Or those "rumors" could be facts obtained through the auditing process, which is more like a torture session in many cases.

Scientology has all of Trovolta's deepest, darkest secrets on tape. Auditing is primarily a way to gather incriminating information on Church members.

perhaps Tila Tequila has inside info on this.

John Travolta was wakened by the death of his son. This church opposed real psychology, which may have been his only hope. Once lies hit reality people sometimes wake up.

That's exactly what I mean, maybe his son's death was his wake up call to the idiocy of the CoS. Now that he wants to leave, they air his dirty laundry.

Definitely something weird afoot:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/07/13-naughtiest-bits-from-the-masseur-lawsuit-against-john-travolta0.html

"Defendant began screaming at Plaintiff, telling Plaintiff how selfish he was; that Defendant got to where he is now due to sexual favors he had performed when he was in his Welcome Back, Kotter days; and that Hollywood is controlled by homosexual Jewish men who expect favors in return for sexual activity. Defendant then went on to say how he had done things in his past that would make most people throw up."

Defendant explained when he started that he wasn't even gay and that the taste of 'cum' would make him gag. Defendant also said that he was smart enough to learn to enjoy it, and when he began to make millions of dollars, that it all became well worth it."

"Defendant further explained that the high class in this world always favor same-sex relationships; that sex with beautiful, fit men is actually more intense; and if Plaintiff would just be open-minded enough to let it happen, he would experience the best fucking of his life."

Something that outrageous is likely either totally made up or totally true. LoL! I'm not interested in his sexuality but the assertion that Hollywood success depends on sex has been around a long, long time. It would be great to finally know the low down.

Aside from the actions depicted that border on rape/assault, the thing is, it really doesn't matter what he does or prefers sexually. If this testimony is true, it seems he's really comfortable with his sexuality, and that's kind of awesome. (Aside from being kinda rapey about it) The only issue seems to be that since he's not open about it to the general public, it's kind of his 'dirty laundry' that the CoS can use against him. If he came out, it would not give them that leverage, and he could be a great role model. Of course though, he doesn't have to come out, it's his life.

Keep in mind also that the CoS is quite vehemently anti-gay.

Yes, definitely, this is another reason why I think this is possible. It's strange that such a powerful and high ranking member of the CoS is so brazen about his preferences. With pedo priests though, it starts to make sense. Who knows what's really going on.

I don't think they would smear him until he'd actually left permanently, because pre-smearing would certainly not do him any good and hence it would weaken his usefulness to them. AS a threat to keep him from leaving, wouldn't it make an enemy rather than a tool?

As to whether he's bi or gay, there have been enough publicized things that it's clear he is one of those. and in some bathhouse incidents specifically seemed to sexually prefer guys with dark skin. I'd hate to think that Kelly Preston was wasted as a 'beard' though. But so what if he's gay; leave him alone. Every human deserves to try to be happy as long as they don't actively harm others. Amd apparently he genuinely loved his son, so it's not like he's a heartless soulless jerk

But speaking of jerks, as for David Miscavage, he's an A-1 psycho son of a bitch and capable of anything, including physical harm to others. He's living proof Scientology can't cure douchebags,

I don't think they would smear him until he'd actually left permanently, because pre-smearing would certainly not do him any good and hence it would weaken his usefulness to them. AS a threat to keep him from leaving, wouldn't it make an enemy rather than a tool?

I agree, but it's possible that they are releasing these slowly to keep him from leaving. One of the masseurs has just 'settled' his case, maybe that's because travolta has caved to the scientology leaders in a way, and they are cleaning it up a bit. I hope that makes sense, and I see what you're saying too. But I just think it's possible that they are doing this to keep him in scientology, to show him that that his is under their control.

As to whether he's bi or gay, there have been enough publicized things that it's clear he is one of those

Where there's smoke, there's fire. But of course, it doesn't matter what he is. It's sad to see that he's uncomfortable with being honest in regards to his career, but who cares what he prefers? And yeah, it's super sad for his wife and son, and he does seem nice.

Oh, another person who's heard the bath house stories and dark-skinned guys bit. Interesting.

Haven't people been calling John Travolta gay since like.. 1980?

