Don't know, but I can tell you that most of the adults I've known that grew up on Ritalin had to continue medicating themselves in some way. Drugs, drinking - they were accustomed to life in an altered state, and couldn't stop.

I have a friend who was on Ritalin all the way up to high school. He finally quit, and he went through some of the WORST withdrawals I ever seen in my life. We played together in a band at the time, and he would just stop drumming in the middle of a song and have a thousand yard stare on his face. He is a devout Christian, so other drugs were out of the question for him. It was a pretty bad time.

I used to take ritalin when I was younger, and can confirm this as 100% accurate in my case. It has not yet become a serious problem in my life but I definately worry about the future sometimes.

fuck ridalin, there is an epidemic in colleges called adderal, its fucking amphetamine, the generic name is d-amphetamine combo.

Yes, alot of people I know would take adderal so they could just speed and speed while working long shifts.

Gotta compete with the Chinese, dontcha know? They have higher average IQs and outnumber us 4:1. We can't all be Nazi supermen working long hours with great ADDing skills without a little help. Mæth was Hitler's drug of choice, and he nearly conquered the whole world using sheer willpower alone.

(Remember, kids. Drugs are bad for you and the country is run by lunatics. Stay safe.)

Doping kids is fucking stupid. If you put chemicals into the brain every day, the brain is going to get fucked up. Become dependent on the chemicals, become changed by the chemicals, just get screwed up. There are numerous groups who are trying to drug the US. These groups include people inside the US and outside of it.

Desoxyn, a prescribed treatment for ADHD is simply pure methamphetamine. So I guess it only ruins lives and destroys people when it's sold on the streets, not when it's prescribed in the exact same form to kids and adults.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desoxyn

Holyshit, you're right! I could have sworn you were wrong, and that it wasn't METHamphetamine, but rather just a regular amphetamine. Low and behold, it's the exact same shit sold on the streets!

Yep! There is chemically ZERO difference, it's the exact same product it carries the exact same risks for you (not including legal obviously.) It's just nicely branded, prescribed and sold at a massive markup. Hypocrisy at its finest people. Dangerous if sold on the streets, A OK to prescribe to kids who may only get it because they don't focus that well in school. This is the world we live in.

Its obviously not Scheldule I if its a prescribed medicine. It, like cocaine, are both legal in rare cases.

I'm sorry you're right, it's Schedule II my mistake.

Consider this, Marinol is Sch III and I believe most benzos are sch IV, maybe III but still its very very off. And there are tons of times adhd meds and anxiety meds are combined which is terrible.

Well street meth is also mixed improperly with all kinds of nasty impurities that cause more problems.

Same reason krokodil causes horrific side effects that Desomorphine does not.

I dont know any facts or figures but i was perscribed adderall for ~6 months. Took 40 mgs a day. I couldnt eat, couldnt sleep, i itched at my head so much scabs started to form and started picking at those. (ive been off adderall for about 3 years now and i still pick at scabs on my head.) i became serverely under weight, depressed, disturbed. Killed two pet rats i had (not on purpose, just when you stop eating you forget other things need food) after that i requested therapy and never took the shit again. And all this was when i was 13. Ive been on soooo many antideps/adhd meds/mood stabilizers. Theyve fucked me up so bad, effected the things i love to do, that i swore all scripts off and now stick to medicating with weed. TL;DR all amphetamines do the same shit. And it's awful. You turn into a zombie who only wants to work.

Wow dude. That is fucked.

Alright there mate, I hear your story. Have you tried St John's Wort? Up there with weed as one of God's gifts, if you ask me. 6 weeks to take full effect & withdrawal is non-existent if you solve the issues behind the need. The fun thing about the SJW is that it doesn't sacrifice any part of you like the SSRIs, amphetamines, etc, I'm sure you know what I mean.

It's like its job is to make your life-force stronger, if that makes any sense? Increase your chi levels, to help that way, instead of hacking off a part of your soul & hoping that's the defective bit. Plus, if you're an American, or someone else who doesn't have access to state healthcare, that stuff is cheap, if you get the powder, it works out at $25 for 6 months supply.

Self-medicating with weed isn't sustainable & good luck xxx

Why isn't self-medicating with weed "sustainable"?

Sorry for the late reply my friend, only just got your message. I would argue that heavy usage of any recreational substance is only going to be detrimental to one's noggin over the long term, if someone is depressed, weed deals more with the symptoms than the cause.

