I like a good conspiracy as much as the next guy but how could a UN vote on anything overturn the second amendment. There are only three ways I can think of to get rid of the second amendment.

• The united states of American ceases to exist.
• We repeal the second amendment.
• The supreme court of the United States dramatically changes the why they interpret the meaning of the second amendment.

What am I missing?

They don't care, don't you understand? TSA sexually molesting people at the airports isn't constitutional, warantless searches aren't constitutional, spying and wiretapping aren't constitutional, obamacare isn't constitutional, banning assault and bigger weapons isn't constitutional, having to follow regulations isn't constitutional, they just do it.

No one will protect you, not the courts, not the congress, not the supreme court, all these unconstitutional bills are being carried out.

Nothing but upvotes for a voice of reason in r/conspiracy

The UN can't ban guns in the US.....

Obamacare was declared constitutional by the supreme court? Am I missing something?

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Refute him then...

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because thats the point of debate

What makes you think I'm trying to debate him? I'm ridiculing him dope.

55 years ago the Supreme Court ruled that our constitution trumps international treaties and agreements. Unless we amend the constitution they can not take away our rights with the passing of this bill.

Your rights ?? Pickup that can, sheeple, and get back to work ...

Have an upvote and a wallpaper.

Until our Constitution is torn up and people are being mass murdered and jailed I will continue to believe that we as citizens of this country do have rights that are being protected.

You've heard of the boiling frog anecdote, no doubt? The premise is that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. It's a fitting analogy to your comment.

This

Just because I believe we have rights doesn't mean I am ignorant as to what is going on around me. I know things are changing and rights are being taken away in the name of "safety", but that has been going on ever since our country has been founded. Until something cataclysmic happens I will continue to hold onto the belief that our government is looking out for our best interests as an entire nation. That being said I am still skeptical of things that have been done and are being done across the country and the world. Which is why I'm here to begin with.

Until something cataclysmic happens

Like boiling water?

I will continue to hold onto the belief that our government is looking out for our best interests as an entire nation.

You've been given zero reason to believe that to be true, and every reason to believe otherwise.

yeah that last one is REALLY naive

I'd go with hopeful over naive. But everyone has their own opinions and obviously we don't agree here.

We no longer have enough reason to be even hopeful that this country and the powers that be will work in our best interest. We don't.

Naivety is stupid, but even hope at this point that somehow we as a citizenry don't have to do much of anything and somehow all the wrongs that are happening will somehow right themselves is 100% not viable any longer either.

We're at the point where we don't have to sit and wait for the shit to hit the fan. The shit has already begun hitting the fan.

Thing is that it's going to get a lot worse. You have to ask yourself where will we be as a citizenry when it does finally get even worse?

The frog has to wake up and act BEFORE it realizes the water is boiling, because if it decides it should act only after it starts feeling that the water is boiling, it will be too late, and it will already be dead and boiled.

Im sorry, if you have really done research there is no way you can claim the government has our best interests at heart, the interests of the government are those of the bankers and the multinational corporations because they are the same fucking people. Cunts like Cheney effortlessly glide between halliburton and government, Obamney has more Goldman Sachs bankser scum on his board then anyone before him.

How can you seriously claim the iraq war or ANY of these fucking wars are in the interests of the american people? This would mean that the policy makers in the US are mentally retarded, which unfortunately they are not.

The only people that profit from almost ALL major american policies are

A) the clusterfuck of weapons manufacturers nestled comfortably underneath the pentagon, being gorged on a monstrous stream of our money

B) the fucking banker scum that also are fed a disgusting diet of fiat $, only to rape the american people again for the third time in the last hundred years

C)all the fucking perpetrators that profit from the drug war, be that Big pharma, private prisons, LE etc.

c) Israel

Any particular reason it took you two months to type that?

I just discovered my inbox acouple of days ago:-(

The government doesn't grant us rights, nor can they take them away.

