Z3 is my personal favorite- talks about the transition from a society of scarcity through planned obsolescence, to one of abundance through shared technology.
i'm devoting my life to pursuing these goals, and i encourage others to at least see what the zeitgeist movement/venus project is all about.
Its called Agenda 21, that's their goals, don't be duped, those guys are there to give you a glimpse of truth then shove the NWO right down your throat.
Sustainability is a Marxist term TPTB use to dupe you gullibles into thinking you are helping the earth when in reality you are helping them hoard the resources and become immensely MORE wealthy. But see, you don't see that, because you are thinking one dimensionally, because "they wouldn't lie to me"
i'm saying that regardless of what anyone says, i know what's right. i know that limiting our use of resources (and our population) is the right thing to do. we simply can't let our population keep growing like it is. we can't keep deforesting and raising the global temperature, year after year.
also, TPTB are in no way marxists. if they were, we wouldn't have to worry about them hoarding resources in the first place.
oh my god, you are missing the point, THEY are not marxists, they want to be the authoritarians that oversee the slaves. the slaves being us. Which is what you are advocating. Your concept of "saving the earth" is more like "saving the earth for the extremely rich" and impoverishing everyone else. You "know" what is right because you have been brainwashed by the school systems, who spout the same shit the media spouts about how humans are the problem and there needs to be less of them all while they have massive families and are hoarding all of the land and the resources for themselves. Yes sounds great. Way to be a tool.
i am advocating us being slaves. i want us to charge through the cities, turning all upscale apartments into free homeless shelters, and institute a 100% idle wealth tax, because that's what slaves do.
i want to do everything to the rich short of burying the burnt corpses of the parasite class in a shallow mass grave, and that means i advocate for the rich continuing to be in charge.
i think you might be the one missing the point.
just because osama bin laden liked baklava, does not mean baklava is evil.
the rich want a less polluted planet and less population, because those are objectively good goals. i agree with these goals, because they are objectively good.
the rich also want to stay in charge. i disagree with that premise. and for that you claim that i advocate for our own enslavement.
its a catch 22 homegirl. they are really good at control. We can still "save the earth" and get these fucks out of control. The prison cities idea is a bad one.
Catch 22 in the informal sense that I am using it, means you're fucked either way. In the book catch 22, it is a little bit different, same concept though. Go over to /r/agenda21 and educate yourself on the bullshit that you are spouting.
yeah, i understand. the UN said something, therefore we need to do the opposite.
i'll just repeat this once more since you never addressed it. using renewable resources and practicing responsible family planning are genuinely good ideas, that need to happen one way or the other.
i can't speak for the intentions of anyone at the UN, but these goals and letting the rich stay in charge, are two completely separate issues that you wish i would agree to conflate, so you can accuse me of something evil. rich people can rot, we need to stop breeding. two separate issues.
all of that shit you are spouting came from the UN sustainability education BS they put into the schools. You have been brainwashed dude, I am sorry to tell you. You don't actually understand Agenda 21, the environmental issues, or what is going on in the world, I can tell by your response. The amount of propaganda that has been deeply imbedded into your psyche and your belief structure is obscene. Family Planning? like eugenics. good idea. You should sign up to be sterilized then, practice what you preach, get your balls chopped off. I am going to spread my seed far and wide, gotta outnumber the gullible dipshits like yourself so people with your authoritarian mindset don't take over 100%.
you ARE the people with the authoritarian mindset. you're willing to kill the planet just to be the last one on it.
and guess what, all those grandkids are gonna fucking hate you for it.
is the planet infinitely large? can we fit an unlimited number of people on it comfortably? to me, simple math says no. but math is probably some kind of brainwashing too huh? you don't understand math, i can tell by your response. family planning? that means NAZIS!!!1! ZOMG!
LOL, one man subreddit, that shit JUST STARTED. I don't know how I am a person with an authoritarian mindset when FREEDOM is the goal. You are advocating forced life changes by people who "know better" and who are "experts" because you have been conditioned to worship and suck the dick of anyone who claims to be an "Expert" on something. I don't do that. See, I know how to question. In the process of questioning you can find blatant inconsistencies. See the New World Order found a way to trick you idiots into WANTING it. They teach you that the world is going to end if the New World Order is not implemented, so you become the New World Order's #1 advocate. It really is simple. But you are completely blind to it. Go over to /r/climateskeptics and try to spout this bullshit to them that's more than a "one man" subreddit, I can assure you. You've been indoctrinated into the cult of science. that is really what it is. Real science is a constantly CHANGING and EVOLVING thing, not "OKAY 51% OF US SCIENTISTS(who are funded by the Dept of Education or similar gov't agency[thatsignedtheAgenda21treaty ) THINK THE WORLD IS WARMING BECAUSE OF PEOPLE SO THAT IS TRUTH"
That 98% are just counted at a specific survey which .77% of the scientists interviewed had the 98% consensus. 77 out of 10,000 were considered. The poll also had a 30% turn-out which is very low. There is no way this can accurately be used to say that there is an consensus. It is impossible to be part of the IPCC if you deny anthropogenic climate change. That’s why its a consensus. Also, that survey fails to include meteorologists, geologists, physicts, chemists, biologists, and many earth science scientists. If we would take their count too, it would be 45% accept, 48% deny and 7% unsure.
