly, if you ask me. though, i will happily answer your questions and help you (and others) to understand what's being said.

oh, and i don't work for microsoft. never have! i'm not sure where you make the assumption that i do.. though, sometimes i wish i did work for microsoft's xbox live division, as i have a whole lot of "useless" knowledge pertaining to the console, it's features, online policies, and generally a bunch of other information that i've learned over the years of being an active member of the live community in many different ways.

i really hope this clears some things up for you! :)

oh, and i don't work for microsoft. never have! i'm not sure where you make the assumption that i do.

I am surprised . From the seriousness of your attitude I assumed you did.

Why are you so concerned that a person should not have the name ilovepussywillow? Hardly lude, is it?

You are not including my full responses. Please click his permalinks instead of reading his quotes.

i genuinely felt like i really only needed to add the "meat & potatoes" of our debate to that large wall of text (and i do apologize for that, but i wanted to be sure i was clear on things), though i did add the permalinks for anyone else who may have decided to read those posts in their entirety.

edit:

for anyone else who may decided

(i accidentally a word)

"who may decide". You could have been more concise.

Well you're just adding your "meat & potatoes" and disregarding mine entirely.

well by all means, please feel free to gather your meats and potatoes and put them on the plate. that's what we're here for; to clear some things up with your conspiracy theory, correct?

Just informing everyone here that you are being disingenuous.

LKSJDFJAOISDF HE DIDN'T POST MY RESPONSES HE'S DISINGENUOUS EVERYONE LOOK OUT!!!

Stop crying and respond like an adult. He sure did, and what he's said makes a whole lot more sense than what you're yammering on about.

Besides what people are saying in here you're right. I've written negitive apple comments (I still like the company but the comments were legit) and have seen 100-200 up votes in about half a day. Then after the next few days I've watched in my user page those comments drop right down to 0 with no counter argument or reason.. Even continues when the story is long long gone from the front page.

I'm starting to believe that certain subreddits are basically ran (not moderated, but possibly) by moneyed interest.

I barely ever play games or even visit r/gaming, so me visiting that sub was by chance. Hell I don't even own an XBOX

It was something about their abrasive rhetoric and obvious tag team method and repeated name calling that really got to me, if they were a little gentler in their rhetoric I would have abandoned the discussion way earlier.

Looks like I stumbled onto something that I had no inkling I would stumble upon.

Let's also note that when Microsoft deletes an account, you're* no longer allowed to play on XBOX live, a network which you are only allowed to use unless you give microsoft money. If your account is deleted, if one wished to play on line one has to buy a new XBOX live card, these range in the 20-60 dollar limit.

PS: there is probably gonna' be a downvote brigade in here really soon.

actually, if you don't mind i'd like to point a few things out and correct them:

Let's also note that when Microsoft deletes an account,

microsoft doesn't delete accounts. if anything, access to the account is removed, and your gamertag (or zune tag) is removed from public view. at least, that's what i assume. but you know what they say about assuming things...

your no longer allowed to play on XBOX live, a network which you are only allowed to use unless you give microsoft money.

true and false. true, you cannot access xbox live's online features (multiplayer gaming, party chats, certain marketplace content and other features that would require a paid subscription) however (the false part), you can still use a silver (free) account for basic usage. you can still message your friends, add people to friends lists, and communicate with them in private one-on-one voice chatting and play singleplayer games. that is, provided the gamertag hasn't been banned from the xbox live service.

^{* also, it's "you're", not "your" but we'll let that slide *}

if one wished to play on line one has to buy a new XBOX live card, these range in the 20-60 dollar limit.

i've seen crazy sales on xbox live gold subscription cards. amazon usually has really good deals on these; a 3-month card i see they have priced at $19.80, and a 12-month card for $49.96. i've seen these as low as $15-30 before. you just gotta catch them at the right time.

hope this clears some things up for you!

You guys must make a killing off all the kids accounts you delete (that haven't broken the tos) that have to buy new cards.

hey friend, i hope this post clears some things up for you. though, if you still have any questions about xbox live and it's online service, feel free to ask! i'll gladly answer as much as i can. :)

Let's also note that when Microsoft deletes an account,

microsoft doesn't delete accounts. if anything, access to the account is removed, and your gamertag (or zune tag) is removed from public view.

wtf. what is the difference between deleting an account and denying access to an account. 'oh its ok , we didnt delete the account we have just permanently denied you access to it and removed the name' lol

I am starting to think you are a microsoft astroturfer ..

can you please point out the part about bringing up lawyers?