Yes, but here's the thing; obviously, he doesn't want the general public to know he's gay (or bi.) So, perhaps scientology is using this against him because he wants to leave. I'm just speculating of course, but maybe if he was openly gay, the church would have nothing to use against him.

That's pretty much the Church's MO when it comes to dealing with people wanting to leave. You become what they call a "Suppression Person" and they resort to pressing legal issues and public ridicule to put the fear back in them, or just trash their career altogether.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_Person

http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/tsos/sos-10.html

Or it could be he's just a rich perv who thought he could buy sex from whoever he wants. Both are possible, but I do know it has been explained by many CoS insiders before, that the organization uses personal foils to manipulate members into staying. The "auditing" process is as much about uncovering and documenting them, as anything else.

Yes, this is precisely what I mean. Who knows what's really going on, but it's possible that after his son's death he wants out, and they are airing these things out for the world to see. The CoS is very shady, and has had quite a few unexplained deaths occur under their watch. It's also crazy to read the accounts of children raised in the church, that later escape.

Thank you very much for the links, super informative.

Wouldn't be beyond them to employ such a tactic.

There's been rumors about John Travolta being gay for years. Whether he is or not, it could just be that it's becoming public because maybe he came on to the "wrong people" who think it's an easy payday for them to sue a celebrity.

I completely agree, like I said, it's just a theory. It could just be people looking for press and $$$, or it could be something more sinister. He is gay or bi though, and it seems like he's uncomfortable with the general public knowing. Who knows, maybe he'll come out now.

A theory: John is gay. (or bi)

Obviously, he should just call their bluff by sucking a bunch of dicks.

I have a friend who works as a personal trainer in LA. He had to sub for another trainer one day in a gym. The gym happened to be where Travolta works out every now and then. My friend was being hit on by Travolta during the training session. He said he never felt so uncomfortable having the guy from Welcome Back Kotter hitting on him.

It's kind of unexpected that he's so brazen about it, since it seems like he doesn't want the general public to know. Very interesting...

Well, everyone knows it, they just have the church deny it as well.

Apparently there are rumors floating around about Tom Cruise being seen in West Hollywood at gay bars. This was from another friend several years ago. I assume this was before the marriage to Katy.

The Tom Cruise rumor is the only one I have a really hard time believing, he's very convincing - maybe that's because he's an actor, and maybe it's great training from the CoS. Who knows though... It's just sad that we don't live in a reality where people feel 100% free to be themselves.

Dont know how reliable this is, but a friend's father is a fairly big director of photography, and has worked with JT twice I believe. He told me at least 3 years ago that he was clearly gay, and he would constantly offer to take different (young, male) set assistants to lunch/dinner.

Nothing wrong with that, but I don't think the church (no matter how fucked up) is starting something. I don't disagree with your point, but I don't think the church made it up.

Nothing wrong with that, but I don't think the church (no matter how fucked up) is starting something. I don't disagree with your point, but I don't think the church made it up.

I don't think the church is making it up, I think that (some of) the rumors are true, and he wants to keep it reasonably quiet from the average middle american movie goer; and now, since his son's death, he wants to leave the CoS, and they are using this 'dirty laundry' of his against him. It could be a total coincidence, but the CoS has done some very sinister things to people who try to leave the church, or speak out against their beliefs.

This is the most sensible and believable thing I've ever seen this subreddit. Yeah, the CoS doesn't take kindly to people trying to leave, least of all one of their biggest celebrity members.

Haha, thanks! Yeah, and imagine if he spoke out against them? It would be awful for their PR. They make so much money preying on vulnerable people - to have one of their most famous members say bad things about them, would ruin them financially. Interesting to consider, there are tons of celeb scientologists, and I've never read an account slandering the CoS by one of them. The only people exposing the dark side of CoS are former (civilian) members. Paul Haggis, a director, famously spoke out against scientology, but he doesn't quite have the same 'name' that cruise or travolta have. It would be awesome if a more well known person, came out against them, hopefully with time.

Well, there was that whole thing with Anonymous a few years ago but I don't know if that's still going on. I figure most of those guys packed up their V masks and moved on to Occupy.

Actually anyone in Scientology is gay. Ask Tom.

I have heard from people for years that Travolta has a preference for men. One of my best friends is an audio/video technician and he did sound for a party John threw at a hotel in Monterey (CA) once. Definitely gay, according to my friend...who saw much.