I skipped that whole bullshit wiki and went down to the sources and sure enough: IPCC, a bunch of "sustainability" minded websites, and a ton of NGOs who PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT, from the global warming bullshit. It is the Agenda 21 implementation program all laid out nice and neat.
So of COURSE their bullshit is going to side with what the UN plans. They are going to fund the studies that support their agenda. That is how it works. It is so simple. People are ALWAYS using the IPCC as the "expert" opinion. When the IPCC won't even publish documents that are contrary to its agenda. Because the UN has an agenda, its called Agenda 21. You just keep spouting the UN bullshit dude. It's SO BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that this is the world domination program being implemented, but you must want that. You must LOVE the idea of being enslaved by unelected technocrats. You worship "experts." There are "experts" on both sides. So all you are doing is choosing a group of "Experts" to worship. The climate is going to change buddy, it's not us doing it. It's just the way it is.
Even if it was getting warmer by 1 degree every century like these monkeys claim, what the hell difference will that make? The ice caps will take hundreds and hundreds of years to melt they are miles thick, they melt a little every year and then freeze right back up again. The weather is constantly changing, the earth is constantly changing. Trying to STOP it from changing is ridiculous. You need to realize, that this is a TRICK to get you to hand over your individual sovereignty to the UN and become a fucking slave to their system. IT IS the NWO. They are genius with this plan, because they have all the supposedly "Educated" people on board. But education is just indoctrination. You have an "expert" who tells you what is right and what is wrong, if you question it, YOU FAIL! that is how the education system works. I went to college for 3 years, I saw how the system works... They don't want thinkers, they want OBEDIENT WORKERS!
i'm not really worried about convincing you. i'll let the yearly worsening droughts do that for me. it's up to you how long you want to put your fingers in your ears and refuse to do the right thing because someone you don't like also thinks it's a good idea.
yearly worsening droughts. Oh you mean like the one last year? oh wait, it was just this year. I am right in the middle of drought central right now. Get this though: It was worse in the 80s. But they don't tell you that on TV or at thinkprogress.org, the IPCC will conveniently forget that. They also will try to not talk about something called EL NINO, which is starting up, it will cause warmer water temperatures and strong storms in the next year or so, nothing to do with "global warming", they are preying on the young, dumb, impressionable types.
we have terminators now. how would changing our societal definition of humans from "labor-producing security threats" to "pleasure receptors" create a greater likelihood of murderous bots than the people who are currently in charge would?
i bet you'll agree with me that both romney and obama will keep building killer flying robots. i say no. and you use "the terminator" as an argument against me?
No shit. if you lack the ability to articulate your own beliefs then you do not truly understand the thing you believe in. r/conspiracy is the only place where people argue by linking to youtube videos.
And that is really the best explanation you can come up with? I mean, I see what you are saying and I do agree with it to an extent and don't get me wrong, I do enjoy watching the occasional conspiracy related youtube documentary every now and then but for every solid one there are easily 20 shitty ones. And if you don't agree with that then you might be believing too much.
The meaning of the phrase is that individuals may do bad things even though they intend the results to be good. One example is the introduction of alien species such as the Asian carp, which may become a nuisance due to unexpected proliferation and behaviour.
We are living in nonlinear system with unexpected results. You can make perfect society with robots and everything can end up in matrix type of situation or terminator type of situation.
You are making assumptions in advance for actions that would take artificial intelligence. You can not foresee what actions would artificial intelligence take after it is self aware.
