Obama:

• renewed patriot act.

• expanded all of bush's policies.

• signed NDAA with the little amendment that allows for the indefinite detention of american citizens without trial.

• allowed the indefinite detention and torture of Bradley E manning.

• oversees drone strikes of women and children.

• said he was going to make the government more transparent, didn't.

• promoted This woman to administrator of the DEA. Bush had hired her, Obama promoted her.

• allows raids on medical marijuana dispensaries.

• supports unmanned aerial drones policing the skies of America.

: : :

this is by no means an exhaustive list

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Obama was the evidence - if anyone still needed it - that the president is controlled rather than in control. I was actually a bit shocked at how quickly Obama morphed into Bush.

but we both agree they're still pawns and not actual people themselves?

They're reptiles. All of 'em.

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interests of humanity

these are not taken into account

all humans would take the interests of humanity into account

therefore, they are all alien reptiles here to exploit the resources of our planet and control the animals of it

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a grim future for all of us.

Please, I want to hear about a happy future, then.

I was actually a bit shocked at how quickly Obama morphed into Bush.

"Morphed into Bush"? I am getting the impression that Obama is Bush's Lost Evil Twin.

Not at all relevant as a response to why Bush was bad.

well actually it is pretty relevant. I'd say it is pretty irrelevant to be mentioning bush at this point unless you you have a political axe to grind.

Not allowed to discuss history, huh? Down the memory hole you go.

Apparently conversations cannot evolve into academically-driven, poignant ones.

Sigh.

The world turns again as another idiot is allowed to breed.

Edit: this just in: "Reddite Takes Offense to Supportive Comment, Supporter Thusly Questions Evolution."

"... And in other news - the sky is blue, water is wet and apologies are more than welcome."

What exactly did Bush do that was so bad?

Obama is bad!

Anytime you want to evolve into a poignant academic, feel free.

What exactly did Bush do that was so bad? Obama is bad!

Obama is Bush 2.0. That was the point of my post.

1 - I don't believe I've ever responded with anything that trite. Take a few breaths, bud - you're chewing on the wrong person's head here.

2 - my comment was in support of your former.

3 - the collocation you've asserted, while mildly witty, doesn't really do you any justice, mon frere.

Try cruising life/reddit with a sunny disposition. You'll have so much more fun!!!!!!

i really don't think you understand that obama is just bush with a better tan...

or don't you guys understand that the policies bush put in place are the policies that obama is nailing shut on our coffins...

same guy, slightly different skin color, definitely the dark one is more eloquent.

same guy. period. (same corporate masters)

Pretty sure that indefinite detention clause was removed

source?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/indefinite-military-deten_n_1308129.html

Surprised Obama's staff didn't do a good job of letting people know he did this.

I think you should throw a couple things in there that mean nothing and or were done by the previous president like the OP did.

Repealed indefinite detention from NDAA.

OH. MY. GOD.

It's almost like sitting presidents (and most politicians in general) do not represent the people who supposedly are represented by the electoral college that elects them.

Politics is conspiracy... if not for the majority, certainly for those who failed to get their candidate elected.

<insert sudden-moment-of-clarity-clarence and conspiracy-keanu and matrix-morpheus advice animals>

So Bush gets a pass because Obama has his share of fuck ups?

"If the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts." George H.W. Bush

I've always wanted to find the origins of this quote, but my searches just take me from one random quote site to a conspiracy site to a quote site.

Does anyone have a clip or an actual attribution of this?

No but it was at the time when they sent Colin Powell to the U.N to make his famous lies.

Which is exactly why I've always wanted to find the source.

Its just too... perfect of a quote, especially from a president. I literally cannot imagine a time that such a statement would publicly come from a president's mouth, at least in this context.

A bombshell like this should be easily attributable.

This entire thread needs to be on r/politics.

Most of us believe that he was a complete fuckhead and still remains one. Most people who perpetuate a contradictory view of Bush won't cruise this sub.

