Yes! I have noticed this and I'm glad you brought this forward. Its only a matter of time when the world wakes up to this global conspiracy! We will prevail!

The Hasbara gang will only hit a subreddit if they can control the results of posts. If they sense that the general mood is strongly against Zionism, and their efforts to downvote posts out of existence are being met with solid upvoting, they give up and move on to a subreddit where they can control posts. They've pretty much given up trying to control r/conspiracy, because they've realized that they cannot control it.

Yeah!

"that would have been extremely impossible."

what does that even mean?

The Overton Window is a fickle mistress indeed.

It is disquieting, to be honest it makes me uncomfortable. On the one hand, I see, more people than ever coming to understand the nature and function of the man behind the curtain, and on the other, I see his grip on power not waning but growing faster, steadily and uncontested. Nowhere is this better exemplified than Occupy Wall Street's use of facebook and twitter for organization and evangelism.

There's a hardening going on, a calcification. We're running full tilt now and however it ends it won't be with a smooshy playdough amalgamative wedding, but with the crack of bone and brick and the smell of iron and ammonia.

And the front page has turned into Fox News.

I wasn't trying to detract from your post, or disagree with it. While what was once conspiracy becomes main stream news, the overall attitude of people on reddit (as well as those I come in contact with) seems to be one of acceptance and defense of the status quo. Take the "Gift for Troops" drive sponsored by reddit HQ. You've been a contributor to this community for years, would you describe that blog post as normal behavior? I found it to be really creepy, personally.

Sorry I keep getting mixed info on this...

Zionism = Godgiven right to own isreal and cause harm to the Islamic people?

But yeah I think your right. I have a bad feeling that in the pas few years governements have stopped trying to hide things. To what I understand and long as their illegal actions are out of the paper and 6 pm news they feel they are in the clear.

I say governement but I'm sure other people are involved

it became too easy to verify things independently. also, the idea that a cabal of assholes was destroying/running the planet seemed a little absurd to most people: why blame conspiracy when stupidity covered most of it?

it is now commonly understood that people at the nodes of networks have great influence, and it is easy to demonstrate their influence by googling and way back machining, whereas in the Wilhelm reich days they just threw you in prison, discredited you in front of your peers, then chucked your effects into an incinerator. bac then, people would be like:'cool story bro'

a few years ago it became: Pics or it didn't happen.

now: well, no shit they are assraping us with a piece of splintered balsa wood. in fact, they are raping us in ways we never imagined, and probably can't imagine. the surprise has worn off, and after the concept of viral marketing really got around, it is only llogical to assume it is a government plant. in fact, it is logical to assume i work for the govt, and vice-versa.

after the Bush 43 debacle, i dont think any sane person is surprised by much.

Dude you have to keep your bio consistent. A few months back you posted that you were just 17 years old. Now you are talking about "the general world view that I have been holding for ten years now" and "the things that many of us were worried about 5-10 years ago". What happened to you at age 7?

Sorry I got you confused with Utterlydepressed.

Carry on.

What is the right way?

I thought it was dis·traught \di-ˈstrȯt\

1. agitated with doubt or mental conflict or pain

2.mentally deranged : crazed <as if thou wert distraught and mad with terror — Shakespeare>

Which is why I confused you with utterlydepressed.

It's like Ruppert has talked about. The 100th monkey.

Yes, this sub is the hipster master of the universe.

You came up with all of this before anyone else, and the rest of Reddit should feel better knowing that this sub is here to let everyone know what to be afraid of in the future.

Similar to the KONY thread that was made here a couple weeks ago, where people in here were trying to take credit for thinking that it was a scam, when PLENTY of non conspirators thought it was a scam as well.

I didn't think there were conspiracy hipsters

Similar to the KONY thread that was made here a couple weeks ago, where people in here were trying to take credit for thinking that it was a scam, when PLENTY of non conspirators thought it was a scam as well.

I was part of that thread and the point I tried to make, but which got mischaracterized just like ^ this ^ was:

On the day that first KONY2012 video went viral, before it was posted to any other subreddits attempting to scam them, it was posted here first with a headline identifying it as a scam. And, I think this often gets overlooked about our subreddit.