The technological singularity is the hypothetical future emergence of greater-than-human superintelligence through technological means.[1] Since the capabilities of such intelligence would be difficult for an unaided human mind to comprehend, the occurrence of a technological singularity is seen as an intellectual event horizon, beyond which events cannot be predicted or understood.
bad things having happened from good intentions does not automatically mean that good intentions will always result in bad outcomes. if P then Q, it does not necessarily follow that if Q, then P.
not being able to 100% predict the future does not mean that terminators are an equally likely outcome if our goals and resource allocation goes toward peaceful purposes. you might as well try pascal's wager on me, see how that works.
nearly all of the things i propose can happen without sapient artificial intelligence. stop assuming things you can't predict.
i don't think we have reached the singularity, and neither do most AI scientists.
you ARE the people with the authoritarian mindset. you're willing to kill the planet just to be the last one on it.
and guess what, all those grandkids are gonna fucking hate you for it.
is the planet infinitely large? can we fit an unlimited number of people on it comfortably? to me, simple math says no. but math is probably some kind of brainwashing too huh? you don't understand math, i can tell by your response. family planning? that means NAZIS!!!1! ZOMG!
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0 doubleherpes 2012-09-02
also free streaming from this website:
zeitgeistmovie.com
Z3 is my personal favorite- talks about the transition from a society of scarcity through planned obsolescence, to one of abundance through shared technology.
i'm devoting my life to pursuing these goals, and i encourage others to at least see what the zeitgeist movement/venus project is all about.
venusproject.org
1 jakenichols 2012-09-02
Its called Agenda 21, that's their goals, don't be duped, those guys are there to give you a glimpse of truth then shove the NWO right down your throat.
3 doubleherpes 2012-09-02
maybe using the earth's resources in a sustainable way is a good idea.
i'm not gonna fight what i know is right just because someone else wants to hijack it into something evil.
robots doing all the work is a good idea. rich people making the decisions is a bad idea. i know the difference.
1 jakenichols 2012-09-02
Sustainability is a Marxist term TPTB use to dupe you gullibles into thinking you are helping the earth when in reality you are helping them hoard the resources and become immensely MORE wealthy. But see, you don't see that, because you are thinking one dimensionally, because "they wouldn't lie to me"
0 doubleherpes 2012-09-02
i'm saying that regardless of what anyone says, i know what's right. i know that limiting our use of resources (and our population) is the right thing to do. we simply can't let our population keep growing like it is. we can't keep deforesting and raising the global temperature, year after year.
also, TPTB are in no way marxists. if they were, we wouldn't have to worry about them hoarding resources in the first place.
1 jakenichols 2012-09-02
oh my god, you are missing the point, THEY are not marxists, they want to be the authoritarians that oversee the slaves. the slaves being us. Which is what you are advocating. Your concept of "saving the earth" is more like "saving the earth for the extremely rich" and impoverishing everyone else. You "know" what is right because you have been brainwashed by the school systems, who spout the same shit the media spouts about how humans are the problem and there needs to be less of them all while they have massive families and are hoarding all of the land and the resources for themselves. Yes sounds great. Way to be a tool.
1 doubleherpes 2012-09-02
i am advocating us being slaves. i want us to charge through the cities, turning all upscale apartments into free homeless shelters, and institute a 100% idle wealth tax, because that's what slaves do.
i want to do everything to the rich short of burying the burnt corpses of the parasite class in a shallow mass grave, and that means i advocate for the rich continuing to be in charge.
i think you might be the one missing the point.
just because osama bin laden liked baklava, does not mean baklava is evil.
the rich want a less polluted planet and less population, because those are objectively good goals. i agree with these goals, because they are objectively good.
the rich also want to stay in charge. i disagree with that premise. and for that you claim that i advocate for our own enslavement.
1 jakenichols 2012-09-02
its a catch 22 homegirl. they are really good at control. We can still "save the earth" and get these fucks out of control. The prison cities idea is a bad one.
1 doubleherpes 2012-09-02
who is arguing for prison cities?
and tell me what you think catch-22 means.
1 jakenichols 2012-09-02
Catch 22 in the informal sense that I am using it, means you're fucked either way. In the book catch 22, it is a little bit different, same concept though. Go over to /r/agenda21 and educate yourself on the bullshit that you are spouting.
1 doubleherpes 2012-09-02
yeah, i understand. the UN said something, therefore we need to do the opposite.
i'll just repeat this once more since you never addressed it. using renewable resources and practicing responsible family planning are genuinely good ideas, that need to happen one way or the other.
i can't speak for the intentions of anyone at the UN, but these goals and letting the rich stay in charge, are two completely separate issues that you wish i would agree to conflate, so you can accuse me of something evil. rich people can rot, we need to stop breeding. two separate issues.
