Done lurking. Disassociated my personal account.

I'M IN.

Thanks, I needed this post. I've been meaning to disassociate. Done!

we should start an ACTIVE post in which we can keep track of any theories that have come to fruition and update it regularly with new information. A go-to guide of proved theories.

Good idea actually. A link or something in the sidebar to a page or something. And it needs to be theories that are proven with facts and not just stuff like "The Reptilians are here and we can prove it because so and so looks odd in the right light."

That sounds interesting...

I agree. Or perhaps we could have a list in the side bar with 3 categories and each theory that has come up, especially the most well known, would be placed into one of the categories: Confirmed, disproved, and contested. The confirmed can be used to awaken the sheep, and should link to many good supporting sources and information. False would obviously be things that even among us, seem to not be true. Again with reasons why. The fun part and perhaps largest category would be the contested, and with each NEW theory that comes in or with each post it would then be fun to be able to vote on if we think its true or not. We could then use these results to color code the 'contested' items (green if more than 50 percent think true, red if not) and that enable us to jump in somewhere and help try to solve the mystery. Let me know what you think team.

Make the sub self-post only.

posting near the top for exposure: go to r/TrollSlayer to dump instances of disinfo or the like

I'd support making the sub self-posts only for maybe a few days, and then we'd all reconvene and discuss what we liked/didn't like about it and perhaps take a vote on what route to take. Wonder what the mods think...

Seconded.

We'd see real quick-like who's who and their general thoughts if we had a self-post day.

I think that's a fabulous idea.

Self post Sunday?

You know, another subreddit I frequent does that and it really does help conversations get started.

I think I may know that of which you speak

I'm down.

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The same way it works on the board I was talking about, which is /r/metal. If a board that usually consists of nearly nothing but youtube links can survive one day of self posts during the week then we surely can as well.

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The point is that if a subreddit that consists of almost nothing but youtube links can not only survive but can produce original content and worthwhile discussion one day out of the week, then surely we, a subreddit that is supposed to thrive on intelligent thought and the pursuit of the truth, can do so just as easily.

Do you really think that the average poster here is incapable of forming their own thoughts rather than just posting links to news articles and the such?

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And that is the point. The discussion going on here is because of a self post. If we had a day where that was all that could be posted we would slowly begin to foster an environment where intelligent discussions would be more commonplace than they are now. People would need to actually go into the thread to see what it was all about, which, in turn, would get rid of the people that just show up to give or remove karma or those who upvote solely based on the name of the link.

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I guess you got me on that one.

But don't you think that most people would be more likely to actually read the post rather than just glance at the link name, see where it links, and decide to upvote based on that rather than if they actually agree or disagree with the post?

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It seems like we see each others point but just don't agree 100% with each other. Let's just agree to slightly disagree then, shall we?

I love this idea. Please do this mods.

I think this would do the sub very good. In for a week of testing this!

I had the same thought over the weekend with all the drama occurring so I just made r/SelfpostConspiracy I'll make u a mod if you like and will also consider others.

I'm in. This subreddit needs some rational people.

Another active member is a win for us and a loss for them!

Who's them? The almighty, undefined, "them!"

Everyone who wants to fuck you because they think your nothing more than meat.

Can we at least pull over and get some dinner, because I like to be wined and dined after I've been fucked.

If You want to know who "them" are: Listen to all 30+ hrs of The Mystery Babylon Series by William Cooper.

But Shyssirxius is very right but I'll take it one step further to say that it is also many of those we have entrusted with power and responsibility who consistently and continually try to enslave us. Listen to mystery babylon if you have never before. It WILL change your life, I guarantee.

Also needs more vegetables.

I know about the conspiratard infiltration.

I know about the shills, paid U.S. operatives, spooks, trolls, anti-Semites, Obama voters and other rubes.

I don't care.

There will be nothing monumental coming out of this sub apart from shared information. That's the whole point of this place. It's currently getting shat on by dick-wads and I'm not going anywhere. I like information and this sub has a slightly greater number of posters than some of the other subs posting similar information. There are still a couple of posters who link to interesting information. I stay for that reason.

If we stop learning and sharing then the dick-wads win. Fuck that noise.

You're assuming it's a level playing field. These folks are out to rewrite history, so their Manchurian candidate (Obama or Romney, take your pick) doesn't ever have to face up to the political base he shat on for four years.

They get support from the admins before starting the fight, because they would just come across as mentally ill on a fair playing field.

You are assuming these tactics are effective when deployed against individuals who are even casually familiar with grammar, logic and rhetoric.

Though, I agree with your assessment, and the number of individuals who possess this critical knowledge are few and tend to utilize it in an abusive manner to support the establishment. This is what needs to change, before any tangible shift in awareness will occur.

If you know the rules of the game, it doesn't matter how many trolls and shills are spreading disinformation and impeding opposing discourse.

Do we have an IRC?

Good idea

I just think it would be a good way to communicate with people so we can quickly downvote trolls and false info and upvote things which need to be known.

As well as a good hub for discussion :)

I would join it

As long as people take up the motto of question everything, even if it disagrees with whatever the hell they thought was right, I'm in.

Society doesn't like to know what's going on around us, but sometimes this sub only accepts wild and crazy.

I've seen you take some shit and accusations for being skeptical in the past. I sense that the mood has swung a little more toward your way of thinking now though.

Heh, partially because one of the first things I did when I got to this sub was ask "Is there a sub for the more rational conspiracy theorist?" and then had threads made about me being a shill. Didn't realize it was such a wild accusation at the time ;p

Its possible that the ideas one speculates here doesn't fit into any rational humans behavior which is what keeps people from coming up with it to even discuss.

So please be careful with the idea of rational = what is going on.

I agree. This subreddit has so much untapped potential.

It's a deal. But r/conspiracy also has to stop posting some of the more fringe / extreme bullshit.

The Jews aren't responsible for everything bad in the world.

You are correct. Zionism is the problem.

Regular users: We need fact checking on shit as much as possible.

Good luck with this. I was temporarily banned (I had to argue it) after debunking a claim with thorough citations.

/r/conspiracy isn't a place to find truth, it's a place to discuss theories, "if it sounds contrarian to what I believe is the status quo, it may be true".