Well, r/politics is so heavily censored the post would get beaten with hammers and then dumped in the river.

Not necessarily, especially as a crosspost. /r/politics isn't censored with any weight against certain subreddits, or shifty agents, it just gets a whoooole lotta shit posted to it, constantly.

Well, I personally, and other Redditors, have had posts here removed by conservative mods, that were not in violation of rules but which went against the personal beliefs of the mod. We see enough of that to know it exists.

That further promotes a fair, unbiased Reddit. That will, undoubtedly, come with time.

I wonder if the quote was meant to be taken more as "we essentially created terrorism by accident, we never thought about the blowback of our actions. We messed up royally."

So he wasn't actually admitting to sinister secret actions but saying that what they thought were positive actions for the country created a whole mess that if the American people knew about, they'd be outraged that that they hadn't accounted for the consequences.

I know this type of stuff isn't usually accepted here but I think it's important to think about things from all sides and see if there is an equally as rational explanation without there being a conspiracy. Hanlon's Razor, if you will.

Again, this is exactly why I really, really, REALLY want to see attribution.

We need context, if this is in fact an actual quote.

Hey, let me know if you find it, but honestly it seems like a fake.

George H.W. Bush wasn't president in 2003.

No one said he was.

that said h.w. not w., so no.

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Honestly I'm not sure. It really is all over the place, I just wasn't able to find any actual attribution.

Did he actually say this?

As far as I know, yes.

"...if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched."

• George HW Bush in an interview with Sarah McClendon, December 1992

Grandfather Prescott Bush was part of a backfired attempt to put a Quaker marine named Smedly Butler at the head of a fascist coup financed by a large number of undiscovered conspirators.

Ah, yes. The Business Plot, otherwise known as the Plot Against FDR.

No, he wasn't. That idea came from a complete misunderstanding of this BBC program back in 2007. If you listen to the whole program, it doesn't say that Bush had anything to do with the Business Plot.

What it says is that Bush was a director of the Hamburg-America line, and that this company was investigated for Nazi ties by the same committee that investigated the Business Plot.

Here is everything that was said about Bush in that program:

Later in the McCormack-Dickstein report, a shipping company called Hamburg-America Line was accused of providing free passage to Germany to American journalists willing to write favorable copy on Hitler's rise to power. The company is also alleged to have brought Nazi spies and pro-fascist sympathizers into America. John Buchanan has studied this latest section of the report and has discovered that one of the company's managers came from a very famous family. "The thing that surprised me most was to discover in the documents of this company that Hamburg-America Lines had, in fact, been managed on the U. S. side at the executive level by Prescott Bush as part of a web of Nazi business interests that were all seized in late 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act by the U. S. Congress and Prescott Bush is the grandfather of the sitting President of the United States." [John Buchanan]

Of course, at the time it was perfectly legal to have dealings with Hitler's Germany. Prescott Bush was not called to account for this until America entered the war.

Oh please. If there was a fascist Coup de gras at that time, the Bush family was certainly involved. Most, if not all of the main actors were Masons, and/or Skull & Bones...

Make foie gras, not coup-de-gras.

And certainly not coup d'état.

LoL

He also helped finance the nazis after we had entered the war.

do you happen to have the text of the interview? this is one of these quotes that are very hard to verify and yet all over the internet.

Proof or it didn't happen.

Define "proof". And if you use words like credible, and source, define them as well.

Proof - Evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.

Evidence - The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Hearsay - 1. Information received from other people that cannot be adequately substantiated; rumor. 2. The report of another person's words by a witness, usually disallowed as evidence in a court of law.

I wanted your definition of proof. Not some Merriam Webster bs. Some people consider rawstory.com evidence, and "proof". Others don't. See what I'm getting at?

I see you're trolling and I bid you farewell and I wish you luck on your endeavors.

Sorry, but you'd get taken more seriously if your pseudonym weren't "lonely_nigger." Try "noam_chomsky" next time.