We were the first to have the scam video posted in our subreddit - and it was posted as a suspected scam, not as a "hey make this go viral" ploy. So, while the rest of reddit was arguing about whether or not it was a scam, we were discussing what, specifically, the scam was and sharing that info with mainstream reddit when they got hit with it hours later.

This is a very precise and specific example of how we don't get credit for what we do here. Sure, other people (non r/conspiracy subscribers) suspected it was a scam, but... my point was that we not only were the first to report it as a scam, but we did so before it hit the rest of reddit for them to even discuss.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/search?count=125&amp;sort=new&amp;after=t3_qprjn&amp;q=kony2012&amp;restrict_sr=on

That should take you to the oldest posts in r/conspiracy about kony2012. Looks like all of them from the outset are "this is a scam" posts. Every. Single. One. i.e., it was never posted here "to scam", but only "reported as a scam".

And, for what it's worth, I did this search once before, not restricted to just r/conspiracy, and there's now a post missing... it was the first posting of the video, before bokmal's and before Perignis' self-post... the very first posting of the video was in r/conspiracy, now removed for whatever reason, and I can't remember the username who posted it, but it was one of the recognizable long-timers who posted it here like Kranky_Old_Dude [not him, but someone like that].

So you were the first ones to get the video, but no one gives you credit?

Doesn't that kind of disagree with the notion that you guys aren't getting credit for what you do?

And to me, I don't know, the whole situation is really strange.. A lot of the comments on the youtube video were about potential scams, everyone I know in person, or online, thought it was a scam.. Any research into Invisible Children revealed the idea of a scam..

The only people who thought it was a super real thing to get concerned about were the same type of people who post bogus stories in this sub where someone talks in an ominous voice and tells them what to think.

So you were the first ones to get the video, but no one gives you credit?

Doesn't that kind of disagree with the notion that you guys aren't getting credit for what you do?

Not if it's one of our regulars, spotting it on the horizon and bringing it here. i.e., It wasn't delivered here by a KONY2012 shill.

And while you can argue to discredit and trivialize what we do here all you want, those of us who've been watching the trends over the last 3-4 years know good and well that we get breaking news here and we break stories open here (amid all the other bizarre and edgy things we do). KONY2012 is just one example which actually has timestamps on the submissions and their titles (i.e., when and how it was submitted).

Just curious, if you have such little appreciation for what we do, why do you come here? Seems like the only motivation, if you disrespect us that much, is to be a PITA.

Because the rare 1 in 200 article is actually interesting, but it gets buried because people are more interesting in bullshit that can easily be debunked.

To be more clear; I am interested in conspiracies, and this is one of the least retarded forums about them. GLP, infowars, ATS, every other forum is just full of infinitely more racism, stupidity, and fear-mongering.

There aren't "many" of them coming up, but there are the occasional story here that's worth reading and worth sharing with other Redditors, is why I come here.

It wouldn't let me edit my post.

The community has asked us to let them decide whether or not content is appropriate for this subreddit. As a result, our new queue often looks pretty full of garbage.

Are you suggesting that the moderators should start censoring stuff to make sure the community is voting on the right articles? If so, my follow up question would be: Who gets to decide which articles are the right ones for this subreddit?

Anything that can be shown as bs by even basic research doesn't belong.

That, or there just needs to be a more specific sub, as I asked a few times and never really got any feedback from.

This sub seems to have every single possible thing that could ever be considered possibly maybe even potentially a conspiracy. That's fine, it's /conspiracy, but when things that are totally common, or not even close to a conspiracy, I don't know how those show up.

Anything that can be shown as bs by even basic research doesn't belong.

So, you're just blowing smoke about how smart you are compared to everyone else, right? Because this sentence has absolutely zero substantive reference, it's just you complaining about how smart you are compared to everyone else on the face of the planet.

Have a nice day.

Okay...

Where are you getting your rant, from what I said?

I say that anything that can be refuted easily doesn't belong, and you take that as me saying I'm the smartest person alive?

what the hell..

