Not listen to a nutjob like Arpaio would be a start.

Seconded.

Links would be nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alVzyfptF80

I hate how an attempt to discuss this is always derailed into a racism thing. No one gives a fuck what race he is. He can't be President if he wasn't born here. Period.

edit: Oh wow, it already happened in this thread. Typical.

ALSO: You care deeply about the Constitutional provision of requirements for president.

Maybe you care about the 8th Amendment, but Joe Arpaio doesn't, you probably can't name what it is, and Arpaio didn't give two fucks about Bush/Cheney violating it for 7 years.

Typical.

It's nice that you think that, and you can make all the assumptions you want, but that's all irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

The discussion at hand is about Constitutional requirements.

You should check out a copy of the Constitution sometime.

Show me all the other demands for birth certificates from any other presidential candidate.

McCain was born in Panama. Supposedly on a military base. But where was the scrutiny of his birth certificate?

Palin bragged that her family in Idaho routinely traveled to Canada to steal "free health care". How do we know her mother didn't travel to Canada to give birth?

No scrutiny of anyone else but the Negro. Typical.

Did it ever occur to you that some lobbyists DID raise concern over such possibilities, but the paper trail checked out and did not show tremendously obvious signs of editing, and were subsequently quietly dropped due to lack of evidence proving non-citizenship?

Did it ever occur to you that every candidate put forth by the left/right was actually ineligible by design in order to give us something entirely unimportant to bitch and moan about while a rapid loss of liberty occurs?

No, All that occurred to you is that if someone is racist, the race they hate is incapable of committing a crime, because racism.

Facts != opinions.

Please provide any proof of that statement. ANY.

Which statement?

Edit: In a very chilling moment of my life, I realized I could not provide evidence that facts are, in fact, not opinions.

and were subsequently quietly dropped due to lack of evidence proving non-citizenship?

I think if you watch the video there is a lot of questions raised and evidence submitted.

"All that occurred to you is that if someone is racist, the race they hate is incapable of committing a crime"

Quote me. I'm calling you out. Show me where I said anything like the above statement.

I'm calling it racist to question one single candidate's birth certificate, when there is no evidence that any other candidate's birth certificate was ever questioned in our lifetime, and when the party in question making the accusation has an historical track record of "The Southern Strategy".

Putting words in my mouth like you did is childish, projecting your own stereotype of your perception of an anti-racist onto someone who said no such thing.

In fact, read all of my comment history and see if you can find one single positive comment about Obama. He might as well work for the Bush Family. The "Birth Certificate" bullshit is more likely a CIA smokescreen to discredit legitimate inquiry into Obama's background. And racist assholes are the CIA's biggest asset in perpetuating their cover.

But just as with Clinton, attacking a president for a blow job instead of indicting him for signing NAFTA & GATT & eliminating Glass-Steagall is a full-of-shit method of impeachment.

Maybe you're the one who is unable to differentiate & makes sweeping generalizations against others.

Sorry I am late, but I am more than happy to show you how wrong you are.

Lets talk hypocrisy.

You throw a fit because I put words into your mouth; meanwhile, in the comment I was responding to, you claim to know the motives behind my thoughts.

So I feel more than happy dismissing your challenge with one of my own i should have called you out on before--

Please, show me where I thought the president was not born here because he is black.

Putting words in my mouth like you did is childish, projecting your own stereotype of your perception of a racist onto someone who said no such thing.

In fact, read all of the words I typed in that post and see if you can find one single negative comment about obama. The "Birth Certificate" bullshit is more likely a CIA smokescreen to discredit legitimate inquiry into Obama's background (I pretty much implied this in my post).

I'm a little late to the party but good post. Looks like you have everything under control.

The video speaks for itself.

that is one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me on reddit

OMFG let this dumb birth certificate go. You are almost 4 years into this shit. WTF does it matter? He was the president. In November it will be him or some other money grubbing whore. So Fucking what? Fuck it.

That's the attitude that won us our freedoms from the British. You are a pussy.

OH MY GOD WHERE WAS OBAMA ON 9/11 ?????????????????????

OBAMA MASTERMINDED 9/11 AND MADE REPUBLICANS CREATE NSA DOSSIERS ON EVERY AMERICAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA IS TURNING THE PENTAGON INTO SOCIALISTS FOR HIS TAKEOVER PLOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO????????????????????????

Can you say something less intelligent?

I take my cues from non-geniuses like you.

Honestly, I had higher hopes of intellectuals on here. I'm no genius but most of you people are so tunnel visioned and still caught up in the red/blue paradigm that you wouldn't know you were in an internment camp until they turned the gas on. If you think in the terms of race, religion, left wing vs right, know that you need to let go of EVERY preconceived notion you have. Understand why you have them, release your mind from it's own ego. If that makes you laugh or think I'm a nut job, I can only strongly encourage you to further exam yourself. We are all on this sub/r to find the truth, nothing more. So please, for fucks sake, try to entertain a new idea in your brain. If what was said in the press-conference was true the only thing it proves is that the conspiracy can of worms is officially open (far beyond the president).

For all of you that think I'm a raciest, I defended one of my best friends (who's black) and took criticism from whites and risked my military career and other friendships to support him. I would do anything for that guy and it has nothing to do with him being black, I give no fucks what color your skin is. Shit, if he had good policies, I think Samuel L. Jackson would make one bad as POTUS.

Lastly, I think Romney is an awful person. I'm going to hate having either fuckers in office. I wish I could pack my bags and move to Iceland. They seem to be the only ones in the whole world who are moving in the right direction.

Get over the fact a BLACK GUY is the POTUS?

Are you even fucking kidding me? How do you know that I'm not black? What the fuck does this have to do with race? Absolutely nothing. You must be a fucking idiot because I'm no genius. I almost agree with the NWO in the fact the the world is full of fucking idiot sheepeople that diverse to be put down so that the human race can advance further than reality TV, McDonald's, and fucktards like yourself. Please remove yourself from the gene pool.

Please remove yourself from the gene pool.

Done. Anything else I can be of service?

Educate yourself if you want, don't make stupid assumptions and have a nice day.

Educate yourself if you want

Hang on there, cowboy. I've seen the merit in your comments so far, and tend to agree, even if it's with a HUGE grain of salt. But to buy into the birther nonsense and then turn around and tell someone to educate themselves is quite silly. The only reason the president's birth records are in question is because of the public's penchant for media hype and fluff, evidenced by the fact that it refuses to die. I'd suggest you educate yourself in the ways of American sensibilities and priorities.

Did you even watch the whole press conference?

I don't buy into non-issue birther fluff, sorry. I might not agree with the birther crowd but they'd be more respectable if they'd just admit they are racist.

? Seriously did you watch the video and examine only the evidence? I'm not racist, how dare you say that. I don't even watch tv. For god sake, do your own research.

Just the fact there even was a conference proves that the people behind attacking the president's heritage are grasping at straws. Research? Not necessary. Research is only worthy of real issues. Sheriff Joe is forgetting one thing: His oversized white sheet and cone hat. The birther nonsense is closeted racism, nothing more.

Spoken like an intelligent man. He didn't even do the research....

intelligent man

An intelligent man knows what bullshit is. Go ahead, join the morons who would rather waste their time on nitpicking the president and his birth records. Racist.

You admit that you fail to formulate your own opinion. You calling me a "birther" or simply a "raciest" brings the debate down to a 10 year old level. Honestly, do you not see that? I feel like I'm speaking to a child who rebuttals "my daddy told me so, you're a meanie pop-pop head." Grow the fuck up man. Obviously we can't have a conversation about something that you don't know about....

"raciest" brings the debate down to a 10 year old level.

Learn to spell. Racist.

Swype on my phone sucks... you sound like a bully, i bet you got picked on a lot.

A sceptic formulates their own opinion. A lemming runs with the heard. Open your closed mind.

A lemming runs with the heard. Open your closed mind

You put it best.

I really don't know what to think but you seem to have your mind made up by the media.

Your attempt to sweet talk me over to your deluded dimension with reverse psychology won't work. Now go press your Klan outfit and stop bugging me.

You should educate yourself on computer software, and understand how they came to the conclusion that it was a forgery. They scanned in the document with a text recognition software, that rather than creating an image of the text, it scans the document, creates a new layer for the text on the image, and inserts the text. This creates an effect of apparent layering, which most image editing tools do. Arpaio is a sherrif in Maricopa county, Arizona. He has spent exhorbetent amounts of taxpayer money on this extravaganza, mainly to turn the spotlight off of his prison camps, and the terrible job of policing they are doing in Maricopa County. The guy runs prisons as slave camps. I've seen the prison yards so crowded on 100+ degree days, that if you wanted to turn around, you would be face to face with another inmate. Inmates are loaned out then to corporations and other "employment opportunities".

He is an American Citizen, by birth. Born abroad, born in the states, it doesn't matter too terribly much. People say that it isn't about his citizenship, that it is about honesty. To which I have to reply, it's politics, wtf does honesty have to do with it? They'll lie to you like it was second nature, like breathing. Because there are only two real things politicians care about, and that is Money, and Votes. Thanks to citizens united, corporations are speaking loud and clear what kind of country they want America to be.

Did you even watch the whole press conference?

You got it. Arpaio is violating the 8th Amendment on a regular basis. (For you right-wing fucktards: The 8th Amendment is "No Cruel Or Unusual Punishment").

How better to distract from his Constitutional violations, then by accusing someone else of Constitutional violations?

No, its about his legitimacy about being the president. That is all. Other issues may be important but should not be in this conversation.

"Other issues may be important but should not be in this conversation"

Spoken like a true right-wing authoritarian fascist, dictating what should and should not be spoken about.

Typically, you fail to address why you are concerned about violating one portion of the Constitution, but completely disregard all other violations, exactly as you fail to address concerns for anyone else's birth certificate. Res ipsa loquitur. That speaks for itself.

What you didnt seem to get was i was trying to say this issue is unrelated. Im not right wing, i have never voted for a republican. I was trying to steer the conversation to "point a" you are trying to have a conversation about point b or point a and b and how they relate, which personally i don't think they do. Im trying to talk about the god damn video. You all are so quick to judge me. This is r/conspiracy right?

Please remove yourself from the gene pool.

Done. Anything else I can be of service?

Spoken like an intelligent man. He didn't even do the research....

A sceptic formulates their own opinion. A lemming runs with the heard. Open your closed mind.