What it was, what it could have become, why it was stopped, and who stopped it. (The "project" that blew up in r/conspiracy this past week, involving 9000sins, FemaCampDirector, supercede, and myself.)
11 2012-08-27 by [deleted]
I did the AMA over here a year and a half ago, and it was not well-received. There is a related post here which explains some of the gory details of its development history.
Anyway, I bided my time until the topic of Singularity arose again.
When it did, here in r/conspiracy, I made a comment about it and FemaCampDirector inquired about my comment. I explained it to him and he expressed great fascination with it. Later, supercede inquired, as well, and rather than explain it to him, I created a subreddit for the discussion of this ... thing.
Within a couple days, they were begging me to add 9000sins (who cannot program, and would have only had purposes as a moderator) I intended to add him later (as a mod), but the badgering FCD and supercede became insufferable, so I added him to the sub - not as a mod, but rather, under the condition that he learn a useful programming language - specifically, perl - which he agreed to do. I gave him explicit instructions for how to get brought up to the current state of affairs and he outright refused to follow those instructions (confessing as much in the discussion in question), and... instead, chose to start telling me how to run my subreddit... which was NOT (as FCD and others claim) a project involving several people. It was, and still is, MY project that I was generous enough to involved them in, despite their respective inabilities to offer anything concrete thereto.
And here is the whole breakdown of the project in question.
The "obscure language" referenced in the AMA, above, is MUSH softcode (internal gaming code within a text-based MUSH - i.e., "kiddie code"). Due to the nature of said coding platform, it is, by default, open source. (This code does not "compile". It runs as written. Similar to shell scripts and such.) And, while I have written a means of masking it (via encryption similar to that in the second link, above), that is unweildy and would not be included in the development of this particular project.
What's so special about it?
In a nutshell, a self-referencing singularity is, by definition a piece of programming which can:
- act as if it were any other process anywhere (either inside the gaming environment or, via a bot, anywhere on the internet).
and
- self-reference (it never forgets who it is acting as, at any given time).
Before I present the actual core of the code, I want to clarify that I did not "invent" this, as much as I "discovered" it, intentionally. I had originally pursued a unification of game globals, which turned out, in the end, to be a unification of all computer processes everywhere.
That having been said, here is the code and a walk-thru explanation thereof.
[setq(p, parent(me))][parent(me, <newparent>)][ulocal(<attribute>[, <parameters>])][parent(me, %qp)]
setq() is a function which sets a temporary internal register (a temporary variable).
parent() has two applications. given only one database reference number of an object in the game (or "me" to refer to its own database reference number), it returns the database number of that object's parent. given two database numbers, it changes the parent of the first on to be the second one. parent objects allow inheritance of code. So, changing a parent, changes what code is available.
ulocal() -- a combination of two functions. u() is "user defined function" (it's one of the most common function calls, because it's how you call the code you've written). localize() is a wrapper to prevent registers from begin clobbered (specifically, in this instance, the setq(p,...) at the beginning of this code sequence). so ulocal() is the same as localize(u()) except slightly more efficient (fewer function invocations).
Walk-through of the code.
[setq(p, parent(me))] - Who am I now? (or I)
[parent(me, <newparent>)] Become something else (or Be)
[ulocal(<attribute>[, <parameters>])] act as that thing (or, add -ing)
[parent(me, %qp)] Return to self when completed (^ That Being)
This is a computer equivalent of the name of the Judeo-Christian God, Y H W H (four words), I Being That Being. Thus, this is "god" in "kiddie code".
Basically, it can call IBM's Watson (or anything else, for that matter) as a subroutine/subsystem.
(For those concerned about internal recursion, the game environment has failsafes for invocation and recursion limits - it'll never "get out of control").
I had only done a few minimal beta tests with it to ensure functionality, before shelving the project waiting for an opportunity to share it in a place it might be appreciated. I thought reddit might appreciate it, so I did the AMA (above). And, as I said, it wasn't well-received. So, I waited for this most recent opportunity, and it turned out ... like this. This isn't a group project, as some have claimed. It is still my project until it begins to grow through volunteer contributions (which none of those people attacking me have yet done). It sits idle.
It is a potential.
A potential to apply any given available heuristic analysis program anywhere on the net to the problem of identifying shills, trolls, and sockpuppets; analyzing their activities (purpose, intent, etc.), presenting detailed reports about them, etc.
But, there is resistance to this. Why do these people (9000sins, FemaCampDirector, and supercede) attack me over this? I was offering this to the world... and, specifically, to r/conspiracy. And, now they lash out at my character to discredit me. Why?
Ask yourselves: Why?
Yes, my personal information is contained in some of those links, if you dig deep enough. And, if you solve the encryption, please share it with neohippy. He's got a lawsuit riding on that info.
I'm posting this now, because I'm going to bed now. Depending on whether or not I receive a response from the admins (via sunshine-x or otherwise) and/or the content of that response, I may or may not remain with reddit. Without me and my input on this, you have nothing other than that which is already available on the internet. Feel free to hork it, or feel free to contact me about developing it further.