I also used to work at the adult bookstore in Monterey and the owners had their own Travolta stories, which I will not repeat here.

Lastly, up until 2003, I had a longtime gay friend who then died of AIDS and its complications (after 14 years with it). He was very active in the gay community and always had illuminating things to say about celebrities, many of which fell under the "Oh PLEASE! Of course s/he's GAY!" umbrella. Travolta was one of those, even back then.

I personally don't care what sexes anyone prefers. May as well bitch about what kind of ice cream they call favorite...it takes all kinds, ya know? But I don't think this is scientology-driven at all. He's just gay...and really likes the massages to have happy endings.

Moving my comment under yours. I had posted:

A friend of mine is a costume designer with credits on several movies Travolta has been in. She's told me several amusing stories about his bath house antics and his preference for hispanic and middle eastern men. She's also told me his reason for secrecy about his orientation is a combination of it ruining his image and appeal with female audiences, and Scientology.

Needless to say, I was not surprised when these lawsuits emerged.

Exactly the same things I heard from my buddy...who's boyfriend was a bath house, um, enthusiast.

Interesting, thanks for the info. Where there's smoke there's fire, it's just sad that he has to hide such a big part of his life. Who cares if he's gay?So, who knows what the deal is with these lawsuits. Maybe it's desperate people, or maybe it's a vendetta of the CoS.

I totally agree, and there's nothing wrong with his orientation, but I get the feeling that he doesn't want the general movie-going audience of america to know. He's married to woman, and carrie fisher outed him, so it seems like it's something he's trying to keep on the DL. Again, this is all just wild speculation, but maybe he wants to leave the church because of (many reasons) his son's death, and since he's a powerful ($$$) member, the church is airing his dirty laundry to keep him in check.

He's from a different era of Hollywood. Note that the man doesn't even like to be the bald he is now naturally...dude is used to living lies.

As for the church...he will reap whatever he has sown there. Fanatics are as fanatics do.... (When I pass one of their tables and am asked if I want a 'stress test', I always respond with "No, thank you. I already have enough stress in my life and don't need any help identifying more." To date, they have never yet had a response to that beyond open-mouthed, blank-ass stares.)

You are what you are. Own it before it owns you....

You are what you are. Own it before it owns you....

Yes, exactly! Maybe because this is his dirty laundry, the CoS is using it against him for trying to leave. Or maybe it's just a coincidence, who knows. It would be great if he came out though, it would be progressive and he could serve as a great role model for the community.

Read CoS as Chamber of Secrets.

Kind of still made sense.

Very true.

And I'm very very sorry about the loss of your friend, I've had family members die of AIDS, and it's so tragic that there's no cure or foolproof treatment yet :(

Sidenote: it would be AWESOME if Travolta came out, it would be such a great platform to show that you can be gay and be a rich, working actor in hollywood. It would also help people struggling with their sexuality, to show them that there's nothing wrong with it. And maybe if more and more people came out in support, AIDS could be even more of a priority to treat and research.

My friend, Dave, was one of the first cases and nowhere near rich, so he got to be one of their fucking guinea pigs, new 'cocktails' every year at least. I have heard they 'cured' it about 6 times since he died, but like all good medicine, TPTB keep suppressing such treatments. I miss him terribly, but at least he died on a cloud, holding his mom's hand, saying "This is how I want to go"...as he went. After all his suffering, he was still a wonderful and amazing person. He was not predisposed for the post-9/11 world, though. Especially with me as his best friend. :D I study too much. ;)

I still recall walking into his home on 9/11/01 and having him tell me another building collapsed! Say what? Yeah, building 7 or something just collapsed like the others. We had both been watching all day, though, and decided to turn it off, worship the bong and play some Magic, pretending the world was still right for the rest of that day.

R.I.P., buddy. You are still well-missed.

It's wonderful that you had such an amazing friend and friendship, and he was very lucky to have you in his life. Each meaningful relationship we can have in this life is precious, and the love we share and spread can only make the world a better place. :)

Well said, but I was just as lucky to have him. I could talk about anything with Dave, anything at all.

Seriously, being outed as gay is threat? Who cares?