You may have a better reddit experience at /r/skeptic.

But /r/skeptic just seems to be a place for only debunking and not for learning new things or finding out the truth. I just want this place to have some rationality when it comes to the truth. Of course we get mocked by the general public, we can almost never back up our claims! Some of it is active disinfo and such from those in power, but we can also be our own worst enemies at times.

The irony of /r/skeptic is that they do not pursue skeptical inquiry of claims irrespective of their source at all. Instead they prize a series of pet opinions on subjects and are actually quite predictable in their responses.

R/conspiracy can be whatever we want it to be.

R/conspiracy is us. So if we all pull up our socks and fucking get to it. We might actually be able to save this world from imploding.

Anyone interested in internet-coordinated activism efforts? PM me. I got ideas.

Agreed. /r/conspiracy is a deluge of "you disagreed with me, using logic and supporting facts from reliable sources: arm the downvote cannon"

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Really, they're just hanging out waiting for an excuse to drop a few thousand bot accounts? You think they've just been waiting for a hot opportunity like this stupid self righteous post?

Tell me, oh wise sage, why would they not just make this post themselves and then unleash the mighty flood of government agents just waiting to chat about evil zionist plots with stoned college philosophy majors...

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Yes, like statfor accounts established months ago and now they call themselves "LURKERS".

I'm glad someone else remembers.

Of course your account is kinda young itself.

Indeed, and it also appears that I am 5 days overdue my usual, self imposed account termination limit, which tends to be quarterly.

I don't mind the healthy skepticism of my motives, I actually prefer it. Question everything, especially my motives, rhetoric and views.

It makes you less credible to be changing.

Myself, as a karmawhore, I can never change accounts. But at least it's easy for me to prove I'm not a sockpuppet.

It makes you less credible to be changing.

I agree.

I don't want appeals to tradition/seniority to be used for or against me as the basis of debate. Though that argument can be made, and is often relevant.

Myself, as a karmawhore, I can never change accounts. But at least it's easy for me to prove I'm not a sockpuppet.

It is easy to prove that the your current account is not a sockpuppet, though anyone has the capability to create new personas, regardless of seniority.

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Exactly. And their noble cause is to destroy /r/conspiracy. First by limiting it self posts? If they aren't sockpuppets they are insane.

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Like you?

What parts of what I said are at all 'paranoid, unfounded and silly'?

This subreddit is ridiculously immature, even compared to the rest of Reddit.

Then you should deprive us of your presence.

I'd much rather you explained yourself so I could realise you weren't just another immature ass. But no you pull the 'just leave' card, proving me right.

I think you're a sockpuppet trying to destroy my favorite subreddit.

It's funny because I'd say the same thing about you. Adding nothing to discussion other than random childish comments. It's little trolls like you that make this subreddit the mess that it is.

Then found your own subreddit and ban me from it. And everyone else who you object to.

Banning people from shit because we disagree ain't my style.

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I'm only agreeing that it's plausible.

Don't be disingenuous.

It's theoretically plausible that when you run into a wall the atoms will fall into a perfect formation and and you'll run straight through it...

And a misuse of statistics to round it off.

Don't be disingenuous.

I'm not at all. I'm agreeing that it's plausible. Not that it's going to happen.

And a misuse of statistics to round it off.

There were no statistics in my post, just a theory which is widely accepted. Also, not a misuse, just a way of showing you that plausible things can be so unlikely they're nearly impossible.

I'm not at all. I'm agreeing that it's plausible. Not that it's going to happen.

You are agreeing that it is probable, while being improbable. Got it.

There were no statistics in my post.

You were implying that the likelihood of a human being moving through a solid surface is comparable to the odds of just some of the dormant subs being used to game the system.

That is a misuse of statistics, but you knew that already.

This has become a pointless pissing match, if you don't wish to continue, I will reciprocate.

Plausibility is not the same thing as probability, oh, master of the dictionary

You are agreeing that it is probable

No I wasn't. Plausible not probable. Two very different words.

You were implying that the likelihood of a human being moving through a solid surface is comparable to the odds of just some of the dormant subs being used to game the system.

No I wasn't. Just used that example to point out how something can be plausible yet very unlikely.

This has become a pointless pissing match, if you don't wish to continue, I will reciprocate.

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Oh, didn't know there was a difference.

Like you're doing now, with 5 or 10 sockpuppet accounts?

yes, the governments master plan is to get you to clean this sub up, unite against bad and wrong info, and have a more intellectual dialogue. Should I do an AMA now?

You just made my morning. LOL

Yes, I believe that the majority of people posting on this thread are sockpuppets trying to destroy this subreddit. Probably most of them are the same person posting under multiple accounts.

It isn't just this thread, I'm afraid.

You act like we didn't plan this all along.

I've got my eyes on you/s ಠ_ಠ

Well now my desire to stay hidden is fighting it out with my inner exhibitionist.

You have me so conflicted SSS.

There is a concerted effort to poison the well here, that much is obvious.

Indeed - I would love to try and get posters like you out of this subreddit, and I think that's what the OP is suggesting.

O' captain my captain.

9/11 was an inside job, this is the most important fact out there right now, it has the power to wake a lot of people up when presented properly. Stop with the mini nukes and the lazer weapons and the no planes, that's all dis info. I wouldn't even be to sure about a missile into the pentagon.

President Kennedy was assassinated, his brother was assassinate using a Manchurian candidate. MLK was assassinated.

Oklahoma city was staged and there were bombs in the building.

Then there are countless conspiracies which have basis in truth, but are riddled with dis info. Sometimes there is a cover up, but its not always the extreme conspiracy scenario. Civilization is so much older than they are admitting right now, but that doesn't mean aliens were involved in building stone structures.

Planned obsolescence is real, but not to the extent people think. In reality the free market mostly won that battle, now the problem is just consumerism. We could demand better products but the market has spoken.

Cancer can be cured naturally, but there are many bullshit answers out there and half truths.

HIV has at least an 80% misdiagnosis rate, especially in Africa. There is no test for HIV only HIV antibodies which is very inaccurate and unreliable.

Most wars are over money. Don't go to the extreme of world dominance and mass extermination. This very well might be the end game, but you don't know that.