With St John's Wort, the solution is deeper, it increases one's light, without negative effect. When that happens, weed consumption can go way down, because what one is feeding with the drug isn't so greedy any more.

I am by no means anti-cannabis, I'm for all out legalisation, but with any drug, if you do it every day, there is a deeper issue at hold & patching that over with weed may make one cope, but it's not good for you. I believe that the solution is to take those issues on at the core, that power is within each and every one of us.

The narrative round these parts, that weed is a wonder drug for everything is pretty much totally true, but the dark side of this line of thinking is that it is harmless & that simply isn't true.

Meditation, running, yoga, St John's Wort, these are the tools which help one deal with many of the less severe forms of mental illness which stalk this world. A clear mind is essential to navigate the horrors & the beauty all around us.

Much love, partiale

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It is a vegetable...

Just like alcohol is just a drink, right?

Marijuana is anti-viral, anti-inflammatory, anti-cancer, antimicrobial, as well as a neuroprotectant.

No argument from me here, I totally agree. That's not the point.

not even spiritually

Sure, when you're high, your pathways shine, but afterwards it has a real habit of clogging things up. It's really useful for showing energy channeling & the like, but these things can be done, also, without external help, it comes from within.

Doing any drug daily is an addiction, which in its self is negative towards health. Using it to deal with mental issues (which was the point I was making originally) only makes sense if there's a point down the road when the problems can be fixed. I don't believe that you have to be hooked on a substance (whether it be SSRIs, weed, booze, cocaine, butterfly homicide, or whatever) all your life due to something deep & dark within, depression is a curable condition.

If you're happy in the first place, then none of this counts, if you can honestly look long & hard into the very depths of your soul & see only light, then fucking good work. But if we're talking about using drugs as anti-depressants, then there's a different matter, then there must be a path towards healing, towards being free.

If my reading of your username is correct, 'fiendishness' is not a healthy state of mind, it implies need. The funny thing about addiction is that we play these games with ourselves to justify them, but in our hearts we know we're lying. Where does the fiendishness come from, asks random internet person?

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Can I start by saying sorry? I am sometimes what is known as a dickhead & I get things really wrong sometimes... I hear your story, your obviously someone who's very strong who's been through more than is fair on anyone. As a fellow pre-teen big-pharma fuck-up (and hyphen addict), my heart goes out to you.

I really, really don't care that you see my use of marijuana as a crutch.

Again, you've got a good point here, what "I" think is pretty much irrelevant all the time anyway, let alone talking with someone I don't know online. We all do what we have to do, what I look out for is people in their early twenties, who get stressed out about these conspiracies & have this 420 4 EVA! attitude, because there're a lot of unhappy people around these subjects, I want to help, maybe share some paths which could be fruitful, but what (the bleep?) do I know? You sound weighed down by the world (er, join the club) & I'll only do it again this one time, the st john's wort is lightening, what's 6 weeks & $20? Worth a try. It's one of the natural medicines which really works, which sounds like it might be an area of interest for you.

Oh, and you don't like the idea of getting the cancer? You caught the cyanide theory? There was that chap around 120 years ago, who was curing cancer left, right & centre with apricot stones? I really hope apple pips keep me safe, as they may have just enough cyanide to be good for you, as it were.

Our spirits are indomitable, it does not matter what we do to them, they only get stronger.

I'll remember that one, I hope that in this life or next, we randomly end up sharing a smoke.

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I think you've got it with the vitamin b17, I just take a passing interest in such things, if you're after a giggle, check this piece out over at the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/festival_of_science/913463.stm

I particularly like how it's a really new discovery, which only recently someone figured out how to profit from it...

That's some serious list you're on there, do you notice the difference? I'm really interested in trying some new things out, I believe we've got to be strong, really strong for the coming whateverthefuck & there really seems to be something in a lot of these things. What's your full list? I might have to start working through some of it.

Re: Being a dickhead, erm, well, I wasn't talking about what I said, it's more about what I left on your computer. The CIA said they'd be round at dawn. :p

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It's meant as a joke, I haven't hacked into your computer & left incriminating things in there, honest! 'Jokes' make my world a better place, and hopefully a few other people too.

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Strangely, it's a sign of friendliness round these (British) parts, to make jokes like that, it's one of the big differences between us & our American brethren. Yay cultural exchange? :)

Thank goodness you had the sense to quit. So sorry you, and your family fell into the trap that is modern psychological medicine. You're doing the right thing now, the mmj is all you ever needed.

Its obviously not Scheldule I if its a prescribed medicine. It, like cocaine, are both legal in rare cases.