You! I like you.

Edit: haters gonna hate. Lol love it!

Define, "define" while you're at it.

Better late than never.

I always heard this quote was regarding UFOs, during his tenure as the head of the CIA

Research the Bush family and the connection to the drug trade and pedophilia rings... if you're 'awake and aware', you'll be able to put things together.

I'm familiar with all of that, and with his fathers misdeeds as well.

No student loans for drug possession convicts AKA potheads

No, man. Clinton did this. I remember when he did it and I was really pissed about the hypocrisy of it. If Clinton had needed student aid and got caught "not inhaling" then he would have been ineligible for student loans....but then again he didn't need them.

From your article:

In 1998, Congress amended the Higher Education Act of 1965 to restrict eligibility for federal financial aid to students who have been convicted of certain drug charges under federal or state laws.

Bush didn't take office until 2001.

On October 7, 1998, President Clinton signed into law the Higher Education Amendments of 1998 (Pub. L.105-244) that amended the Higher Education Act of 1965 (HEA).

http://ifap.ed.gov/dpcletters/doc0502_bodyoftext.htm

thanks for the correction. I suppose I could edit it to say "didn't overturn this obviously bullshit bullshit".

word.

Not only bumbled Katrina but sent Blackwater in and kept aid workers out for a few days immediately following Katrina. So what really happened during those first few days?

actually, Blackwater deployed their men without a government contract after Katrina and only received the contract a few days after they were already stationed there.

That's right, a private organization took it upon itself to deploy mercenaries with military grade weaponry onto American soil after a national disaster without first securing a government contract for their deployment.

Source

... cue cointelpro responses:

"swamp gas"

Could be the first time that has ever been used accurately.

He also rejected Cuba's offer of medical support.

I haven't read any of the links above, I don't like Bush (I'm an anarchist in fact) and I stay out of the political controversy surrounding that natural disaster. My question is, what did Bush do and/or bumble with Katrina? It seems obvious that he didn't cause the hurricane, so I'm suspecting that it has something to do with the response. Do you believe that it's the role of the federal government to response to every natural disaster? Did Bush only fail in New Orleons or did he fail all along the coast and with every person?

Like I said, I'm an anarchist and I think people treat the government too much like an omnipotent god.

I haven't read any of the links above

My question is, what did Bush and/or bumble with Katrina?

Maybe read the links above?

OK, there was a link for "bumbling Katrina" which linked to wikipedia. The gist it appears is that the federal government is responsible for responding to natural disasters. Again I don't like Bush, but I don't think this is a fair criticism.

New Orleons is a city that is below sea level and therefore a problem waiting to happen. The state government is the one that is responsible for preparing for these types of emergencies, because the federal government can't individually tax these people for living in such a dangerous city.

New Orleons

Orleans.

You are comparing reality to your fantasy utopia, and then getting mad because reality does not line up.

The facts on the ground are: we have a FEMA, it is supposed to organize shit like this, Bush was president and appointed a dumb motherfucker to run FEMA.

Arguments about the worthiness of such a system are beside the point.

it is supposed to organize shit like this

Thats not true though. If you look at the details of FEMA, they are not responsible for everything in a natural disaster, but rather as support. The primary responsibility still remains with the state governor. If someone should be criticized, it's the governor.

Also I find it ironic that you want to criticize me for not living in reality in r/conspiracy and while you're trying to make Bush out to be the anti-christ.

If someone should be criticized, it's the governor.

Right. This list is about Bush. Bush appointed a moron to the head of FEMA. FEMA is the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

it's the governor

Katrina hit more than one state. This is why FEMA exists.

Katrina hit more than one state. This is why FEMA exists.

FEMA simply can't respond better than a state system though. There are limits to the number of personnel a federal agency can bring in from out of state to help. The best thing that FEMA can do to help most of the time is to provide a few administrative and logistical tasks and monetary support.