I think at this point if he came out people might judge him for repeatedly denying it for so long. It's almost like it's too late for it to be a good career move. I'm betting he's bisexual but wants to keep his private life private and only one of the massage incidents actually happened.

I see what you mean, but if he did it right, he could be hailed as a progressive member of the glbt community. Look at Robert Downey Jr's comeback, I could see Travolta's coming out going as well. It could even open up new opportunities for him. Glbt civil rights are a huge issue right now, and I think it would be the perfect time for him to come out publicly. Of course I highly doubt he will, but it would be a great move.

I agree, there's nothing wrong with it, and it would be great for him to be an openly gay powerful hollywood actor. But perhaps he's closeted, and because he wants to leave the church, this 'secret' is leverage to use against him. Although, you could argue of course that he's never hidden it, because he seems to be quite open around masseurs. But the fact that he's married, and the fact that Carrie Fisher outed him, makes it seem like he doesn't want the public to know.

There seriously isn't anything I've read this week that I give less of a shit about.

Or the guy is gay/bi and likes to get his dick sucked. Who cares....

I completely agree, what I'm trying to say is that it's possible that he's trying to keep his sexuality on the DL, and the CoS is using his 'dirty laundry' against him because he wants to leave the church.

It’s not a theory though, it’s a hypothesis. An interesting one that strikes at the heart that is the evil of the Church of Scientology, but there is zero evidence for any of your claims. Sure, the CoS has in the past blackmailed people, but people have been claiming John Travolta is gay/bi for years. There’s tons of photos of him kissing men outside of planes and what not. I love tossing out theories but sometimes I feel like this subreddit is more of a what if then of hardcore facts. Which I understand is certainly hard when it comes to conspiracy and secret societies. I personally think we nor the media should either be speculating about this man’s sexual preference, nor give two shits what he wraps around his dick, male or female, but all the power to you.

It’s not a theory though, it’s a hypothesis.

You're definitely right about this, my bad

I love tossing out theories but sometimes I feel like this subreddit is more of a what if then of hardcore facts.

This is very true too, that's why I'm trying to make it clear this is just shameless celeb gossip

I personally think we nor the media should either be speculating about this man’s sexual preference, nor give two shits what he wraps around his dick, male or female, but all the power to you.

I'm 100% with you on this, it doesn't matter at all.

I'm only trying to discuss the possibility of the CoS using his 'dirty laundry' against him, because he wants to leave the church. The CoS has done nasty things to people who defect; since he's a very rich and high ranking member, it's possible they're afraid that he would speak ill of them, it would be awful for their PR.

But I totally agree with your general sentiment, this is all wild and inconsequential speculation, it's just kind of fun to gossip about stupid things, and let your brain fart for awhile. It's just like candy, and you gotta know when to stop and go back to more meaningful things :)

Cool story bro.

A Theory: John Travolta, his daily life, his career, as well as Scientology in general, aren't worthy of the thought it took to write this sentence. I don't care if his life falls apart, his family leaves him, and he goes on to produce a number of retarded children with random crack whores. Reversely, I do not care if he was set-up, or what his next movie will be. It doesn't matter, it doesn't effect us, that people pay so much attention to this bullshit is a symptom of the overall sickness infecting our species.

Well, if you want to be pissy...modern life doesn't afford very many common denominators or town square moments. Thats why things like the Super Bowl and even inane events like, just as an example - balloon boy - take on such psuedo-importance. It gives people small talk and makes us feel psychologically connected in an increasingly isolated world (thanks to technology). As depressing as it is, gossip matters.

http://www.bestthinking.com/trendingtopic/relateditem/1475

I totally agree, but here's how I look at it. I eat a super healthy diet, but once in awhile, I gotta drop my guard and eat some candy. This inane celeb gossip is like candy: empty, worthless and void of quality. I choose to enjoy the stupid once in awhile, and then go back to more intellectual pursuits, that are much more worthwhile.

But yeah, I agree, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Yes, but here's the thing; obviously, he doesn't want the general public to know he's gay (or bi.) So, perhaps scientology is using this against him because he wants to leave. I'm just speculating of course, but maybe if he was openly gay, the church would have nothing to use against him.

I completely agree, what I'm trying to say is that it's possible that he's trying to keep his sexuality on the DL, and the CoS is using his 'dirty laundry' against him because he wants to leave the church.