1 jakenichols 2012-09-02
all of that shit you are spouting came from the UN sustainability education BS they put into the schools. You have been brainwashed dude, I am sorry to tell you. You don't actually understand Agenda 21, the environmental issues, or what is going on in the world, I can tell by your response. The amount of propaganda that has been deeply imbedded into your psyche and your belief structure is obscene. Family Planning? like eugenics. good idea. You should sign up to be sterilized then, practice what you preach, get your balls chopped off. I am going to spread my seed far and wide, gotta outnumber the gullible dipshits like yourself so people with your authoritarian mindset don't take over 100%.
Seriously, move to Europe, gtfo.
1 doubleherpes 2012-09-02
you ARE the people with the authoritarian mindset. you're willing to kill the planet just to be the last one on it.
and guess what, all those grandkids are gonna fucking hate you for it.
is the planet infinitely large? can we fit an unlimited number of people on it comfortably? to me, simple math says no. but math is probably some kind of brainwashing too huh? you don't understand math, i can tell by your response. family planning? that means NAZIS!!!1! ZOMG!
have fun with your one-man subreddit.
1 jakenichols 2012-09-02
LOL, one man subreddit, that shit JUST STARTED. I don't know how I am a person with an authoritarian mindset when FREEDOM is the goal. You are advocating forced life changes by people who "know better" and who are "experts" because you have been conditioned to worship and suck the dick of anyone who claims to be an "Expert" on something. I don't do that. See, I know how to question. In the process of questioning you can find blatant inconsistencies. See the New World Order found a way to trick you idiots into WANTING it. They teach you that the world is going to end if the New World Order is not implemented, so you become the New World Order's #1 advocate. It really is simple. But you are completely blind to it. Go over to /r/climateskeptics and try to spout this bullshit to them that's more than a "one man" subreddit, I can assure you. You've been indoctrinated into the cult of science. that is really what it is. Real science is a constantly CHANGING and EVOLVING thing, not "OKAY 51% OF US SCIENTISTS(who are funded by the Dept of Education or similar gov't agency[that signed the Agenda 21 treaty ) THINK THE WORLD IS WARMING BECAUSE OF PEOPLE SO THAT IS TRUTH"
0 doubleherpes 2012-09-02
it's not 51%, it's more like 99%.
if you disagree, questioning it isn't enough. you need to do a scientifically rigorous study to disprove the standing hypothesis.
if it's so obviously false, this should be no problem for you.
get back to me when the overwhelming evidence is no longer in my favor.
1 jakenichols 2012-09-02
Climatologist Who Discovered Jet Stream Debunks Human Caused Global Warming
Peer Reviewed Studies and/or Major Scientific Journal Articles Disputing Man-made Causes for Global Warming
Meteorologist debunks Global Warming
List of "deniers"
1 doubleherpes 2012-09-02
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
i don't know what to tell you dude.
do you really think that 7 billion humans can burn fires, run power plants, mine, and farm with no effect on the environment?
1 jakenichols 2012-09-02
wikipedia?
I skipped that whole bullshit wiki and went down to the sources and sure enough: IPCC, a bunch of "sustainability" minded websites, and a ton of NGOs who PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT, from the global warming bullshit. It is the Agenda 21 implementation program all laid out nice and neat.
the IPCC is the UN: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change
So of COURSE their bullshit is going to side with what the UN plans. They are going to fund the studies that support their agenda. That is how it works. It is so simple. People are ALWAYS using the IPCC as the "expert" opinion. When the IPCC won't even publish documents that are contrary to its agenda. Because the UN has an agenda, its called Agenda 21. You just keep spouting the UN bullshit dude. It's SO BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that this is the world domination program being implemented, but you must want that. You must LOVE the idea of being enslaved by unelected technocrats. You worship "experts." There are "experts" on both sides. So all you are doing is choosing a group of "Experts" to worship. The climate is going to change buddy, it's not us doing it. It's just the way it is.
Even if it was getting warmer by 1 degree every century like these monkeys claim, what the hell difference will that make? The ice caps will take hundreds and hundreds of years to melt they are miles thick, they melt a little every year and then freeze right back up again. The weather is constantly changing, the earth is constantly changing. Trying to STOP it from changing is ridiculous. You need to realize, that this is a TRICK to get you to hand over your individual sovereignty to the UN and become a fucking slave to their system. IT IS the NWO. They are genius with this plan, because they have all the supposedly "Educated" people on board. But education is just indoctrination. You have an "expert" who tells you what is right and what is wrong, if you question it, YOU FAIL! that is how the education system works. I went to college for 3 years, I saw how the system works... They don't want thinkers, they want OBEDIENT WORKERS!
1 doubleherpes 2012-09-02
take it easy there, big fella.
i'm not really worried about convincing you. i'll let the yearly worsening droughts do that for me. it's up to you how long you want to put your fingers in your ears and refuse to do the right thing because someone you don't like also thinks it's a good idea.