Bush appointed a moron to the head of FEMA

So how was Bush supposed to know that this was not the best person? This means that the worst criticism is that he's a bad judge of character.

Digging a bit deeper, you'll find the decision on Iraq to be the cause. That money could have kept America in line as a first world country. Is he bad? What an understatement! He set our country back more than any of us can individually fathom.

"Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars."

http://www.alternet.org/story/24871/

Don't waste time arguing with an agent

Do Obama's list next.

Already working on it. :D

The similarities are shocking.

Thank you for this. It's important to remember.

A REAL FEMA camp director would mention that he built the FEMA camps.

True. But I have a job to protect.

The sad part is this it just the tip on the iceberg, the entire bush family and every president since at least Lincoln, exempting Kennedy near the end were/are horrible, treasonist, criminals who have destroyed the freedoms of as many people across the world as possible.

Before Lincoln even. Andrew Jackson gave the middle finger to the Supreme Court and toture-walked Native Americans to their death so his buddies could get some cheap land.

Although, I do have to say that his refusal to re-enact the National Bank charter was a good decision. Funny that his picture is now on the $20 bill....

But you'd still want to have a barbecue with him, right? Isn't that what really matters? Who cares if he's stupid and corrupt enough to sign off on raping a few billion people? He's affable... you can aff him.

why is there nothing here of the aquifer they bought and new president they installed in paraguay?

I think the most revealing thing about Junior was how he sold his Texas ranch for a gated mansion as soon as he left office. Why spend all that time clearing brush (remember they built an office there so he could say he was working, and not on vacation) only to sell the property the minute you no longer need to pretend to be a cowboy? Also, notice he has never been seen in a cowboy hat again. This proves everything about the man is staged. The entire family is lying liars.

Cleaning brush is hard work. It probably exhausted him,,lol

That was only thing he knew how to do. You never saw him doing anything else. That shows how shallow he is. Worst than Reagan

Probably needed to live in a gated community for security reasons.

His ranch was very secure. They even built a situation room to act as the Oval office, as he was rarely in DC. The ranch in Crawford was purchased for the election of 2000, it was a prop. Like in the movies. Fake, orchestrated to make you think Bush is just a normal guy in a cowboy hat clearing brush, everyday. Once that image was no longer needed, he sold his prop and moved into a gated community. Nothing a Bush does should be taken at face value. If they are hugging little african kids for cameras, you can be sure it is for another reason. Either to scrub their image, or perhaps even to just place them somewhere so as not to be suspected of involvement elsewhere. They are disgusting people, leeches to society, and have been for the better part of a century.

Exactly!

iThe Katrina " bumble" was a ruse to get rid of the Posse Comitatus Act.

It was successful.

go on, I'm listening.

The president doesnt run the country, you are wasting your time playing partisan popularity contests.

He certainly ran the country when as "the decider" he went into a needless war that diverted money for much needed improvements to our infrastructure.

No he did not make those decisions, the president does not run anything.

Good day.

You're right, but he is the person we appoint the responsibility to. If we don't blame him, we have no one to blame at all. Truth is, we need to START with holding the president accountable and move out to find the real seeds of power and start holding them accountable.

At this time, there is no way for us to hold them accountable. A nation of 300+ million doesnt hand its decision making over to a new person every 4-8 years, and the people who really make the decisions will always hide themselves behind talking heads so that they can never be held accountable.

You're mostly right. But if we truly believe that the system is unable to be changed, then why care at all? Why come to this subreddit? Why not pad yourself in your own comfortable microverse, and damn the rest of it?

this is /r/conspiracy not /r/Positivity lol

great post

And, having grown up overseas, made every American seem like a close-minded, ignorantly patriotic, self-serving, dumb jackass. That was the source of a lot of bullying for me.

Many of these are just opinions he had and things that actually had no effect on anything. Condemning someone for victimless crimes like doing coke is pretty absurd imo. Comprehensive list? More like exaggerated and drawn out list. That being said, Bush Jr was a pretty fucking terrible human being that played a crucial role into turning the US to the pseudo growing facsist/communist slave state that we see today.