80% of the world is deficient if vitamin D. People are eating to much sugar and grains.

No one knows everything, separate the good from the bad and always be ready to reexamine a currently held belief.

We don't need big government, we might not even need a government.

There are a lot of people out there who know some of these things but don't know everything. Your less alone than you think. Always keep learning and never be to sure of yourself.

There are many more conspiracies, this was just a rant.

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Guess whose teaching you and writing your texts books. Being a medical student means very little without independent thought. Knowing an HIV researcher means even less. Look into the HIV test that they give. Also look into the difference between AIDS and HIV. Just because you have AIDS doesn't mean you got it from HIV. Look into the most common form of diagnosis in poor African countries, they don't even administer HIV test, they do it my symptoms (which match malnutrition and typhus). Not trying to be disrespectful towards your education, but its just how it is.

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Take a look at his post history, he basically denies anything that has popular acceptance by the public.

The reason I tend to disagree with most popularly accepted beliefs, is because the majority is usually wrong. This has always been the case, and is even more so in today's society. If you aren't a shill or willfully ignorant, and actually want to see the other side of your beliefs, then watch these videos. You can make it a mental exercise and try to disprove the information and reaffirm your currently held beliefs.
http://www.sprword.com/videos/lightbulbconspiracy/
http://www.sprword.com/videos/makingakilling/ http://www.sprword.com/videos/americanradical/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIFpbAxDMYI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5CtNsbzlBI http://www.sprword.com/videos/freedomtofascism/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html#SECTION_G002 http://www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson/#0.1_L3

So that's just what I could find off hand. It's a lot of information but they are interesting watches/reads. It might change your life, you never know.

I'll take a look, thanks

Sure. Check this one out http://www.sprword.com/videos/deconstructing/

If you want more examples of the corrupted scientific establishment you can check this one out also, its about psychotropic medication http://www.sprword.com/videos/makingakilling/

If you want a few interesting topics that are presented well you can check these out. They are relevant because the establishment does not recognize the information. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIFpbAxDMYI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

Please enjoy these videos.

I agree with most of what you say.

But not all. I think we do need a government. The problem with government right now is that instead of government of the people, for the people and by the people it has become a government of the rich, for the rich and by the rich. That is always a guarantee of tyranny.

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because there is so much information and proof out there that its not necessary. Every time I use the word gravity do i have to prove to you that gravity exists and site my sources? If you want to know the truth, its out there. The burden of proof is no longer on us, its on you.

Don't forget the FACTUAL history of the progression of the Pagan religion of sun worship being mixed with Luciferian Philosophy moving through the secret societies of the world. Assassins -> Knights Templar -> Freemasons etc etc

yea its there, but how relevant is it? People wont even wake up to in your face obvious shit, then you throw in secret societies and sun warship? Pull it back a touch. Not saying its not going on, but there's nothing you can point to and say see, there's my prof.

Long time lurker and poster..

We need sources. We need to uncover stories like the supposed radiation cover up and propaganda(psy-ops officer yesterday posting an ama or new accounts uploading military prop). We need to put more pressure on the people to ask questions about the apartheid in in Palestine. We need to ask questions about 9/11 and about the elite child sex slave rings that are being found all over the world. Whether chemtrails are real or not(personally believe some they are real but very well covered up) isn't the point. If it's real we need to PROVE it. So instead of bitching at each other like winy little brats without a cause lets ban together and get the truth spread.

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." -- Voltaire

I have tried and tried to post on Fukushima and with few exception get a cabal downvote.

I think some of these things are proved. Certainly architects and engineers for truth have pretty much revealed most of the important technical things about 911. So now we just need to inform people.

Why fact check when I can blame everything on lizard people?

Click before you give OP a second of your time.

Not exactly someone who deserves any sort of respect in my honest opinion. Someone so short sighted, and seemingly with a god complex. Just saying...

Yeah...but pretty much as soon as you click on "conspiratard", redditquette pretty much goes out the door in my opinion.

I don't go into conspiratard because it is stupid in there. Hence the name.

I'm with the OP. Let's make r/conspiracy (or "The CON" as I call it) a class act that will help even the most thick-skulled brothers and sisters to wake up out of this apathetic blunder.

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First off AlwaysOpenMinded, I like your style.

Secondly, Conspiratard is like Vegas, what happens there, stays there. I dont really care. I can totally understand getting so frusterated with the truth (of the conspiratorial view of history) and going to pick a fight in conspiratard. haha just to vent. Because again, conspiratard is like Vegas, u go when you absoluetly need to and the stories stay there.

I just want r/conspiracy to be back to full tilt again. You know, this place was a lot more live when I was posting my William Cooper posts daily.

I will discuss the truth anytime anywhere, but would love to make r/conspiracy a class act again.

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I'm not here to cause arguments or rages. I am here for the truth.

And while I appreciate the kind words "maybe you should have made this post", I feel that this is, in itself, the point of this whole thing.

We are equally as responsible for this subreddit individually and as a whole. So it doesn't really matter who posts it, as long as it is True.

I am here to do my part to help us make a better world, let alone a better subreddit. We need to be the change we want to see in the world.

I see the population of the world increasingly becoming more apathetic, careless, violent, angery, and dumb.

I am here to help combat this with rational conversations to dig at a deeper, more true understanding of history and the world that we are living in and I would hope that EVERY PERSON IN R/CON is here for the same fucking reason. Truth, Hope, Education, Freedom. And our collective future.

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Awesome man!

You kind of over-killed the comparison to the OP (i got it after the first one :P) but I see your point clearly now.

I hope you will join me then in attempting to unite this raging animal, today known as r/conspiracy. I/R/conspiracy need more rational thinkers like you. Got any friends? haha All mine don't give a shit about this stuff.

I followed a link in from here...

Edit- I'm certain you can find much worse stuff in my comment history than that.

Im in.

Ex-southern Baptist minister

Ex- mason (afam)

Totally shouldnt have awakened. But nonetheless I did.

Long time lurker, and I have seen the shills be busy little bees.

Ill offer any info or add to any discussion I can.

Thank you for posting this. I have had some excellent conversations with some of you here about giving this sub some much needed credibility...

The following is an anecdotal short-list of how users should be posting here...