They can however, violate them and they have proven this countless times. This is what you should be concerned about, not some piece of paper.

That's right, my friend. Each one of us is sovereign. We are not the chattel-property-strawman that we are told we are. You are not the fictional, all caps name on your birth certificate, property of the Establishment. You are a freeman. It's about time we separate ourselves from our papered versions. :)

FMOTL

Free Man on the Land, indeed :)

Until something cataclysmic happens...

Bro, what the fuck was 911?

Don't be the frog, brother. Don't be the frog. I'm also not saying be some crazy person with a gun shooting shit up and trying to start a stupid riot, of course. What I'm saying is realize that your country is not, nor has it EVER been your country.

You, me, all of us. We've been lied to from the beginning.

Here. Please check this out okay? Listen to it and really take it at heart, because it's not empty rhetoric being spoken here. It's all valid and sound.

That's your idea of a valid and sound? Fascinating.

So you think that a sarcastic and condescending "fascinating" response is warranted when someone says and feels that the ruling class have all but taken over this country and this world and are doing things to it (and us) that are NOT in its (and our) best interest?

Facepalm.

when you post a video like that and call it "valid and sound" yes. It was pathetic.

Yeah, man. Keep boiling. That you think truth is pathetic is not just pathetic, but scary. It's actually frightening to think that people like you exist among the 99%.

Oh well.

Thank you for your emotional and poorly written opinion. You can go away and live your scared life now.

No fear here, frog. No fear here. You're obviously more ignorant than even I suppose, or you're simply trolling. Either way good luck. You'll certainly need it.

Yeah I don't watch a lot of conspiracy YouTube videos, I must be really ignorant.

No. You just don't think much. Your comments continue demonstrating that. That's what makes you ignorant.

Says the butthurt paranoid conspiracy theorist who comes on reddit to source youtube and pretend he's smart? Ouch, you are devastating me.

yeah, I saw Al gore and Glenn Beck use that analogy. Thought it was stupid those times as well.

how about a slow grind? like, you ever try to machine something? on a mill? if you go full depth all at once, reasoning here that you need to make a pretty significant change, you either shatter the bit, or throw the piece.. you have to mill off just as much as you can at a time, too fast and the piece damages the machine, or throws the work right back at you.. too slow and you'll miss the deadline..

the funny thing about both beck and gore is that they were/are pretty wrong timing wise, but their core logic is pretty sound when it comes to the overall(in my understanding, gore pointing out that humans effect their environment on a grand scale, beck that governments with a fiat currency will graft away until obsolescence) .. not that I really think either has anything but a demographic to hustle, but whatever, of no consequence.

theyre all just slippery slope arguments and used to make gullible people afraid.

It's also inaccurate. Frogs will always jump out when the water becomes too warm.

humans will add the vegetables and soup stock themselves.

I disagree. I think this is a case of the slippery slope argument where people insist that if something bad happens it'll just get worse over time (forever, seemingly). In medieval times we would have all been peasants, and although some of you may hyperbolically argue that we still are (because you don't have the rocket-powered jet car that some billionaire has), I'd say the human condition has improved vastly over time.

All in all, now is not that bad of a time to be alive.

Reddiquette please people. Let's use our words to answer true needs, not downvote to oblivion.

That said, what part of wars of aggression isn't mass murder? What part of our prison population isn't mass jailing?

That said if you think rights are protected look more into voter fraud with diebold, corporate ownership and citizens united, and John Gatto on education.

Very well said! The list in your last paragraph is right on point. We need to learn how to express our volition and seek out what we can find as true-living, based on our ability to seek our and make obsolete, the contradictions around us.

I agree the wars are mass murder, but I meant of our own people within our own borders. We've been going to wars since this country was founded and people have always been dying. What we haven't had are mass murders of our own people by our own government.(I know people will say 9/11, but I am not entirely convinced that was us. Though I know a lot of things don't add up.)
The only people I believe are really wrongly imprisoned are non-violent drug offenders, the rest of the people in prison are there for reasons that are completely legitimate.
I will look into the other things you said.