This is fine list and a good job.

Never forget and do not forgive.

negroponte yo

Said Amuurika should be in there somewhere.......

nucular

fool me once......

people need to put food on their families...

Is our children learnin'?

by the way, hahahahahaa! food on their families. I hadn't heard that one. Sigh, I can't wait for the Obama post comparable to this one.

I don't have a good quote, I'd like to point out his daughters though....... no explanation needed.

Excellent point about "the twins". This video will help explain.

"I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office."  GWB: Washington, May 12, 2008

You left out torture, and the destruction of the constitution and the bill of rights. As bush said about the constitution, "It's just a goddamn piece of paper."

Bastard. Traitor.

But so is Obama. Or Bush would be in jail right now.

Is there a source for that quote?

In December 2005, a long-time friend who worked in the Bush White House tipped me on a meeting the President had with some top GOP leaders. During that meeting, a worried Republican aide told Bush that the USA Patriot Act represented a threat to the Constitution.

Bush, whose temper is always close to the surface, exploded:

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!"

After confirming the story with two other White House sources, I published it on December 10, 2005. http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/17689

Certainly everything he did as president is consistent with this. So I believe it.

That's hardly a source.

Just read that article, for christ's sake! The author himself says that he just heard it from a friend, and later on down in the article he says something that amounts to "fuck you guys, our stories are true! How dare you ask us for a verifiable source! Our hearsay is fact, screw you!"

I don't consider Doug Thompson to be a journalist in any sense. From this article I see he has no regard for the truth, and will believe anything as long as it supports his worldview.

This supposed "quote" remains without a good source, and I see no reason to believe it.

That's not what he said. He said he got it from a white house source and it was confirmed by two other sources.

In December 2005, a long-time friend who worked in the Bush White House tipped me ...After confirming the story with two other White House sources, I published it on December 10, 2005.

Yet later, he retracted the story. Other journalists have pointed out that his sources are still unconfirmed and the claim remains unsubstantiated.

So now he's back, what, because he thinks people won't point out his bullshit?

I don't think he retracted it or it still wouldn't be on his site without a mention of the retraction.

This site claims that he had removed the statement from his site at one point, but has since reposted it.

Of course not. It's r/conspiracy

http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/bush-the-constitution-a-goddamned-piece-of-paper/

Republican.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/17689

Capitol Hill Blue is the best source for toilet paper.

The author of your article has also said...

I started taking more chances with stories, jumping on ones with sketchy sources, always trying to outdo the last "big" story. I had people willing to help me and they would send me info that I used often on their word alone.

. . . I wrote stories based on emails from sources I never met. I would meet self-proclaimed "important people" in out-of-the way bars, taking what they told me at face value. Washington is a breeding ground for phonies and wannabes. Too often I printed what they told me because I was so full of myself that I was sure it was true and did not require further verification.

Every president does horrible things, no one pays attention for the most part.

The socialist cell phone plan was begun under Bush. Not sure why they are called Obamaphones.

I especially like the one about Cheney/halliburton.

Cheney lies about his financial ties to Halliburton and then, when caught:

"He has pledged to give after-tax proceeds of the stock options to charity."

IE: He's just using his compensation from the company he had improper relations with to pay his taxes.

Hey man ! He like......is too stupid to have actually masterminded most of these things. In all honesty, he was most likely just the face of the group who wished to accomplish the things you listed.

The Bushes get around: two Presidents, a VP and CIA Director, a Gov. of Texas, Jeb the Gov. of Florida where the vote was contested... Then there's Marvin Bush, the guy in charge of Twin Tower security on 9/11. Then there's George W. Bush’s cousin, Judge John M. Walker of the 2nd Circuit of the United States Court of Appeals, who is part of a three-judge panel hearing the case of April Gallop vs. former vice-president Dick Cheney, former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Richard Myers. Also, George W.'s grandfather, Prescott Bush, not only made money supporting Hitler's rise to power, he also aided an attempt to bring Nazi-style fascism to America.

Dead on!

Bush and his father are responsible for the deaths of over two million Iraqis. They are responsible for the wounding and injuries of between four and five million. When I think of the Butcher of Bagdad, I don't think of Saddam, I think of the Bush crime family.

Most presidential vacations in history...until Obama. At least that's what I heard I don't have a source.

It looks like this idea started to take root back in 2010. At that time bush had over 1000 vacation days and Obama's most recent number was 26. I couldn't find any more recent numbers for obama.

Here's the story http://www.politicususa.com/obama-bush-vacation.html

Some more numbers here: http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/president-obamas-vacation-days/

The numbers do vary depending on how they're counted. For example, some people don't count trips to camp david when other politicians are there since that's business. Some people don't count any camp david visits, others count all of them. Either way you count it, it seems like bush might still have more. Frankly, who cares who had more vacation time... the results are the important thing.

thanks for researching this.

1000? really now.

You are really gonna let that "1000" stand? 'At this time' that would mean he spent pretty much -every- day in vacation. You are the problem.

'At this time' that would mean he spent pretty much -every- day in vacation.

Not sure where you learned math, but 1000 days of vacation over 8 years would be less than 1/3 of his time on vacation. That's no where near "every" day.

"At this time" would seem to mean a similar point in the administration term. Otherwise the comparison is stupid as fuck from the start. So, ~3.6 years, 1000 days. You see the problem?

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The Blaze as a source? Really?

Might as well provide a scan of a scribbled napkin.

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Wow. Got much hate?

I don't worship anything but myself, for one. For the other, your crude ideas are just that - crude. Your attempt to make yourself feel better than someone by degrading others is clearly indicative of two things

1.You hate yourself 2.You're unimaginative and stupid

Also, I'll bet you're a quiet, meek fool in your real life. This is the only place you have to vent. Poor fucktard.

"hey i know i don't have a fucking clue what i'm talking about, but, I'm going to throw this bullshit out there like its fact because it backs up my beliefs" in the immortal words of MJ "That's ignorant, you're ignorant"

Well i thought it was pretty harmless considering there are much more important reasons to dislike Obama.

look , as someone who firmly believes in the validity of many so called conspiracy theories, THIS is what pisses me off, people who run their mouths without facts, or those who always take it that step too far that takes away credibility.... take alex jones in his bohemian grove documentary, good crazy shit, video to back it up.... but when hes standing outside screaming we respect your dark powers into a megaphone, regardless of what happens at bohemian grove, that destroys some credibility

what did he do! would take less words!

He listened to his staff and from the information he was given believed going to war was the right thing to do it's too easy to blame Bush he is just a figurehead for a ruling party hes part of a group not a lone assasin

It was his responsibility to read r/conspiracy before assuming the role of president! Then he would have known!

he's still an plonker though :-)

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No, it's just when people think in such simple terms while ignoring a fuck load of other critical issues like the NDAA, this might give people the wrong impression.

The impression that things ARE that simple and cut and dry. It may give people the impression that their rights and freedoms have NOT been stripped from them. It may give people the idea that Bush and presidents before him were BETTER.

What a steaming pile.

Define "proof". And if you use words like credible, and source, define them as well.

1000? really now.

thanks for researching this.

He certainly ran the country when as "the decider" he went into a needless war that diverted money for much needed improvements to our infrastructure.

Before Lincoln even. Andrew Jackson gave the middle finger to the Supreme Court and toture-walked Native Americans to their death so his buddies could get some cheap land.

Although, I do have to say that his refusal to re-enact the National Bank charter was a good decision. Funny that his picture is now on the $20 bill....

You are really gonna let that "1000" stand? 'At this time' that would mean he spent pretty much -every- day in vacation. You are the problem.