"it's just you complaining about how smart you are compared to everyone else on the face of the planet."

Hardly. I just think if something can be EASILY refuted, it doesn't belong here.. Is that really something that out of the line to say? It can't be, as many posts that come through here feature other people saying the same thing..

People look at this sub in a negative light, and it's not because of the rare thread that actually shows why this sub is here, it's because of all the crazy threads that are blown up by racism/misinformation.

You say these words...

I just think if something can be EASILY refuted, it doesn't belong here.

But everything about the totality of what you says is more like this.

If I can comfortably dismiss and disregard something without having to take an active interest in understanding it, I shouldn't have to see it and no one else should be allowed to, either.

This is not a rant. This is me standing my ground against an affront you have presented to the way this community has asked me to perform my moderator duties. This subreddit (you, apparently, being one of the 3 or 4 exceptions out of 60,000) has insisted that they be allowed to determine (via their votes) which submissions are relevant. Which means... we get a LOT of submissions that aren't... which, in turn, has you complaining about those submissions.

And while I didn't want to have to go this far, because it might possibly encourage you to look for the few fluke exceptions and shove them in my face... nonetheless... I want you to compare the "hot" tab to the "new" tab. You're bitching about the "new" tab, while the community is creating the "hot" tab. (and yes, sometimes the "hot" tab actually has stuff in it being debunked - so the headline and/or story isn't being lauded, it's being shredded - By. This. Community.)

EDIT: And, if I'm not mistaken, this is how reddit was designed to work.

Okay, so what you're saying is, I say something, and instead of reading what I say, you read into it as if I'm saying something else?

That's cool, so, don't do that...

Sent you a PM about this because this is delving off-topic and you are obviously going to continue telling me what I mean instead of letting me tell you what I mean, so this is going to obviously be a very one-sided discussion.

No. What I'm saying is that your complaint is tired. It's the same one that keeps recurring among new people (migrants from digg, 4chan, etc). You are either:

a) new to reddit, or

b) just bitter and like to complain.

You completely dodged the point I was making.

This is reddit. This is how reddit was designed from the ground up. Submit, vote, comment. Your message, no matter what words you choose to state it, is: I don't like what's submitted here.

And you dodged the whole issue of how reddit works.

PROTIP: I didn't get your PM (which your words claim you sent). If you choose to PM me, I'll have the opportunity to add you to my ignore list. (That's another new feature of how reddit works.) As long as it remains public, everyone gets to see.

And, you are quite wrong about this delving off-topic. By staying true to the reddit format, pointing out shillery in our smaller subreddit, etc. we're having an influence on mainstream dialog, somewhat slowly and delayed. But we're having an influence nonetheless. And, all of this is happening despite the fact that some people (you, apparently being one of them) are only able to see what they feel are our shortcomings, which they then amplify as though they are life threatening, when in actuality they're just the chaff of reddit - It's like saying "damn, I love pomegranates, but I hate the seeds".

I was in the process of PMing you when I got a phone call, my apologies.

here's where I was in the middle of my sentence:

"I don't read the new tab, it's frustrating. I read a lot of those comments and go, what in the hell?

Maybe I'm just in the wrong sub, but I like to see legitimate discussion about actual conspiracies, a lot of the topics are flooded with misinformation and obvious racism, and I'm not the only one who has noticed.

I'm not saying anyone needs to be censored, and I find it slightly humorous that you say that because I just had a conversation with someone in PM last night about this, and this is what ANOTHER USER who posts in conspiracy a lot had to say;

"Ugh. This kind of crazy eliminates the need for shills. You just point it out to any sane person and say "Hey, look at this." What's sad is it's still one of the better conspiracy forums. If I were a mod I'd delete so much of this crap they'd think I was satanist in the employ of every bugaboo in the book."

I understand it's a free forum, and that it's Reddit. I FULLY GET THAT. I have said that in numerous comments, you could see that in my comment history..

What I don't get is, why people are upvoting blatant misinformation, or stories that are easily proven false?

I'm not saying I'm a genius, I'm saying the EXACT opposite. I'm saying that "

Obviously an incomplete thought, because, I was doing something else.

