This post in not about opening eyes, but closing them and making people blind.

You sir, don't recognize that we as a people live in a transparent democratic government for the people by the people.

There's no cabal that wants to rule the world. This is very silly. Do you watch cartoon network or something? I remember those 2 rats who plot world domination. Every time someone brings up the 'elite' in a discussion, i remember that funny cartoon show. Good times.

It's alright guys. You're living in a state of paranoia. It's a phase everyone goes through.

I suggest buying medication from big corporations who care for our well being.

Zoloft might be your first choice my friend.

I didn't even see the user name, I just assumed he was being sarcastic.

Damn it man. You make me rage so hard.

Then I am like "Oh you..."

I'm new here. I'm guessing Sheeple is all about the sarcasm?

Is it really so unbelievable that a few friends might get together and form a plan? And if those friends are very wealthy and powerful, that it might affect us regular people. World domination, maybe, but I am not 100% sure. However I know that me and some friends of mine have conspired before, for camping trips and vacations, etc. people do this all the time, and it usually does not have a major effect on many others. In my humble opinion, it doesn't seem that out of the ordinary that someone with a lot of money and power would use that money and/or power to help someone else with a lot of money and power. As a matter of fact it happens all the time. It's called politics.

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He's being sarcastic.

I had hoped

Besides missing ops point is that one thing you're not considering is the mindsets of people that are able to amass such wealth and power being very different from most people. For one they are generally a lot more selfish and demanding of control. A group of people with those trates do not make for a good secret ruling group since they will spend too much time fighting each other for power within it.

You almost tricked me into a downvote. Upvote for you!

Even if this could work you would also have to look at who owns coke and who else do they own. I read a story about a few companies using aborted fetal tissue to test flavor enhancers or something like that. Some of my friends were discussing a boycott of these companies. Anyway Nestle was one of the companies on this list. I know good and well the vast majority of what you buy in a grocery store is Nestle. So they would pretty much have to shop at organic store and/or live on a farm.

These are all nobel ideas, but realistically it's like trying to dent iron with pebbles. I don't want to say we have to lay down and take it, but outside of something coming to light or civil war, we're kind of along for the ride like it or not

I mean... boycotting sodas alone... that would put a sizeable dent in someones pocket.

It would, but if you boycott coke and still buy poweraid or aquafina then coke as a company is still getting money

Edit: if you boycott do it right. That's all I'm saying

I understand what you're saying... and if you reverse the trickle down effect you're going to realize that those middle isles in the grocery store are mostly owned by the same parent companies. So unless people are willing to perimeter shop with reserve... nicking a chunk out of one of the subsidiary groups by boycotting specific products probably isn't a bad idea. To a company, a loss is a loss and if you're boycotting to result in a loss that would do it.

This is true. I haven't looked at it quite that way before.

Not to mention that banks are also large corporate entities, who have more power and money than most other businesses in the world. Nobody is gonna take out all their cash and store it in a safe at home. Should everyone just pull out all their stocks and forget about investments? Society has made us to be reliant on the system.

I am lucky enough to still get a paper paycheck so I have no bank account any more. All I do is cash it at the bank the check is drawn on. I quit dealing with banks as much as I could several years ago.

Your optimism is cute. Ha

And your pessimism is disgusting.

He's absolutely right. The greatest conspiracy of all is learned helplessness (perhaps you wallow in it?). The government doesn't give us our rights, we give the government it's rights. With unity we can not be stopped, and that's why it is so important to divide us on a million different issues...

So get off the Internet and do something about it.

Everything starts with banter my friend...

Too many sheep.

Good luck reprogramming the minds of the general public, you go and tell them to stop buying coke because they pay some country for weapons (not meant literally). Yes, we the people could stop them but so many people are so ignorant to the idea of the corruption in their government they wouldn't do anything.

Move to Iceland.

This is looking more and more like the right option..

I have to agree. The idea that somehow we are going to battle years of brainwashing and the power of the corporate media makes it all feel kind of futile.

But then again, we do have the internet. And I like the thought that an Idea is contagious. You can't stop a good idea.

I think the most effective way to cut the corporate brainwash is to do the V for Vendetta thing and take over a TV station, get a message out to every home every where.

Get a credit union and dump your bank.

It's not about money anymore. TPTB is global now and don't need anything like numbers on its bank accounts.

10 years ago, the mass could have overthrown the government and take back the power, but with new technologies, they don't need us anymore. There are all kind of machines to grow food, a lot of new weapons we could not even imagine.

Do you really think power is determined by some number on a bank account ? Nowadays, power is determined by access to technology. All the money in the world can't buy your liberty.

Barring some incredible, eye-opening, globally significant event which cuts through all the bullshit and could not be spun whatsoever, things are simply going to get ugly.

See that's where I refuse to believe. There will, at some point, occur an event or series of events that create a tipping point of anger and frustration that will at the very least push back the efforts to control the general populace. It won't be a full-scale revolution, but there will be a bit of a balancing out.

That's sort of my point though... how smoothly do you realistically expect this balancing out would go? I don't think it will just be a paper trail...

Not smoothly at all, and that's the only way it can be accomplished - by being not smooth

Hence, "things getting ugly."

When do you predict things to get ugly? Soon™?

I'm sorry but I've been hearing "we're on the edge of something massive" - obviously not in your exact words - nearly my entire life.

I like Lawrence O'Donnell's take on it;

"The bigger and scarier you think something is, likely the smaller and less frightening it actually is."

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Not discrediting you for your opinion or anything. I think we're due for something, but not for another decade and a half~ish in terms of something gigantic. I've just been hearing the same "It's about to get real" quotes since I can remember.

We're likely on the same side of this, just have different predictions, so please don't take this as a huge argumentative tactic.

I must not be as cynical, I expect it, but im certainly not hoping for it.

I am hoping that as a species we can overcome all this garbage, so i remain optimistic :c

If you are saying that we need new solutions to new problems, then I agree. And I think you are on to something. The old methods while still useful must be adapted to a dynamic situation.

I'm with you.

http://www.betterworldshopper.com/ you are welcome.

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I can imagine it. The fact that we're having this conversation on the internet is the beginning of a huge shift toward truth and true freedom. Quetzylcoatyl's back baby, spread the word, make art, read, read, read.

You realize the independent garages buy their fuel from the same sources as the big name one across the road right? The only person you're hurting by switching stations is the francise operator that gets a few pennies per litre you buy.

In Canada petro Canada is nationalized so at least profits are going back to tax payers.

Petro Canada is owned by Suncor Energy now.

F@ck.....we fail.

So get off the Internet and do something about it.

Too many sheep.