1) Provide evidence to claims of fact, sourcing your evidence from as "reputable" of a source as possible.

I realize "reputable" is very subjective, as many facts that are discussed here are difficult to source at times, not to mention the question of "what counts as credible/reputable source? Perhaps a question for another post in and of itself

2)Admit your limitations to the factual knowledge of the topic you are discussing, conveying when speculative claims have unreliable/undisclosed evidence... Even purely speculative claims or theories have a purpose here, IMO, if they can be used to make connections about events/circumstances that require more research of the community to find out causal/factual claims within the overall speculative-theory

3)Positively critique your peers in a respectful way, utilizing the methods of non-violent communication.

4) Add comments, questions, supplemental evidence that evoke further discussion and research out of this community

5) Outright name-calling, ad hominem & Strawman logical fallacies should not be utilized in posting what-so-ever. If someone violently communicates with you, feel free to report the comment to the mods.

6) Racism should not be tolerated whatsoever.

When discussing the Zionist Conspiracy, for example, very thoughtfully and carefully choose your words. Understand that this topic in general is where a chasm of hate for this subreddit stems from. Simply put, attempt to separate race from the socio-political and maritime "philosophies" of Zionism. If you discuss racial issues within that subject matter, do so in a tasteful and respectful, ethnographical perspective and methodology.

7)Carry yourself as a diplomat from our community. When you post here, and in other subreddits, you represent a desire to seek truth. Express your passion for verisimilitude in every post. Again, choose your words carefully and wisely.

I'll edit this if I think of anything else. I hope this adds to the overall discussion of this thread. Peace and love. :)

6) Racism should not be tolerated whatsoever.

So ban tttt0tttt.

I don't have enough seniority to just ban people, nor would that happen anyway without a warning/discussion with the offender among all the mods. I don't know if there has previously been any such discussion that has taken place between tttt0tttt and the mods. Anyway, if you see that user being racist, or any racism in the sub, please click "report" so we see it and can respond accordingly.

I think what they are alluding to is tttt0tttt's comments relating to Jews. Conspiratard are convinced that /r/conspiracy is a hub of antisemitism, infested by stormfront.

This seems to be a touchy subject and would be surprised if you were not aware of some of the drama and accusations. 9000sins has been pretty heavily criticised for banning conspiratard members who cross link but not banning antisemitic accounts such as tttt0tttt.

What I think would be rather interesting would be a debate between /u/grapedinthemouth and /u/tttt0tttt

Yeah I'm aware of that particular example, and you're certainly right, hiddenhand-- it's a touchy issue.

After speaking with another mod, I think that banning such users wouldn't help or be appropriate. Unless outright "hate-speech" or beligerant racist ranting takes place, it would be best for those of us who are concerned to respond respectfully to said users. If sonething inappropriate is said, request sources for factual claims, ask why certain words are used instead of others(is it context-specific?), and just generally debate such posts or question language used. As with normal reddiquette, if a post is illogical, irrelevant, or inappropriate, downvote and report if necessary. Perhaps users should even message the person making questionable statements...

I'd say that authentic debates with anyone making inappropriate comments, regardless of their position, is a positive thing...

After speaking with another mod, I think that banning such users wouldn't help or be appropriate.

I agree.

Subjectively I feel that those making accusations of anti semitism generally seem to use circular logic without providing rational arguments to counter the claims or opinions of the 'anti-semites'. That's just my opinion of course.

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The two passages you quote , where do they originate?

I mean, tttt0tttt presumably believes it is written as a law in the talmud or some other document perhaps , but your comparison statement, what are you basing that on?

*believes

Firstly, it is not "written as a law" in the Talmud or Torah. Anywhere.

your comparison statement, what are you basing that on?

I took tttt0tttt's statement and replaced Jews with whites and non-Jews with blacks. It suddenly becomes a statement that is bigoted against whites. I did that to make it more clear that his original statement is bigotry by using terms that people may be more familiar with.

But you didn't challenge directly his statement. He is stating something as a fact. Would it not be more productive to ask from where he is getting his information?

I know where he is getting his information. Talmud "quote mines" with fake quotes and dishonest quotes that are brazenly modified or taken out of context. Or maybe it's the controversial, demented ramblings of a Rabbi with Alzheimers that 99.99% of Jews have never heard of and suddenly its the belief of all Jews.

I am trying to show you from that example that his way of thinking and generalizing is bigoted/racist.

EDIT: I have a challenge for you. Invent a quote that is actually antisemitic, apparently unlike tttt0tttt's comment.

EDIT: I have a challenge for you. Invent a quote that is actually antisemitic, apparently unlike tttt0tttt's comment.

Not sure what you mean.

Don't fall for it, you are being trolled.

I certainly can't vouch for tttt0tttt and those remarks that you consider anti-Semitic. I don't know where he gets his sources, and unless he quoted directly from a Judaic "holy text", I wouldn't say his arguments have much validity. I would suggest that you debunk his arguments, point by point, show the fallacies in the sources he draws from, and prove his "facts"as incorrect if they are.

Your mods here will address this in detail at some point, but generally speaking, debate him and attempt to prove him wrong. If any facets of his arguments hold up, that will be sorted out in the debate process Downvote and report if you feel so inclined... These kinds of statements should be regulated by the community itself. So get on him, man. I haven't had computer access, but I plan on helping with these kinds of issues in discussion as I can. I hope my answer helps :)

Do you not think then perhaps it would have been worth debating that particular point with him?

As worthwhile as debating evolution with Kent Hovind.

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I am getting the impression that supercede wants to keep the sub free to discuss what it wishes but would like the tone to be altered , for people to be more respectful of each other and engage in rational debate. It's a tall order though but seems like there are noble intentions.

Pointing out that jewish people can sometimes be racist is not actually a racist remark. You may not like the sources, or the interpretation, but that's where the debate should be. Debate is much better than a slander.

When did he say Jewish people can sometimes be racist? He said that among Jews its acceptable to kill non-Jews because they're worth as much as cows.

Man, almost all of you people are silly. I'm out of here. Poor reddiquete as well. I was net downvoted 24 times because people disagreed with me.

He said that among Jews its acceptable to kill non-Jews because they're worth as much as cows.