This is not an AMA.
Peace
EDIT: I notice the personal attacks to discredit me continue. So, again, I ask you to ask yourself: Why?
And... g'night.
Final edit: Forgot to add. Yes, it's me. ithinkican through HomegrownTerran/ContheorySpiracist.
After a refreshing 5 hour nap, I see that every single comment was intended to be hurtful -- not just to discredit me, but to drive me away and/or discourage me (I'm not real polished on this topic, but I believe I've heard that is COINTELPRO behavior). As I said to u/iwillcrushyoutubits, you'll never know where I strike from next, but you do know how I will do so... and you'll be looking over your respective shoulders day and night wondering "How many people was he in contact with via PM over this to be willing to take on this entire subreddit in the open?"
48 comments
10 SovereignMan 2012-08-27
Why are you posting this here instead of /r/programming?
Edit: If what you say is true, it seems to me they'd be way more interested than anyone here.
7 kyr 2012-08-27
Because all of the readers over there could tell how meaningless this post is, and they'd ask for code first.
2 FemaCampDirector 2012-08-27
Bingo.
7 iknowwhatyoumeme 2012-08-27
Programmer of many languages. I was interested at one point early in your post, but I think you should lay off the functional programming textbook and also off this crazy mods/dummy accounts/secret bullshit whatever. We all come here to hear about the world. Not about some petty Internet shit. On the plus side, the comments on this thread remind me of 4chan.
7 kyr 2012-08-27
I can't make sense of your insane gibberish. None of this means anything, even to a programmer.
Are you suggesting that you currently have the ability to somehow "take over" IBM's computers and control them, or are you just saying that if Watson had some kind of publicly accessible interface, your program could call it? Because if it's the latter, that's something entirely trivial and you have achieved nothing.
As far as I can tell, you've cobbled together some primitive type of recursion and functional programming, which is like 3 lines of code in any modern language.
4 BaobhanSith 2012-08-27
"None of this means anything, even to a programmer"
Oh thank goodness. This is the extent of my knowledge:
10 print "Hello"
20 goto 10
RUN
I thought I was missing something important.
Edit: Phew... I didn't accidentally hack Reddit in C64 Basic when I hit 'save'
3 BaobhanSith 2012-08-27
It's coming back to me now -
10 print "Password?"
20 input a$
30 If a$="blah" then goto 50
something something
50 print "Correct"
Ah... Good old days. I fancy a game of Rastan now. Plus loads of swearing followed by the snapping of a FUCKING USELESS SHIT BASTARD AS IF YOU DID HIT ME I WAS FUCKING MILES AWAY Cheetah 125 joystick, obviously.
7 kyr 2012-08-27
You're entirely too self absorbed. You're posting something nonsensical, instead of a proper description half of your post is accusing others and defending yourself from threats only you see, you provide no use case and cite vague analogies instead, and you don't post your source code or a working demo.
I see two possibilities here: No one understands what the hell this is supposed to be either because you're terrible at explaining and make no straight-forward attempt at doing so, or because what you've done is really just meaningless, or a standard builtin/easily reproduced feature in any modern programming language.
There is no malicious attack on you, there is no attempt at keeping you from developing some genius programming revolution. You're just thinking far too much of the results of your hobby of playing around with an archaic interpreter language. And people calling you out is not a conspiracy.
No one is afraid of you, I don't even know what the fuck you think you could do to attack a subreddit apart from spamming it. Even if you were to somehow "take on" /r/conspiracy, no one gives a shit. It's just a glorified message board, the internet has millions of these things and creating a new subreddit is a matter of minutes.
5 [deleted] 2012-08-27
im going to point out an obvious error... and just let it simmer...
pro tip... the word you're looking for is "interpreted". http://www.dsbscience.com/freepubs/start_programming/node6.html
5 w122 2012-08-27
tl;dr ?
Explain me like I am 5 years old...
Technological singularity
The technological singularity is the hypothetical future emergence of greater-than-human superintelligence through technological means.Since the capabilities of such intelligence would be difficult for an unaided human mind to comprehend, the occurrence of a technological singularity is seen as an intellectual event horizon, beyond which events cannot be predicted or understood.
And singularity is already predicted with events that will follow after it was reached. It was predicted like 100 years ago.
http://i.imgur.com/4oRKw.png
http://www.exohuman.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/neuron-galaxy.jpg
http://strangeherring.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/internet-map.gif
We have passed moment when computers have connectivity and can function as one brain (with humans). That moment has passed... You do realize that ?
We are way after that moment. It is probably a little known fact (it was not noticed by lot of people) but we have passed it.
Minsky did not agree with me (at the time). But I think he was wrong as you're post clearly is talking about same thing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Minsky
4 [deleted] 2012-08-27
this is all incoherent nonsense. Are you drunk? Are you hearing voices right now?
-1 [deleted] 2012-08-27
What a joyous surprise. 9000sins partner in crime.
5 [deleted] 2012-08-27
wtf are you talking about? You're a lunatic. Off your nut
5 CowzGoesMoo 2012-08-27
It's HomeGrownTerran's sock puppet account probably on some pain medication from his accident.
-2 [deleted] 2012-08-27
Your denial means nothing compared to the info the Admins have on you, courtesy of yours truly. ;)
3 [deleted] 2012-08-27
there was no denial of anything
admins have my ip. therefore my isp and can easily run a general area trace. so what? like I said, youre a nut
im behind 7 proxies faggot
7 brentbentkuoi 2012-08-27
You're giving a bad name to us real faggots.
-6 [deleted] 2012-08-27
So it's a confession?
5 [deleted] 2012-08-27
a confession of what? That Im in cahoots with some random mod who I dont know, dont talk to, dont care about, and have no clue what the fuck youre talking about? Sure man. It was me. I shot JR. I also know who put those cameras outside your door and in the trees near your house. That strange humming you hear in the middle of the night is just the transmitter sending video back to the mothership.
2 brentbentkuoi 2012-08-27
But did you fuck my mom Santa Claus?
2 [deleted] 2012-08-27
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3 [deleted] 2012-08-27
Man, that's really gonna fuck with him. He won't come out of the basement for a week
-3 [deleted] 2012-08-27
That's nice. :)
3 Slider149 2012-08-27
Honestly, I'm not seeing what the big deal is. Post it in a programming subreddit and let us watch. I doubt they'll think it's anything either.
2 audiotwelve 2012-08-27
This is how I see o.p. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOTFwpA7n1M&feature=player_embedded
0 benjamindees 2012-08-27
I sort of imagined it more like this.
2 BaobhanSith 2012-08-27
What happened? I don't get it.
0 [deleted] 2012-08-27
The psyops, shills, and sockpuppeteers buried me in ridicule and downvotes to discredit me. Even those claiming to be programmers were just blurting out a random word or two to make themselves sound like authorities on this matter - not a single one said anything to convince me they knew what they were talking about, let alone what I've written.
Google has a lot to lose from my encrypted link, as do Lars and Jens Rassmussen and a couple other guys, former friends of mine. But their potential loss is nothing compared to the threat this poses to the psyop activities that invaded this subreddit during the last few months.
The reddit admins have run out of time to be able to include me as an ally, and should start looking for a different business model. The current one is dying faster and faster every day, and I'm going to let it.
1 oopsifarted 2012-08-27
Really thought this silly bullshit was over.
1 [deleted] 2012-08-27
You should at least allow some people who understand programming to comment, before you dismiss it. It's bigger than me, you, or this drama.
5 TheNewAmericanJedi 2012-08-27
no, it's not. I've been programming for 15 years and you are masterbating over 1 line of recursive scripting. Get over yourself and your self important crap. Apply it to something real and stop whining.
1 [deleted] 2012-08-27
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-6 [deleted] 2012-08-27
Ask a computer programmer. It's pretty complex.
10 [deleted] 2012-08-27
Im a programmer. You just basically posted what sounds like a goofy attempted method of hijacking a running process-id, but is in reality a bunch of gobbledegook.
For fucks sake, how high are you right now?
-5 [deleted] 2012-08-27
No. Hi-jacking a running process ID (in softcode) is something that can only currently be done in RhostMUSH. This is straightforward processing.
6 [deleted] 2012-08-27
and yet he didn't answer the question about how high he was... amphetamines im guessing...
3 iknowwhatyoumeme 2012-08-27
First thing I thought when I hit the code section was 'how high is this guy right now?'.
4 TerranKaczynski 2012-08-27
Yes, please ask.
4 TheNewAmericanJedi 2012-08-27
Its not complex. You are just crazy. And this "project" is one line of code which considering how attached you are to one line, that makes you a pretty terrible programmer.
4 CowzGoesMoo 2012-08-27
Is this you again HomeGrownTerran? Why do you always hide behind so many sock puppets bro?
1 [deleted] 2012-08-27
So...you're Jon Titor?
1 BaobhanSith 2012-08-27
He hasn't been born yet has he?
1 [deleted] 2012-08-27
I think he was supposed to have been born in 97 or 98?
1 BaobhanSith 2012-08-27
Couple of years younger than John Connor then...
1 [deleted] 2012-08-27
Coincidence?
I think not!!
1 BaobhanSith 2012-08-27
I think there's something Sarah wasn't telling us. (waits for sub mod to have a novelty account moment)
0 [deleted] 2012-08-27
No. I'm the guy who wrote this code, described above.
0 BuddhaSpader 2012-08-27
Dude. Shut the fuck up already. About this shit, about 9000, about anything that isn't a FUCKING NEWS ARTICLE or discussion on CURRENT OR RELEVANT Topics.
Fuck. Your a 2 day old account, posting utter mammal shit, who the fuck up votes this???
-2 SilentNick3 2012-08-27
As usual, no one gives a fuck.
1 [deleted] 2012-08-27
I must be over the target. SilentNick3 showed up to levy his harsh words.