I understand how reddit works, I TOTALLY FUCKING GET IT. I have explained that I get it in numerous posts, including in this sub, to another moderator.

My post isn't a complaint to YOU, or Moderators, my post is a complaint to all the people here who wonder why people around reddit think SO negatively about this sub, but still post misinformation and bullshit stories that are so easily debunked, that all you would need to do is do a google search, instead of coming in from that 10,000 view youtube video that's been online for 3 years.

I post in threads I agree with, I post in threads that I think are bullshit threads, and I ignore all the other ones.

I'm not dodging any point you're making, I don't understand why you feel you deserve any sort of actual response when you start off your statement saying:

"But everything about the totality of what you says is more like this."

When you start off a 'discussion' by putting words in my mouth, why should I respect your points? If you dance around mine, by saying I have some hidden meaning?

Conspiracy Theorist doesn't mean crazy, but many posters in this sub make it seem that way. This is one of the better conspiracy forums, but at times it seems no better than GLP, or ATS, or infowars..

You keep saying that I'm the only one who thinks it, but are you sure I'm just not the only one saying it in the sub, because they don't give a shit about the karma system?

I most certainly qualify under "B" in your ultimatum, which really stems to what, every single person in the galaxy?

People love to complain, everywhere, about everything. I am human, I also love to complain.

I complain when I see people complaining.

I get lots of pm's where people state that they stopped posting in /conspiracy because of certain topics that seem to always make their way to the front page, I don't out those people, because they messaged me in private.. so I respect their privacy.

You seem to have a problem with ME specifically, as you ignore the idea that there are people who stop coming here and just aren't as outspoken about the threads.

My point is simple, in every thread that I bring it up.

I like conspiracies, I studied them in High School, in University, and now. I always leave my mind open for change, and when I see posts in this sub essentially being "rewarded" by being put on the main page, which can be discredited EASILY (I'm not saying by me, which is where you think this is an ego play, I mean by anyone) it makes people come to this sub, and be re-affirmed in their beliefs that everyone here must be crazy.

I wanted to send you a PM because this issue you have is clearly, with me. So why not just discuss it with me?

I just wanted to add that, I would love to continue this discussion in a civil way, and if you could stop just targeting just me, and instead maybe have an actual discussion with me, that would be great.

No one likes being told they mean something different than what they're saying, so please, don't do that.

What I don't get is, why people are upvoting blatant misinformation, or stories that are easily proven false?

Easy question with an easy answer (most of the time). the upvotes are for the discussion, not the submitted misinformation.

I wanted to send you a PM because this issue you have is clearly, with me. So why not just discuss it with me?

Because you and your perspective on what is actually happening in this subreddit (which is tainted, by the way, by your predisposition - or at least it seems that way from the tone of your (one level up) long comment) are a recurring symptom, and I'm of the opinion that anyone else exhibiting those same symptoms might be influenced by this public discussion. It's not "just you" (and I won't dabble in jabs about your ego). It's the erroneous perspective you have. And I have repeatedly tried to explain to you why it is in error. In short, that explanation is: this is how reddit, not only was intended to work, but how it actually does work when people put effort into it.

And, I'm going to offer one last item of "correction" here to help you get on the right track (to a fuller, richer appreciation for reddit and this subreddit in particular).

"I don't read the new tab, it's frustrating. I read a lot of those comments and go, what in the hell?

And there's the problem. (and I referenced this in previous comments)

I don't "read" the new queue, either. But I do look at it ... and vote on the submissions. I upvote the ones that:

• I think people should be aware of (my peeve: pretty much anything to do with international finance and/or the US Federal Reserve),

• I would like to see discussed/vetted. (which sometimes means upvoting something that later turns out to be disinfo - but, it also means that next time I can downvote it)

and a third category...

• are things I am interested in on the fringes of historical conspiracy (ancient civilizations and such).

My point: Instead of complaining about what you see, how about participating in what gets seen? (this is my whole point, by the way, is that you're complaining, rather than participating; and, I think you'd have a better appreciation for reddit if you participated just a little more deeply than commenting on things you like and complaining about those you don't).