1 jakenichols 2012-09-02
yearly worsening droughts. Oh you mean like the one last year? oh wait, it was just this year. I am right in the middle of drought central right now. Get this though: It was worse in the 80s. But they don't tell you that on TV or at thinkprogress.org, the IPCC will conveniently forget that. They also will try to not talk about something called EL NINO, which is starting up, it will cause warmer water temperatures and strong storms in the next year or so, nothing to do with "global warming", they are preying on the young, dumb, impressionable types.
1 doubleherpes 2012-09-02
k.
-1 w122 2012-09-02
yeah, great idea. Just look how it end up here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=P7nq-r7QWW0
3 doubleherpes 2012-09-02
do you have a serious argument to make?
we have terminators now. how would changing our societal definition of humans from "labor-producing security threats" to "pleasure receptors" create a greater likelihood of murderous bots than the people who are currently in charge would?
i bet you'll agree with me that both romney and obama will keep building killer flying robots. i say no. and you use "the terminator" as an argument against me?
0 w122 2012-09-02
How about this ?
J. KRISHNAMURTI "Totally Absolutely Without Conflict"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB1_1J6Jqvk&feature=endscreen
2 doubleherpes 2012-09-02
you can't expect to post a video and have them make their arguments for you. sources should support the arguments you articulate on your own.
so what arguments are those? tell me in your own words.
2 Marsftw 2012-09-02
No shit. if you lack the ability to articulate your own beliefs then you do not truly understand the thing you believe in. r/conspiracy is the only place where people argue by linking to youtube videos.
1 w122 2012-09-02
We are living in 21 century. A picture is worth a thousand words.
Can you guess how much you can explain in one you tube video ?
1 Marsftw 2012-09-02
And that is really the best explanation you can come up with? I mean, I see what you are saying and I do agree with it to an extent and don't get me wrong, I do enjoy watching the occasional conspiracy related youtube documentary every now and then but for every solid one there are easily 20 shitty ones. And if you don't agree with that then you might be believing too much.
1 w122 2012-09-02
I will try to explain it simple.
There are 2 type of systems. Linear and nonlinear
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linearity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_system
linear system would have beginning and the end. And road through the system would be linear (scripted in advance).
In nonlinera system there is chaos and butterfly effect. In that type of system there is no certainty in advance for final end result of the system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hrV9xt50Vc
Now, to try and explain it differently:
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
which means:
The meaning of the phrase is that individuals may do bad things even though they intend the results to be good. One example is the introduction of alien species such as the Asian carp, which may become a nuisance due to unexpected proliferation and behaviour.
We are living in nonlinear system with unexpected results. You can make perfect society with robots and everything can end up in matrix type of situation or terminator type of situation.
You are making assumptions in advance for actions that would take artificial intelligence. You can not foresee what actions would artificial intelligence take after it is self aware.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
The technological singularity is the hypothetical future emergence of greater-than-human superintelligence through technological means.[1] Since the capabilities of such intelligence would be difficult for an unaided human mind to comprehend, the occurrence of a technological singularity is seen as an intellectual event horizon, beyond which events cannot be predicted or understood.
http://www.exohuman.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/neuron-galaxy.jpg
http://aworldofprogress.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/2011/07/internet-map.gif
And we have probably crossed singularity
Do you understand or would you like some more you tube videos ?
1 doubleherpes 2012-09-02
bad things having happened from good intentions does not automatically mean that good intentions will always result in bad outcomes. if P then Q, it does not necessarily follow that if Q, then P.
not being able to 100% predict the future does not mean that terminators are an equally likely outcome if our goals and resource allocation goes toward peaceful purposes. you might as well try pascal's wager on me, see how that works.
nearly all of the things i propose can happen without sapient artificial intelligence. stop assuming things you can't predict.
i don't think we have reached the singularity, and neither do most AI scientists.
-3 Amongus 2012-09-02
Zeitgeist. I don't know what the fuck the movie is you are referring to.
Zeitguest...is that a movie about German hotel guest during Oktoberfest?
1 doubleherpes 2012-09-02
you ARE the people with the authoritarian mindset. you're willing to kill the planet just to be the last one on it.
and guess what, all those grandkids are gonna fucking hate you for it.
is the planet infinitely large? can we fit an unlimited number of people on it comfortably? to me, simple math says no. but math is probably some kind of brainwashing too huh? you don't understand math, i can tell by your response. family planning? that means NAZIS!!!1! ZOMG!
have fun with your one-man subreddit.