If a tenet or doctrine distinguishes who can be can be killed on the basis of race (jew or non-jew) then it is racist.

Also, it's amusing, how you initially called me stupid, before changing it to silly, yet still have the cheek to invoke reddiquete. I also didn't downvote you as you try to imply.

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That is debatable. Race is often considered a social construct anyway but if we were to change the discussion to ethnicity , there seems to be a n ethnic dimension to Jewishness.

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There's definitely an ethnic dimension, but that alone doesn't constitute race by the traditional standards I learned growing up.

You can't decide the definition of the word because you feel like it. Race is an old, old English word that goes back before 19th century pseudoscience.

Perhaps you were unfamiliar with other definitions while growing up because you weren't a fan of literature?

Why not?

What about the definition of antisemite?

Completely different.

Antisemite has always meant the same thing. In fact, it's stupid to even care. Nobody would give a damn if we started saying anti-Jewish.

The term has been severely diluted through overuse.

Today, if you are called an "anti-semite" you are probably somebody the Jewish people don't like...

What is the root word of antisemite, and what demographic decided that what amounts to doublespeak, is an acceptable definition of this term?

Would you find it acceptable if I coined the term "propaedophile", and define it as "an individual, or supporter of a, dual Israeli citizen whom holds office in any branch of the United States Gov't"?

It's much better to call people out on their beliefs than to have them be removed from the discourse, wouldn't you agree? Or do you want to be protected from their dirty thoughts that might corrupt your precious mind? Hmmm? Would you like some higher power, some man far greater than you to take this person out of the argument? I mean, yeah he's said stuff that I've called him out on too. Just stupid stuff. Stupid/hateful but not like hateful/hateful ya know? Nothing in my opinion that was close enough to constitute a ban, if I even believed people should be banned for that.

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Your definition began in the 18th or 19th century and ended in the 20th century. It is not more correct because you have a fondness for that time period. It was a fad that was incorrect. (See definition 3a: no longer in technical use!)

My definitions (1, 4 and 5 above) are at least a thousand years old. However, definition 3c is modern.

EDIT: grammar

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Your definition is based in a concept that "the races" are biologically different, based in the theory of eugenics. As far as science and sociology is concerned there are no races, only ethnicity and skin color, humans just aren't biologically diverse enough for the term "race" in biology.

In sociology the term race was closely tied with eugenics for a lot of the 19th and 20th century, the modern understanding of biology has effectively debunked eugenics are a real science, therefore race is seen as a social construct- usually projected on to a group as a means of classification... it holds no meaning outside of an outdated way to classify groups of people. As far as science is concerned it's about as accurate as classifying people by how big their ears are.

So when you say race you probably are referring to a "population" or "ethnic group"

In political science(my specialty) "race" is sometimes used to describe the specific construct of categorizing populations, especially in law ("jim crow" or affirmative action legislation) rather than a literal biological category. I understand why it's confusing but I don't get how the old, now debunked way of thinking about populations has stuck around while other rebutted terms eventually fall out of favor.

Jews are not a race, no matter how many times he says something that upsets you.

There are black jews, white Jews, and brown Jews.

If Jews are a race, black is a religion.

You're either trolling in which case get lost fuckhead. Or you are incredibly stupid in which case get lost and read a book fuckhead.

lol, Did you think I was insulting you somehow rather than agreeing with you?

Ahh I see. My bad, so many trolls around I'm always on the defensive.

Thats ok, I probably wouldve responded in the same fashion. Nearly everyone thinks Im a troll anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions

I feel like the crux of this argument is that it is impossible to be bigoted against Jews.

Do you agree that it is possible to be bigoted against Jews? If so, can you tell me what a bigoted belief would look like?

The Crux of the argument is Jews are a religion and not a race. To say racism implies a kind of discrimination that has not happened since ww2 whereas people of color have been continuously discriminated against since the institution of slavery was engrained in the constitution. It shows a lack of understanding and sympathy.

The way to discriminate against Jews is to say something like all Jews by nature of their religion are a part of an overarching conspiracy against mankind.

What if I were to say, like a men's club where only men are allowed entrance, but not all men are involved; there is a social network of powerful Jews, where being Jewish is a prerequisite, though does no implicate all Jews?

I believe that this sentiment is what the majority of the so called "antisemites" hold.

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Jews for example, think they are a race, and often claim anti-Zionism as racism.

I think I know what you mean, but could you just clarify the statement for me so we're on the same page?

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Just add "some" to the beginning of your statement.

As in, "Some Jews think..." better yet "Some Jews tend to think..."

See how easy it is? That's the fine point Supercede is putting on this hot button topic. It can make a bunch of difference.

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I don't have access to data that states "most" do. I gather from personal experience, without polls, that "some" do. Without that data, I submit if you are trying to make your point in the fashion you are, the best descriptor would be "many."

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You might find this worth a look.

http://forward.com/articles/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/?p=all

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I'm not trying to portray his findings as conclusive here... no matter how interesting and thought provoking they may be. This was a response to the idea that "most" Jews think of themselves as a race. This link demonstrates that the idea is a controversial, on-going discussion and scientific exploration, among the Jewish people themselves. It is clearly not a foregone conclusion.

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I agree. We must question so we can understand.

I never said the Jews were a race. I just pointed out it is was controversial. Not a done deal.

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And many, many, many more, with legitimate criticisms of Zionism and Jewish social networks and organizations are accused of thinly supported "antisemitism".

So, what is your point?

Ahhh, Supercede... Making this place better one post at a time.

You are right on target brother.

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But enough people comment and call bullshit. Not so with the ambiguous shit sites I mentioned

Probably get so polluted with shit and sock puppet accounts it'll become a default sub...

I doubt that this subreddit is going to shoot up to having over a million readers any time soon.

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Have you read /r/conspiracy? It's filled with meaningless junk.

Doing anything to fix that?

Yup, you definitely should have been the spokesperson for this thread. :)

:) haha. Thanks but that in itself is the problem, no?

I should not be the only spokesperson.

Mature, rational minds, Speak up now! We need you! PM me if you have no idea where to even begin. I have beginning points for you.

Calling it out when I see it, asking for sources, explanations, and arguments. so yes.