Instead of complaining about what you see, how about participating in what gets seen? (this is my whole point, by the way, is that you're complaining, rather than participating; and, I think you'd have a better appreciation for reddit if you participated just a little more deeply than commenting on things you like and complaining about those you don't).

Because in a defeatist way, I don't think my one upvote matters much on what gets to the main page, so I just hope the Reddit collective does the rest.

But I understand the rest of your point as well, I just am only commenting on this, I didn't ignore your whole post.

edit;

And I don't mean to imply the rest of your post isn't important, basically just saying noted, and commenting on that part.

Someone once linked the study (which reddit has done), but perhaps this might change your perspective just knowing it as a point to ponder, even without me spending 6 or 8 hours digging up the citation.

Votes in the early stages of a submissions life are far more impactful than votes later on (your one downvote isn't going to remove something from the front page once it's gotten there, but... your one downvote might prevent something from ever getting there in the first place if it's cast in the new queue).

My browser messes up a lot, I added an edit that I hope you'll see.

I understand your point, truthfully, I guess my bigger 'wish' more so than 'complaint' is that I wish more people could research the stories they see, rather than blindly follow them.

There are certainly stories that are accurate, but more people need to follow the motto; "question everything" even posts on here.

Just a follow-up on my point about voting early. I found this in the /new queue just a moment ago and made the exact same point there that I was making here (i.e., I'm reiterating my point that this was not a personal issue specifically with you. It's an ongoing complaint of those who don't understand how. reddit. works.) Check it out...

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/u21oi/you_have_to_wonder/c4rnvg2?context=3

Yeah I understand, and honestly, you've been the only user to really explain anything remotely civilly. Everyone else just kinda foams and can't even explain a thing on their own behalf.

Sometimes the simplest points are the hardest to get across.

To me, what I've explained is (after 3 years of redditing) pretty rudamentary. I didn't understand it all on day one, though.

And, sometimes, it takes a long interaction (like this one) to get to the heart of the matter.

reddit is a gigantic shit sifter.

In order for it to work optimally, everyone should take a few minutes, every time they login - either before or after surfing their favorite subs, to surf the new queue of those subs and influence the direction they're going (to combat those who are destroying it by submitting shit).

I'm glad we made progress. Maybe next time you see someone who doesn't understand reddit, you can help them "get it" a little better. (pay it forward, so to speak).

Peace

Gotcha, I just think people (me included) get a little agitated at how many threads just make them facepalm :|

Not sure where all those downvotes came from while I was asleep.

However, as I said before, I think you (and those other people) come here with a predisposition ... a prejudice of some sort. This then taints your interpretation of every headline and every comment. You're looking for something to make yourself feel smarter, or better, or less crazy, or whatever,... than other people. This doesn't just happen in r/conspiracy, though. It happens everywhere. And, it's most common among new group members who haven't acclimated to the social climate.

Don't worry... if you stay here long enough, you'll be saying crazy shit that other people facepalm about. It happens to pretty much everyone who comes here thinking they're "not as crazy as" what's going on here. Then, later, they find out (through some serious eye-opening discoveries) that they were crazy for mocking this data stream in the first place. (keep in mind what Clifford Stoll said about data, though: "Data is not information, information is not knowledge, knowledge is not understanding, understanding is not wisdom.")

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/search?count=125&amp;sort=new&amp;after=t3_qprjn&amp;q=kony2012&amp;restrict_sr=on

That should take you to the oldest posts in r/conspiracy about kony2012. Looks like all of them from the outset are "this is a scam" posts. Every. Single. One. i.e., it was never posted here "to scam", but only "reported as a scam".

And, for what it's worth, I did this search once before, not restricted to just r/conspiracy, and there's now a post missing... it was the first posting of the video, before bokmal's and before Perignis' self-post... the very first posting of the video was in r/conspiracy, now removed for whatever reason, and I can't remember the username who posted it, but it was one of the recognizable long-timers who posted it here like Kranky_Old_Dude [not him, but someone like that].