We don't, bro. We don't. Wake up and stop believing in the fairy tale lie. That same level of incredulity will get you enslaved and/or killed.

Maybe that's why DHS has stocked up on ammo and weapons, because they will need it to unarm Americans.

Even the IRS, Department of Education, Census, and a few other entities have purchased firearms with their budgets, especially shotguns. The FBI purchased several Anzio Ironworks 20x102mm cannons; the first of which was set to FY 2010: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=b332080a26cd6f599163b2fada224717&tab=core&tabmode=list

Photos: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c392/imtheflash/weapons/STA70500.jpg http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz252/JeremiahJohnson78/Texas%20trip%20with%20Brodax%20Wildlife%20Solutions%202010/Texas2010closeupZachshooting20mm.jpg

Ammunition compared to a .50 BMG: http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/attachments/general-rifle/38122d1296857973-50-bmg-sissys-phone-pictures-2-018.jpg

These bureaucracies have been slowly militarized over the past three decades, right under our noses.

Trust your gut.

That is a possibility for sure. I guess we will see how things play out in the next few months.

Look, I'm not saying I agree with the contracts, but the 450 million rounds is a contract to purchase up to an amount of rounds, not a flat number that they've already received.

The whole god damn system is fucked and needs to be changed from the inside out, but we also need to make sure we're keeping information as accurate as possible.

Since 9/11 the gov has been highly focused on domestic counter-insurgence. NORTHCOM was created for a reason.

Actually it was because they got an amazing deal on some bundled airmiles if they bought in bulk.

Again, there is no legal way to do this without about 3 years worth of leg work.

The UN vote is a step in the direction they want. Another step towards tyranny and a further police state, that is why it is a big deal in my opinion.

Uhh.. how about we have psychopathic mass murdering criminals running our society and they could give a fuck about the points you made because they are arming their mindless hordes of bureaucrats and praetorian class against you?

You aren't missing anything. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/international-gun-ban-treaty/

What am I missing?

No disrespect whatsoever, as I think you have sound points, but what I think you're missing is how devious and underhanded TPTB can be and are. I mean, afterall, the constitution of the U.S. has already been all but stripped and raped as it stands. I don't think that the 2nd amendment is something that would be beneath TPTB to at least attempt to undermine and do away with.

I think before anyone assumes the OP is simply to outlandish to be true or real, I think we need to realize that it's much better to be mindful and watchful of something like what OP posted to be a reality first. Better safe than sorry I say.

It is conceivable this may lead to a chemically-propelled, copper jacketed protest.

At the risk of sounding like an idiot, what is a

chemically-propelled, copper jacketed protest? A gun fight? A revolution? Just wondering.

yes. Probably in the form of attempted mass arrests among the militia groups. Standard go-to for feds looking to make a point.

fair enough

i call shotgun!

You are missing what's actually going on right now ... government ignoring the Constitution to do whatever it wants.

meh, civil war will happen if they try to go through with this, and it will be ugly, considering how polarized the field is.

I heard they are trying to now translate the 2nd amendment as anyone in a "well regulated Militia" (quote from Bill of Rights). In this manner, they could begin using loose-language to 'define' certain new parameters.

Under the Militia Act of 1903, every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age who are not members of the National Guard or Naval Militia.(that is, anyone who would be eligible for a draft). Former members of the armed forces up to age 65 are also considered part of the "unorganized militia" per Sec 313 Title 32 of the US Code.

http://www.history.army.mil/documents/1901/Root-NG.htm

You heard this? From who? The FACT is the Supreme Court clarified the 2nd Amendment to protect gun rights in the Heller case.

Was on Foxxx or CaNaaN news... perhaps I'll muster up enough 'care' to find it.

believing anything you read on 4chan

ISHYGDDT

Long time since I've heard that phrase!

bull.

Poppycock

eh...

Posting (sys.4chan.org) and images (images.4chan.org) going down for a few hours for maintenance.

a story about it was reported on, and discussed briefly, on FNC's special report yesterday... iran is one of 15 countries on some sort of advisory panel and our president supports it. the bill will likely die in congress.

EDIT - the bill would not allow the UN to take any weapons, the purchases would just need to be documented in a big UN database that would not include any weapons used by hezbolah, hamas, the crips, north korea, or anyone else that already does, and will continue to run afoul of national and international law.

isn't something big always happening?

The vote will have no impact on our guns being taken... that is my opinion.

For every non-american that wonders why americans want to possess such weapons.

this

right.because it has nothing to do with protecting freedom:

"That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided, as far as the circumstances and protection of the community will admit; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."

David E. Young, The Origin of the Second Amendment: A Documentary History of the Bill of Rights in Commentaries on Liberty, Free Government, and an Armed Populace, 1787-1792

Exactly.

we are under global government now wether you like it or not, it's just not official yet. A gunban will be devastating in the usa, since the only people that will get a hold of guns then will be criminals and the fasci police. Normal people will have to shoot with bows and arrows, is that what you want?

Arrows are surprisingly useful against some forms of body armour, and are naturally silent. They're also quite customisable for a variety of tasks.

The rate of fire sucks though. :)

Arrows are powerful yes, but so are machineguns eventhough they might need more than one bullet to penetrate armor...

public reaction to the shooting: buy lots of guns

that had to be predictable

so i'm not sure if i can sign on to the UN thing as a motive at all

although it is suspicious

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He is hardly the best source. His show is culled from forums, much like this one. He is routinely behind the net chatter. I like the guy, but he's a relay of information, not a source.

yeah, AJs like my conspiracy CNN, I often go to him for some quick headlines and then I do my own little look-see:-)

Thats the best way to do it. I think his heart is mostly in the right place but he just (understandably) gets so goddamn pissed off at it all he turns into a jaded blowhard thats hard to follow for someone not used to him.

Came here to say this. Jones is no where near the least biased source about this, and he certainly isn't the first to break most of these stories. There are multiple Twitter accounts people can follow that will give them much quicker news stories.

AJ is the reason more people aren't on our side and fighting this

What do you expect, he sells fear like a dollar store Glenn Beck.

Glenn Beck's job actually was to copy Alex Jones but try to put a neocon spin on it. He had to try it because the alternative media was so popular and the TV networks are so unpopular. It didn't work to well, because people that get started with Alex Jones ned up migrating to other alternative media like The Daily Bell, antiwar.com,Land Destroyer blog , Corbett report, What really happened etc.

The internet reformation is underway and their isn't much TPTB can do about it but try to take over the internet...and so far that has failed thankfully.

Alex Jones should never be used in the same sentence as "best source", ever.

They just permanently banned guns for violent ex-felons in Chicago and they used the Aurora shooting as an excuse.

Per ATF form 4473 a felon of ANY kind cannot legally own a firearm anywhere in the united states without a total criminal record expungement.http://www.atf.gov/applications/e4473/

Chicago lawmakers wasting taxmoney on making illegal shit illegal.

They just permanently banned guns for violent ex-felons in Chicago

don't necessarily see the issue with this

states and municipalities are free to create and interpret their own laws as long as it is NOT unconstitutional. With little exception, the Supreme Court's 2008 decision in District of Columbia v. Heller upheld the 2nd amendment to a degree that an individual's right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. The problems have been in the legalistas determining what infringement entails, and politicians just flat out ignoring it as in Washington DC- another city with draconian laws against defense or even owning a firearm yet among the top cities for firearm crime.

Violent ex felons should not have guns regardless.

Guess I better get some guns and quickly.

Ha! you fell into the trap.

Cha-CHING! the gun makers are raking it in!

Is there somewhere to actually read this treaty? If so, then that could answer some questions.

And from what I have read, the Senate still does not have the necessary support to be ratified, so I don't know where you get the claim that it is "likely to pass" all of a sudden.

if its anything like in the US, no one will be able to read the hundreds of pages typically written in legalese until 15-20 minutes before the vote.

The treaty doesn't exist. The only things the UN has done toward this treaty is approving a conference on arms trafficking which could result in this treaty.

That's what she said!

There is nothing in this bill that says that the United Nations is going to take your guns away. There are regulations on the import/export of guns, but NOTHING about taking the guns you currently own away from you.

You conspiracy nuts really are a paranoid bunch of retards, sometimes.

Stupid. The UN is not voting to ban guns in the US and even if they did, they would never be given that authority. Only far right paranoid idiots are actually worried about a weapon confiscation.

Why are Americans so interested in being able to possess a firearm? Honestly? I live in Canada ( previously in 2 other European countries) no one ha access to guns, and se also had far less fatalities and murders because of it. Not only that, large shootings and massacres are very rare if not almost non-existent.

If you don't have the right to self defense, the State can and will bend us all over and fuck us.

See: Europe, ACTA, and Austerity.

See also: Holocaust, Mao, Stalin, 100 other historical references of brutality carried out by the State.(The current wars in the ME included.)

Once the State has taken our guns, we'll never get them back.

ACTA was more of an attempt to fuck, more so than a fucking, FWIW

The fuck are you blabbering about? Lots of Canadians have guns...There's a gun range down the street from my house. My friends have big giant fucking guns. Stop talking out of your ass.

Sure if you have a hunting license, or are an officer , or bought it illegally etc. it's not just everyone and anyone who can legally go purchase a firearm around here. Be serious for a moment.

I think he is serious. I know lots of people in Alberta with guns. try going farm to farm and confiscating guns and you will run into trouble in spite of the attempted brainwashing by bureacrats scared of an armed citizenry.

YES YOU CAN

Coulnd't care less about being downvoted, but please please tell me how I can today, go legally purchase a gun, right now, here in Toronto.

Go get take the gun course and you can go buy a gun afterwards

TIL that mass shooting in Toronto a couple weeks ago never happened.

The problem in Canada is that only the criminals and the government have guns. This is not a positive, imo.

Mass shooting in Toronto? One man was dead, and he was targeted and involved within the gang scene in the area. I think that's a completely different scenario than this. Again, Canada,Europe, Australia, New Zealand , etc, all have thriving societies and very few of those countries have to deal with gun related violence.When it does happen its 90+% of the time related to illegal activity such as gangs and robberies. Most US Citizens own guns, but I don't see a decrease in gang activity and gun related violence there just because people are "protected". It doesn't add up to me.

I don't think that's what he meant by rare.

Wait til the army is used against the public and then you will understand why it is wise to be armed.

My reading about the jewish ghettos in Germany and about Cambodia undert the Kissinger/Brzezinski supported Khmer Rouge are two of the main reasons I am concerned about increasingly corrupt governments trying to take away the guns of their people.

I can understand how people ignorant of history and naive about the true nature of governemnt would be pro-gun control. please study and try to develop your powers of empathy.

Ok.

fair enough

Long time since I've heard that phrase!

Glenn Beck's job actually was to copy Alex Jones but try to put a neocon spin on it. He had to try it because the alternative media was so popular and the TV networks are so unpopular. It didn't work to well, because people that get started with Alex Jones ned up migrating to other alternative media like The Daily Bell, antiwar.com,Land Destroyer blog , Corbett report, What really happened etc.

The internet reformation is underway and their isn't much TPTB can do about it but try to take over the internet...and so far that has failed thankfully.

meh, civil war will happen if they try to go through with this, and it will be ugly, considering how polarized the field is.