Edit: Love the downvote cannon y'all, keep it coming!

Good. Need more good posts though. Being critical of posts is one thing. Posting good posts is another. Keep up the good work!

We get a LOT Of good posts. I know that because I make a lot of them myself. But I see and up vote a lot of good posts from other people as well. This submission isn't one of them.

That wasn't self congratulatory at ALL.

Sure it was. I try very hard.

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I'm not saying it only consists of meaningless junk, just that most of it absolutely is.

Perhaps you could found your own subreddit then and fill it with what you think is meaningful.

A subreddit of nothing is far more meaningful than a subreddit dominated by paranoid schizophrenics

Then go to subreddit you like better.

It's more fun to see what roads of "logic" I'll be taken on in this one. This thread is becoming a case in point.

I think it will snowball and overflow from /politics will pick up quickly. We're already seeing a huge increase in the last 2 months

Looooong time lurker and only became active some 2 months ago ?!

Personally this might be seasonal: cause of the Olympics and all those false flags warnings (Chilean and the stadium "deconstruction" ads, AAA on roofs, security contractors with hidden agendas, etc..) and will only increase as we get closer to December: "end of the Mayan long count".

Sadly, these posts will be ever more sensationalistic, and considering /r/conspiracy natural open-mindedness, they'll find an eager crowd.

What we should emphasize is "sources". Not just some random quote from Abe Lincoln, Albert Pyke, Truman etc.. but substantiated reference from where the quote was from. Opinions / Ideas / Theories should be welcomed and not downvoted, as long as there is a clear boundary between personal views and "facts".

I've been thinking this is pretty fucked with the dismissals of prominent members of this community coupled with a dickfart like homegrownterran and now who the fuck is supercede?

The sub got popular, advance publications wants more money. Now they slowly take charge of the sub and everything is fucking link spam for shit they own.

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ARE YOU SURE!

Gaining Full Control

It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavorable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms.

Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes. file:///D:/Documents/Cointellpro forum techniques/Forum_COINTELPRO_Techniques.htm

Pike

What we should emphasize is "sources". Not just some random quote from Abe Lincoln, Albert Pyke, Truman etc.. but substantiated reference from where the quote was from. Opinions / Ideas / Theories should be welcomed and not downvoted, as long as there is a clear boundary between personal views and "facts".

I couldn't have said that better! :D

Sadly, these posts will be ever more sensationalistic, and considering /r/conspiracy natural open-mindedness, they'll find an eager crowd.

Natural open-mindedness? When will they be open-minded about the White supremacist conspiracy to manipulate voting and take over this subreddit?

Can we ban anyone that calls someone else a "Shill" or "disinfo agent"?

Outright ban would be excessive but perhaps the community could agree to self police and call it out as unproductive when it happens?

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I don't know about that. Shouldn't it be the case that we evaluate what is being said not cast aspersions as to the agenda or motivation of the individual. Calling somebody a shill or disinfo agent more or less is an opinion. Just say for instance someone is a shill , then shouldn't a person be able to neutralise their argument with truth, without reference to them being a shill?

I do all the time, I just get more ridiculous crap thrown my way.

So not only am I shill, but I must be part of the zionist conspiracy, or something like that.

The problem isn't that it is unproductive. The problem is the people that call others shills are really just morons incapable of forming arguments, they are subsequently left with no choice but to resort to ridiculous ad hominem attacks that only ever make sense in the context of their own personal paranoid fantasies.

Either make your point and support it, or make your point and leave.

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Go look up what an ad hominem attack means - you clearly don't understand

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Hey! You made it to wikipedia!

I don't think there is something wrong about applying an appropriate title to someone who is intent on preventing intelligent discourse through the use of ad hominem attacks.

It's not about negating the claim of the author by questioning his intelligence (which your examples do). It's pointing out that the author acts like a moron when they resort to ad hominem attacks.

The difference is what I'm doing isn't baseless. It's baseless to suggest that someone must be a paid agent because they disagreed with you. It's not baseless to suggest someone is dumb because they are acting dumb.

I don't call the morons before they call people shills, it's after - and that is a big difference!

I don't call people morons to lessen their claim that I'm a shill - I call them a moron because they made the shill claim in the first place. Once again, a big difference!

To apply one of your examples it would be more like this.

"What would Margaret know about fixing cars? She said she doesn't know anything about cars and she said it was because she's a woman."

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Yes, I'm definitely being negative. No, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a non-point. It's certainly ad hominem in nature, but it's also based in fact i.e. the logical fallacies already put forth by said moron. Unlike the claim of being a shill which is based upon an imaginary logical fallacy.

For example - it wouldn't be fallacious to present an ad hominem attack in the case of the non-college attendee explaining what the college experience is like. They didn't go to college. Yes, it is a negative fact, but it's still relevant.

From the wikipedia article that you seem to like so much:

Doug Walton has argued that ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, and that in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue,[13] as when it directly involves hypocrisy, or actions contradicting the subject's words.

The philosopher Charles Taylor has argued that ad hominem reasoning is essential to understanding certain moral issues, and contrasts this sort of reasoning with the apodictic reasoning of philosophical naturalism.[14]

In this case that moral issue would be whether or not it is right to knee-jerk shill-call anyone who disagrees

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Yeah, seems like a fair assessment.

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Guess!

Well perhaps we could agree to just say that it's unproductive as calling them morons is somewhat ad hominem. If the sub could agree on the point that shill calling might be unproductive that might be a good place to start from.

You're right. Name calling in general is inappropriate. If someone calls someone else a name, simply downvote, and click report. You could reply that the comment was inappropriate, offensive, and unproductive if you like, but I certainly wouldn't recommend allowing a name-calling bickering-fest to take up space in the thread. I've discussed with the mods at length about changing our guidelines in the sidebar and address these kinds of issues.

I don't think there is something wrong about applying an appropriate title to someone who is intent on preventing intelligent discourse through the use of ad hominem attacks.

It's not about negating the claim of the author by questioning his intelligence. It's pointing out that the author acts like a moron when they resort to ad hominem attacks.

The difference is what I'm doing isn't baseless. It's baseless to suggest that someone must be a paid agent because they disagreed with you. It's not baseless to suggest someone is dumb because they are acting dumb.

My concern is that the bickering takes up valuable space in the overall comments. I believe it's best to downvote, report, perhaps state a claim that the person's comment was offensive(or whatever) and leave it be. We should be able to agree that the bickering, name-calling threads are unproductive to all parties involved, even to those just lurking...

Definitely

God, please yes. I'm not a conspiracy-hater and I enjoy the alternnative narratives explored here. But my criticisms are most often discounted and I'm called a shill. As in any other discussion, personal attacks are pointless and only facts/logic/evidence matters.

/r/conspiracy revolution!!

If someone is resorting to name-calling, or if someone is being unnecessarily aggressive with you, you should click "report" so the mods can see that.

Gotcha

I don't think a ban is that good of a way to handle that. I will agree that this place can be like playing CoD on 360 though, just replace the word "faggot" with "shill".

This sub is already fucked. 90% of the shit posted here is sensationalized nonsense, often based on no facts whatsoever.

Wild speculation is welcome here, facts are not. I only check in once in a while incase somebody posted something credible.

Personally I love /r/conspiracy, think it's fine. Maybe you could find another subreddit more suited to your needs or found one yourself?

I don't know how anyone with a legitimate interest could possibly think this sub is fine in its current state. A more apt name would be r/wildspeculationfictionandlies

BS.

Glad you took as much time to reply as you do scrutinizing the facts.

If you hate /r/conspiracy go elsewhere. There are plenty of subreddits that will only give you the official story on things. In fact, you should leave reddit all together. Just go to the New York Times or CNN. Then you'll never hear what you call wild speculation and lies.

Im not looking for the "official story", but call me crazy, I like to read things that are at least loosely based on facts and evidence.

As are most articles on /r/conspiracy.

I'll be posting an analysis of facts that check out vs ones that dont soon.... You may be in for a shock.

Commondreams and alternet are good sources. If I have any criticism of them it's that they often reprint some of the more interesting articles from the MSM.

This is one of the most useful pieces of information I got off common dreams, and which was a reprint of an LATimes article:

The Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group, (P2OG), brings together CIA and military covert action, information warfare, intelligence, and cover and deception. Among other things, this body launches secret operations aimed at "stimulating reactions" among terrorists and states possessing weapons of mass destruction -- that is, for instance, prodding terrorist cells into action and exposing themselves to "quick-response" attacks by U.S. forces. http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1028-11.htm

In fact I think the organized attacks on them are from righties or corporate media trying to destroy them.

And your posting history doesn't give you much credibility. Sounds like you're trying to destroy this subreddit.

How am I trying to destroy the sub? And they are horrid sources with articles rewritten into opinion pieces meant to trick idiots like yourself.

I dont have to be nice to you. I dont want you to like me. Dont care. All I do is call people out on their ridiculous, commercialized bullshit. Sorry you fell prey to propaganda.

Sockpuppet. Agent. Find someplace else to try your schemes. We're on to you here.

lol, sure thing buddy.

Also, I think we should start by getting rid of shit like this.

Challenge accepted, we need honest info put out there....

"If you're paranoid, then focus your energy on learning to become anonymous with proxies, vpns (use a paid service and shop for one in a country that does not like the USA), and the onion network."

-Anyone have any serious suggestions?

Sounds like an agent guiding people into identifying themselves for the intelligence agencies.

Remember that Anonymizer turned out to be owned by the CIA and when someone used it all they were doing was identifying themselves for the CIA as someone trying to hide. And Anonymous was taken over by them.

Message me and ill send you a link from the my pc

Well said, 2parties1cup .

I was thinking exactly the same yesterday (in an alcoholic rage), and thus made this new account. We are all fed up with the current state of this subreddit, so I guess it's time to take off the gloves. Looking forward to "working" with you all!

You will not find fact checking, truth, or facts here.

76,480 users

default sub

lol

We could start a podcast with the mods or whoever the major players are in this sub (Im new here, I wouldnt know who). They could discuss what has been going on the past week and what interesting threads we should watch out for.

Sounds fun

Hear here.

Can somebody recommend a good proxy?

I2P and TOR and my favorites. TOR is better if your in a repressive country (other than the US which IMO isn't highly repressive yet). I2P has its own torrent system and IMO is better because you don't have to worry about TOR nodes being owned by the government.

To be serious, there really is no way to hide. All pipelines of data are monitored and the telecoms cooperate as much as they can. It's just a matter of either being a pussy and staying below the radar or committing and taking a stand, even if it means your life.

When pamphlets of dissent were passed among the early Americans they knew full well it meant death to be caught with them. We arent there yet but it seems very near where the mystery vanishing becomes blatant public murder.

i use a few from this list

http://pastehtml.com/view/1dzybe3.html

I'm not paranoid about writing here. The government will collect the information regardless of where we park our accounts. So where do I start?

Count me in.

We need to get rid of the constant posting of fear propaganda that is put out by the media to keep you in the dark and fear everything...

One person's fear propaganda is another person's conspiracy.

I think the ultimate problem is that for some conspiracy aficionados their source is your link spam. When it comes to something like conspiracies you have to take the good with the bad.

u can be behind proxies,vpns and onion network. if they want to find you they will find you,if they want to see what you are doing they will see.

Best thing to do is just chill out, the chances of you looking around the net and triggering red alerts for mere curiosity is low. On top of that the chances of you doing anything about what you see or telling someone that would do something about it is really low and not worth their time.

William Cooper - "For those of you that tell me they don't want to give their name or state or any information because they are afraid they will end up on some list, I say to you, there IS a list, yes, but neither you nor I are on it and its the only list that matters."

Bill Cooper, however, was on that list, and now he's dead.

No no no. The list isn't who gets killed. The list is who is protected.

" In 1954 this was the issue of primary concern. Although the so-called "moral issues" were raised, in view of the law of natural selection it was agreed that a nation or world of people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence. Such people are beasts of burden and steaks on the table by choice and consent.

Consequently, in the interest of future world order, peace, and tranquillity, it was decided to privately wage a quiet war against the American public with an ultimate objective of permanently shifting the natural and social energy (wealth) of the undisciplined and irresponsible many into the hands of the self-disciplined, responsible, and worthy few. "

Unless you are an initiate, you are cattle. You do not matter to the adepts. For they believe themselves to be of a higher destiny then ours. They are building a great work. That's why they have taken the name of the Mason. Wake up. Wake up. Wake up.

Bill Cooper is a hero who broadcasted over 1900 hours of broadcast for us to have before they killed him. How many will you do? You're already in R/con oOoooOoOooooOooO.

Ah, I misunderstood. Sorry. Basically the same thing Carlin said about "the big club, and you ain't in it". Gotcha. I know who Cooper was, I just misunderstood the quote (I've not listened to all of his stuff, sorry.).

Honestly...I do talk about Cooper a lot, but its simply because he cared about the two things that I really care about. The truth and providing evidence and proof of the truth. Complete transparency. He did more research than anyone of us could dream of doing in our lives PLUS ran the largest civillian intelligence agency and recieved letters and faxes all day that sifted through it all to broadcast the truth.

www.hourofthetime.com for all 1900 hours that he broadcasted. Free to download in Mp3 format. It's like 10 years of alternative absolutely true news and a different perspective on a tonne of topics that you probably havent even thought about. He was an incredible man.

That's why sometimes speaking the truth is an act of treason against an unjust government.

they twist and turn every comment you write, or words you say, second guess every action you ever did and get the whole world against you to the point you start even doubting yourself, but you gotta be on a touchy trail for them to pursue with their resources. Your an average joe, you pay your taxes,do the speed limit, happen to read into some conspiracy or hell even aerial views of area 51, google map driving distance and make a wish list of amazon gear to ninjutsu into that place just to fantasize. They aren't worried about you. Now the guy that has been arrested for possession, been to the psy ward for schizophrenia and is now buying guns via tor on the silk road, that might raise some flags. Or the political figure that witnesses something he wasn't suppose to and has the power to inform the masses.

I haven't been here for that long but I completely agree. I really like this place and can see myself contributing/lurking/whatever here for quite some time. I don't want it to fall apart. Really, if you post something, post any evidence you can find. If you can't find evidence at least post why you believe what you are posting is real. It only helps the cause when we can answer naysayers with facts and evidence. Those who say things like "Well you can't get evidence when it's all covered up"....really? You have given up all hope already? You believe they have taken away all of the evidence and proof? Don't fall for that crap! They aren't omnipotent! There is evidence out there. If I can be a little cliched for a moment...The truth is out there. Find it! Bring it to us and the rest of the world!

What if we just like to watch the paranoid tin-foil haberdashery ensue? I'm just glad this sub isn't all infowars posts.* Keep the infowars posts to a minimum, no one is trying to do anything to you with flouride*

double in.

/politics with less Obama cocksucking

You do realize that the whores who took over /r/politics are the same group that has been taking over the internet for the last 4+ years to eradicate any anti-Obama talk? The red party has talk radio, the blue party has internet message control.

And if you're fact-checking and looking for truth, that means they think you need to be silenced.

/r/conspiracy has 76000 "readers." They're targeting any information stream that has the potential to get a message out and gain a little bit of momentum.

This is very creepy stuff, but I don't know what you can do about it. If you oppose them, they'll just herp derp you until you want to quit. Reddit, Inc. is obviously part of their turf, which means it's a biased playing field.

We shall form "The knights of herp"

prepare to do battle

/roll

fuck

IM IN.

I'm only agreeing that it's plausible.

Don't be disingenuous.

It's theoretically plausible that when you run into a wall the atoms will fall into a perfect formation and and you'll run straight through it...

And a misuse of statistics to round it off.

Awesome man!

You kind of over-killed the comparison to the OP (i got it after the first one :P) but I see your point clearly now.

I hope you will join me then in attempting to unite this raging animal, today known as r/conspiracy. I/R/conspiracy need more rational thinkers like you. Got any friends? haha All mine don't give a shit about this stuff.

The point is that if a subreddit that consists of almost nothing but youtube links can not only survive but can produce original content and worthwhile discussion one day out of the week, then surely we, a subreddit that is supposed to thrive on intelligent thought and the pursuit of the truth, can do so just as easily.

Do you really think that the average poster here is incapable of forming their own thoughts rather than just posting links to news articles and the such?

If Jews are a race, black is a religion.

I'm not saying it only consists of meaningless junk, just that most of it absolutely is.

I know where he is getting his information. Talmud "quote mines" with fake quotes and dishonest quotes that are brazenly modified or taken out of context. Or maybe it's the controversial, demented ramblings of a Rabbi with Alzheimers that 99.99% of Jews have never heard of and suddenly its the belief of all Jews.

I am trying to show you from that example that his way of thinking and generalizing is bigoted/racist.

EDIT: I have a challenge for you. Invent a quote that is actually antisemitic, apparently unlike tttt0tttt's comment.

Do you not think then perhaps it would have been worth debating that particular point with him?

I feel like the crux of this argument is that it is impossible to be bigoted against Jews.

Do you agree that it is possible to be bigoted against Jews? If so, can you tell me what a bigoted belief would look like?

EDIT: I have a challenge for you. Invent a quote that is actually antisemitic, apparently unlike tttt0tttt's comment.

Not sure what you mean.

I certainly can't vouch for tttt0tttt and those remarks that you consider anti-Semitic. I don't know where he gets his sources, and unless he quoted directly from a Judaic "holy text", I wouldn't say his arguments have much validity. I would suggest that you debunk his arguments, point by point, show the fallacies in the sources he draws from, and prove his "facts"as incorrect if they are.

Your mods here will address this in detail at some point, but generally speaking, debate him and attempt to prove him wrong. If any facets of his arguments hold up, that will be sorted out in the debate process Downvote and report if you feel so inclined... These kinds of statements should be regulated by the community itself. So get on him, man. I haven't had computer access, but I plan on helping with these kinds of issues in discussion as I can. I hope my answer helps :)

Personally I love /r/conspiracy, think it's fine. Maybe you could find another subreddit more suited to your needs or found one yourself?

Thats ok, I probably wouldve responded in the same fashion. Nearly everyone thinks Im a troll anyway.

We shall form "The knights of herp"

prepare to do battle

/roll

fuck

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions