Political rhetoric and saber rattling. Don't get too worked up. Did Trump ever say nuclear capabilities would be used?

How else could you translate that quote?

As a response to NK literally threatening to nuke Guam.

Other way round

No, Guam did not threaten to nuke NK and Trump's remarks were directly in response to NK threatening to nuke Guam. Kim doesn't like our airbases there.

Can't rewrite history to fit your anti-trump boner.

Jesus, you're a mod and you don't even know the timeline of important events within the past 48 hours?

Not true.

No, Guam did not threaten to nuke NK and Trump's remarks were directly in response to NK threatening to nuke Guam. Kim doesn't like our airbases there. Can't rewrite history to fit your anti-trump boner.

Thanks. It's weird to see a mod posting such obvious bullshit.

Ignorance isn't even an excuse since this just happened yesterday and there were tons of posts about it on this very subreddit.

Yeah, I was following it very closely as news was developing live . There's no other way to misinterpret the timeline unless someone gave you wrong information,

You didn't even need to follow it closely. It was plastered everywhere.

Knowing that one of the most active mods here doesn't even follow the most important current events that are easily verifiable is really disturbing.

Like, there's literally a video of Trump saying it before there was any mention from NK preparing to attack Guam.

Trunp threatend North Korea with his fire and fury quote, then North Korea responded with a threat against Guam.

[After President Trump threatened to bring "fire and fury" down on North Korea, Pyongyang said Wednesday that it is "carefully examining the operational plan for making an enveloping fire at the areas around Guam.](After President Trump threatened to bring "fire and fury" down on North Korea, Pyongyang said Wednesday that it is "carefully examining the operational plan for making an enveloping fire at the areas around Guam.)

What did Trump say word for word?

President Trump, facing a growing nuclear threat from North Korea, warned the country on Tuesday against any new provocations and issued his own threat of "fire and fury like the world has never seen."

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States,” Trump told reporters from the clubhouse of his golf course in Bedminster, N.J., where he was being briefed separately on the opioid epidemic. “They will be met with fire and the fury like the world has never seen.”

Trump added that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un “has been very threatening beyond a normal state, and as I said, they will be met with fire, fury and frankly power, the likes of which this world has never seen before.”

The comments came after a report in the Washington Post on Tuesday citing a U.S. intelligence assessment that North Korea has successfully produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can be affixed to missiles, greatly expanding the country’s range and power.

And after repeated threatening to nuke the US for... Well for years now.

Yes, but that's not what you said. You said Guam was threatened first and then Trunp responded to that. That's factually wrong as was presented.

Dude...

Just admit you were wrong.

COVFEFE.

The statement was directed at certain people who will understand the code. Although it was posted on FUCKING TWITTER, it was only directed at a tiny few number of operatives who know exactly what he meant.

Like, what? WTF.

The same shit is spewing from flybait here. Special secrets and clubs and you ain't part of it.

Or just maybe these people are full of shit.

And here's flytapes deleted comment

No, Guam did not threaten to nuke NK and Trump's remarks were directly in response to NK threatening to nuke Guam. Kim doesn't like our airbases there. Can't rewrite history to fit your anti-trump boner.

Yes a mod wrote this. Yes, this mod said this after being disproven. His agenda, seeing everything as "anti-trump boner" material is so transparent.

So what, I was wrong about which threat happened when. It's a little hard to keep track of with NK since all they do is threaten.

I love watching people defend NK now that Trump is against them. Forget about human rights and totalitarian dictatorships, we gotta be against Trump now.

Congratulations on being so obsessed with me that you preserved a comment I deleted 2 minutes after posting it.

Just thought the community should see our mod team at their finest. Usually the sneaky deletes and edits go unnoticed. But people are noticing you guys more now after your shenanigans

I love watching people defend NK

Who is defending North Korea?

People are just pointing out misinformation and shining light on the truth.

Where was the outrage about threatening NK when Obama did it?

This whole presidency has been an exercise in watching the media try to gain Support for impeachment.

Why have you tried to change the subject at least twice in this thread?

I'm still talking about threatening NK.

We were talking about how you were wrong, and then you said so what, and then you said why are people defending North Korea?

Who is defending North Korea?

Boy they HATE you mentioning that "little" detail lol. + not that it helps in cuckistan here.

Except that little detail is wrong. Did you read the rest of the thread?

Lots of weaponry exhibit fire and fury and has for a very long time. Conventional weaponry has advanced more in the last couple of decades than nuclear weapons have.

Ok. Pretend you are in charge of the DoD. Trump orders you to strike Borth Korea with fire and fury like the world has never seen before.

How do you respond and translate his words into military action?

In that case, they would attack with conventional weapons. The president has the nuclear launch codes. If the attack is nuclear, he orders exactly that and uses the launch codes. We have been stockpiling conventional weapons and missles in SK for decades. DoD would never mistake your scenario to mean nuclear.

like the world has never seen before.

The world has seen conventional weapons used on a regular basis.

Not the new stuff. Tech is far ahead of what the public is aware of. It's always been that way and creates a battlefield advantage that is protected as long as possible.

So you are using a "pretend" theory to back up your argument?

If Trump is going to respond, he is not going to go to his generals and say "Fire and Fury!"

You guys need to stop taking everything so literal.

Words matter, especially on the world stage, and I wished I saved the quotes, but former military generals and intelligence officer have stated that it could only be translated into nuclear weaponry, and I'm sure that's what North Korea is thinking as well. You can take my words with as much as grains of salt as you like, because I don't have evidence or sources to back me up, but it was extremely dangerous and stupid what Trump said and how he said it.

We need to be deescualting the situation, not esculating it.

Has he ever said that "nuclear capabilities" will not be used except if we were attacked with them first?

Has he ever said he would NOT shit on the front lawn of the white house? Does he have to say he is NOT going to do something to ally your fears?

If the time and the necessity comes, I don't care if it's conventional or nuclear, but the reality is that he didn't say nuclear. There are other options that can cause fire and fury.

Using your logic he also never said conventional weapons.

Correct. So it is illogical to jump to the most sensational and fear mongering conclusion when there is a multitude of other options.

Oh no, the draft dogging coward is rattling his tiny saber...NK must be terrified.

Thinking about Trumps saber, huh? Good for you.

Hillary + War = BAD Trunp + War = GOOD

Judge by actions not talk.. The only time the MSM has supported trump was when he bombed Syria.

Not all military actions are created equal.

This is not an action, it is a position, why are you aiding and abetting a hostile power?

This is not an action, it is a position, why are you aiding and abetting a hostile power?

A position on possible action, then.

And wtf is this foreign power stuff?

A position on possible action, then.

Yeah a declaration of an equal and opposite reaction to a threat. Don;t get it twisted.

And wtf is this foreign power stuff?

NK is a foreign power, hence the foreign power "stuff".

How is discussion "aiding and abetting"?

In the real world now, not in your fantasy world.

How is discussion "aiding and abetting"?

What NK did is in essence declared war.

In the real world now, not in your fantasy world.

Always personal to a leftist.

What NK did is in essence declared war.

You cannot be serious.

You cannot be serious

Guam is a protectorate. Yes, serious.

Go make a death threat on someone and see what happens. International law is no different.

NK has been making these threats for years

NK has been making these threats for years

Way to defend someone that just threatened to nuke us against your own country asshole traitor.

Lol. This is my account I used during the election cycle. You can see my Bernie support. Using account insults is so childish and usually so poorly thought out. Got Called a DNC shill the other day here, it's like the guy couldn't even see my post history just "everyone who disagrees with my personal bias is a shill". Typical.

Sure it is. Most of your replies over the last 24 hours is following me around, and nothing for a year before that.

So where are you working out of? Dept of Navy or Army?

So you think that any military shills on here are working against Trufjp and his supporters?

lol I've never even seen your username before. You mean nothing.

Go make a death threat on someone and see what happens. International law is no different.

You can't attack someone over a verbal threat, and international law is different.

What NK did is in essence declared war.

Uh, they didn't really need to. The Korean war never ended. The US has been at war with them for 67 years. That war was/is illegal under both international law and the US constitution. The US is the only criminal in this situation.

What NK did is in essence declared war.

Nonsense, they have been saying the same thing for decades, it wasn't until Trump's threat on bombing them did they directly say they are planning a US attack.

Nonsense, they have been saying the same thing for decades, it wasn't until Trump's threat on bombing them did they directly say they are planning a US attack.

Keep making threats eventually someone takes it seriously. Protip for liberals.

Exactly, a lunatic took empty threats from another lunatic seriously.

Protip for Cons, when a politician is unpopular, he tries to start wars, you Cons have gone through this before.

Exactly, a lunatic took empty threats from another lunatic seriously.

A threat is a threat, your opinion is a cucks opinion.

Protip for Cons, when a politician is unpopular,

Over 50% and rising. (spare the left wing polls we already know about those lol)

he tries to start wars,

He tries to defend us from repeated threats like the one that just happened again.

you Cons have gone through this before.

Yes Pearl Harbor did happen.

You libs have too, it was when the Soviet Union fell.

A threat is a threat, your opinion is a cucks opinion.

Then why didn't Trump respond with fire and fury earlier???

Over 50% and rising.

Even Rasmussen doesn't have him at 50% and it's falling, might want to check it.

He tries to defend us from repeated threats like the one that just happened again.

Perfect Neocon argument, look up what Dubya and Cheney used to say. 'We have to..

Yes Pearl Harbor did happen.

LOL, forgot Iraq?

You libs have too, it was when the Soviet Union fell.

What?

Then why didn't Trump respond with fire and fury earlier???

Because North Korea didn't threaten to nuke Guam earlier.

Why do you speak as if you think define allowable thought according to your own desires? You are not the slave owner you want to be and never will be. Liberal.

Trump has done nothing but blabber while getting conned by Chinese on NK.

Are you the president? You speak as if you think you are, and all you speak is opinions, no fact, of an uneducated emotional child.

Even Rasmussen doesn't have him at 50% and it's falling, might want to check it.

Even that is higher than Obama at the 200 day mark. Try hard. Higher than Clinton too for that matter. Keep waging your perception war, you might just get your dictatorship if you condescend just a little harder.

Perfect Neocon argument, look up what Dubya and Cheney used to say. 'We have to..

Except Korea is attacking us.

Or Libya (woops looks like your theory just fell through right there! there is no difference between a neocon and a liberal that's why we removed them)

What?

Do I stutter? What seat, house or judiciary are you in anymore? just like the soviet union

Because North Korea didn't threaten to nuke Guam earlier.

Exactly, Trump escalated the rhetoric which is why NK responded.

Why do you speak as if you think define allowable thought according to your own desires?

Who said anything about defining? Trump can say anything and I can call his rhetoric dangerous and idiotic.

Are you the president? You speak as if you think you are, and all you speak is opinions, no fact, of an uneducated emotional child.

So you can't criticize the President anymore? The only emotional manchild is Trump, look at his antics on twitter.

Even that is higher than Obama at the 200 day mark.

Absolute lies again

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/current_events/politics/prez_track_aug10

Try hard

Why? Your lies are so obvious.

Keep waging your perception war, you might just get your dictatorship if you condescend just a little harder.

That's funny, it's Republicans who want to abandon democracy, may want to check the news.

Except Korea is attacking us.

What did they do exactly? NOTHING. Stop with your Cheneyism.

Or Libya (woops looks like your theory just fell through right there! there is no difference between a neocon and a liberal that's why we removed them)

You are the neocon.

Do I stutter? What seat, house or judiciary are you in anymore? just like the soviet union

I just know the Russian ambassador to the US, his name is Donnie Moscow and he is a pedophile rapist who paid millions for running scams like Trump U.

What NK did is in essence declared war.

lol called it. Bro if you think that then you need to update your knowledge of international studies & geopolitics.

The only time the MSM has supported trump was when he bombed Syria.

What? The push he made early on with military action was regarded as a complete clusterfuck, so I don't know why you're spinning a msm war machine narrative. The bombings were called out for willful disregard for collateral damage, and the manned ground missions the same and unnecessary loss of American lives, and the counterpoint here was "but Obama!"

Make up your mind.

MSM has been critical of everything trump has done except bombing Syria.. you forgot? They wanted war.. that's why they were angry when trump signed a cease fire with Russia.. member?

MSM has been critical of everything trump has done except bombing Syria

You were watching some different news than me, bud.

that's why they were angry when trump signed a cease fire with Russia

That's such a disingenuous way of putting it, that you've actually committed an affront on language itself.

Maybe you were watching the news that said Hillary could win Texas

...yes, because that was heavy in the news this spring...

huh

Not sure why you're getting downvoted. Even Media Matyers called them out for supporting Trump: https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2017/04/07/media-praise-trump-ordering-missile-attack-syrian-airbase/215956

brigading, he is 100% right, they also have not attacked him on his not draining the swamp, they are a-ok with a goldman sax cabinet, they just want to save their PC crap

Have you forgotten already?

Here's Brian Williams reciting poetry about American missiles attacking Syria: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4n3SI81m9w

what? who cares about the MSM? do you think liberals agree with everything CNN says?

forget your labels bro... the MSM has twisted all the facts.. google/ duckduckgo the awan brothers and see what they are hiding.

Is Fox not part of the MSM now?

yes mostly..

I'd be interested to know what your definition of mainstream media is that somehow doesn't include Fox.

And vice versa.

You mean trump + war is good Hillary Clinton is + war is bad

Meaning more than a few liberals are willing to accept that Hillary has nothing close to an anti-war record.

Disclaimer: Not even close to a Trump supporter.

Such Whataboutism.

You mean hypocrisy.

There's too many isms

Two legs bad, four legs good

Hillary wanted war with Russia, Trump is threatening war with North Korea.

Who do you think needs to be liberated more? The citizens of Russia or the citizens of North Korea?

They don't like it when you remind them that Trump threatened war with NK after he bombed Syria and made a 110 billion dollar weapons deal with Saudi Arabia.

I don't blame them. I'd also feel really stupid if Trump did all that after his fanboys said all throughout the election that Hillary was a warmonger who wanted to get involved in foreign wars.

They don't like it when you remind them that Trump threatened war with NK after

NK threatened war with the USA.

he bombed Syria

"Among the successes of the current policy, he said, are the near-cessation of civilian displacements inside Syria and Iraq, and the return of hundreds of thousands of displaced civilians to their homes in places previously occupied by the Islamic State." http://archive.is/xXIZ3

and made a 110 billion dollar weapons deal with Saudi Arabia.

Sep 7, 2016 - WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama's administration has offered Saudi Arabia more than $115 billion in weapons, other military equipment and training, the most of any U.S. administration in the 71-year U.S.-Saudi alliance, http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-security-idUSKCN11D2JQ

You're seriously arguing that Trump made a 110 billion dollar deal with Saudi Arabia just like Obama wanted to do? How much shit has Trump and his supporters talked about Saudi Arabia over the past year?

And Trump didn't just bomb ISIS in Syria. He fuckin bombed Assad.

A

110 billion dollar deal with Saudi Arabia

is a 110 billion dollar deal with Saudi Arabia. We do sell arms and arms accessories.

And Trump didn't just bomb ISIS in Syria. He fuckin bombed Assad.

And now Syria is being returning to the Syrian people.

And now Syria is being returning to the Syrian people.

That's a joke right?

The Washington Post is full of fake news but I don't think they do "jokes".

http://archive.is/xXIZ3

This article is about ISIS. Assad is still very much at war with Syrian rebels who want to overthrow him.

Assad commands the most battle hardened army in the middle east. He'll be fine.

I could be wrong, but I believe those were Obama's offers over 8 years. Trump offered 110 in his first go.

Overall, the Arab Gulf states went on a spending spree during the Obama years, and most of the money was spent on American arms.

If U.S. arms are not for sale, fine: French, Chinese, or Russian arms will be.

Arms sales also drive down the cost of our own weapons and thus the amount of money U.S. tax-payers have to spend on defense

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/americas-right-to-sell-arms/527805/

Obama's Final Arms-Export Tally More than Doubles Bush's

He bombed Syria

You're either ignorant of the situation or are purposefully misrepresenting what happened.

Trump was pressured to act because of "alleged" Darin gas attacks in the Ghouta of Damascus Syria (The exact same situation happening just 3 years earlier.... both times happening when the FSA was gaining ground on SDF and ISIS. Suspicious, no?)

SO Trump drops those famous MOABs on northern Syria as a warning to Assad. Great. But do you know what he struck?

An empty fucking airbase.

And not even the airbase, he struck the runway.

Concerning North Korea, I sincerely hope he limits military action to a preventive strategy. But judging on past presidential reelection war efforts, I hope he's not saving this one in his back pocket for 2020.

You're either ignorant of the situation or are purposefully misrepresenting what happened.

....

SO Trump drops those famous MOABs on northern Syria as a warning to Assad

Lol.

Read the rest of my post.

You were responding to my comment

He bombed Syria

You said I misrepresented the truth.

Then you talked about him bombing Syria.

He bombed an empty airbase. Please, FFS, stop deliberately misrepresenting the situation.

Dont give a fuck which Assad air force base he bombed. He bombed Assads air force base. Look dude, this was even a huge deal to big time Trump supporters. When it happened, the_donald split in half for a couple days between people who were like "what the fuck" and the people who couldn't find it in their heart to criticize him for any reason. Obviously you're in the later camp. That's cool. Keep cheerleading for war.

Uh, believe me, I was pissed for 3 days straight after that happened. It wasn't until reports starting coming out of what he bombed and the ramifications of it became clear.

He bombed an empty airbase (when a country is at war, you don't have empty airbases. They likely have a warning...) and even then, bombed a landing strip. It was repaired in days.

One could imagine that since the entire senate and house were clamoring for justice for "those poor children" Trump was pretty much forced to act. The president is not a dictator, no matter how much Obama convinced people otherwise.

I'm not a T_D poster so please keep stuffing your head into something as wide as your assumptions and as empty as your logical fallacies.

No because you don't have any idea what you are talking about. The MOAB was even used in Syria.

The airstrikes in Syria and the MOAB used in Afganistan are two completely separate events.

Trump was pressured to act because of "alleged" Darin gas attacks in the Ghouta of Damascus Syria (The exact same situation happening just 3 years earlier.... both times happening when the FSA was gaining ground on SDF and ISIS. Suspicious, no?)

Is Trump responsible for his actions or is he not?

He is.

He is.

I agree. Just like Obama was responsible for HIS actions. Plenty of folks argue that Obama was "pressured" into drone strikes and certain moves in the Middle East...I don't give a shit. The buck stops with him. Same with Trump.

I asked my question because I find it ridiculous that people are already excusing Trump's actions as if the man can't be held responsible for his own choices.

Bombing an empty airbase's landing strip (the situation in which we are speaking about currently) and is not even comparable to droning weddings in the ME.

Bombing an empty airbase's landing strip (the situation in which we are speaking about currently) and is not even comparable to droning weddings in the ME.

FYI I'm not downvoting you, and again, I agree.

But if we're going to dig into bombings that result in civilian casualties. Do you know how many innocent civilian have died in Syria and Iraq since Trump took office? Over a 1,000. Those deaths come from strikes that, again, the President has authorized.

SO Trump drops those famous MOABs on northern Syria as a warning to Assad.

MOAB was in Afghanistan

MOABs weren't dropped on that airbase, matter of fact, no MOABs were dropped in Syria at all. I guess you're confusing it with the 1 MOAB that dropped in Afghanistan.

Also, Trump had nothing to do with the MOAB mission. They didn't even tell Trump about the mission, which was in planning for months before they dropped it. The head General in Afghanistan has had approval to drop whatever he felt was needed for over a year. He asked for the MOAB months before Obama left office and it just took a while for the bomb to get delivered to Afghanistan.

Don't forget 38 billion defense deal w Israel and they have to spend it on US MIC companies

Source?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-israel-statement-idUSKCN11K2CI

So that happened when Obama was President, thanks for the confirmation.

Yeah, youre right for some reason I was thinking it was penned by Trump DoD, but it was Obama.

Really makes you wonder about the upvotes I got

Lol rightfully so, my friend.

what relevance does that have to the comment you are replying to?

you don't see what a 38 billion dollar arms deal has to do with it?

Yes please explain how an arms deal with Israel that was passed under Obama has anything to do with Trump pushing war with North Korea

You're right, it was passed under Obama, didn't realize that.

Kinda funny how many upvotes i got

Makes ya wonder what other misinformation get upvoted here.

After that sanctions bill dropped on his lap is anyone surprised? Congress bound themselves to any statement of "dumbass" muttered softly under breath about the President through that brilliant plan.

ELI5???

T_D support Trump no matter what. It's both endearing and frighteningly cultish.

It's political Stockholm Syndrome.

After giving up friends, social standing and even family, the ego cannot handle admitting it's wrong. Trump has, and continues to, make complete laughing stocks out of these poor fools. Backtracking on their professed beliefs and lying to themselves and others. All to avoid the massive self esteem hit on an already low self esteem pool.

I'd feel a lot more pity and empathy if they weren't such dicks about it.

I disagree. They just take it too far, and fail to see any reason against Trump's agenda points.

"I disagree." proceeds to basically give tl;dr of post he's replying to.

/facepalm

I thought that was cognitive dissonance

This. 100% this. Humility is always in style...some of his supporters are Christians too and hearing they lack humility/grace/forgiveness (Christlike values) falls on deaf ears.

What a bunch of shit, I don't know a single person who has jumped off the Trump train and I live in southern California.

So.. basically you know a lot of stubborn idiots?

Typical, stay up there on your high horse buddy. Condescension has been a real A+ strategy for you are yours this election cycle lol. I'm up for a civil discussion as it'll be a slow day at work, what 'new information' am I ignorant to that will sway my views on the POTUS?

You're up for civil discussion... Yet you proudly proclaim how ignorant everyone you know is..

lol

I proudly proclaim how ignorant people in southern California are? No sir, YOU project your ignorance and fear with these generalizing statements. We'll see what comes of the Manafort case, but I bet it'll be a big fat fucking nothing burger. Just like the all dumbass nothing burgers before. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Are you still clinging to this idea of Trump/Russia collusion LOL what a joke. Please fill me in on all the stuff I've missed in the last 3 months

lol I honestly don't care at all what you think..

In a few months you'll be deleting your account and claiming to all your friends that you never really supported Trump.

I have no dog in this fight, my views change as new evidence is presented.. If Trump was innocent I wouldn't give a shit that he's a Republican..

But based on his actions and everything that's come out, he's clearly going down sooner than later.

I'll enjoy being right.. because I closely followed the news.. and you can just lie like you have been all along.

It will work great.

So then.. you have nothing to say after all. What a surprise! http://imgur.com/hNJA5iG

Hahaha

TRUMP IS DONE FOR SAYS INCREASINGLY IRATE NON-BINARY GENDER FLUID PONYKIN FOR THE 9825th TIME THIS YEAR!

You've made no points at all, other than your emotion based arguments.

Cheers mate, i guess ignorance truly is bliss.

Nothing emotional about the 'points' I've made.. and really I havn't made any 'points' at all, I simply asked you to provide this "new evidence" you insinuated is so eye opening. Please enlighten me /s

I'm disappointed you give up so easily, color me shocked

People just don't want to argue with juveniles

People just don't want to argue with juveniles

Only insecure ideologies routinely declare opinions like that for lack of argument.

I'm nearly 30 thanks

I have no dog in this fight,

Who did you vote for?

I voted for the most qualified candidate as I always do.

I now want the corrupt, lying, cheater, out of office.

If you're taking sides based on party.. maybe that's the problem.

You don't want to say who you voted for? Just some self congratulatory cop out.

Maybe I didn't vote for an establishment party. Maybe you'll respond with some anti-third party spiel. Maybe that's the problem.

The classic buzzword statement. "FBI raids don't matter, it's a nothingburger because I say so."

Nothing burger because we've all been witness to a political witch hunt for 18 months now and still NOTHING.

That's absolutely not true

Whats not true? No witch hunt? Or that there IS evidence, subpoenas, charges, convictions for any of the hundreds of ridiculous accusations that get thrown around on MSM and news headlines across the country and internet... Please, please show me

There are currently investigations and subpoenas

Yeah man, I'm a hippie from southern California but astonishingly enough, there are more important things then weed. The well being and success of this country come first. Also, Trump has stated several times he'll leave marijuana up to states. There's a half decent bill going to be introduced to legalize at a federal level, first real shot we've had in a couple decades.

And Sessions is dead set against it

Is trump jr a nothingburger? What defines a nothingburger?

That alone shows collusion was sought out by the trump team. And that's the only public thing, just wait til the investigation is over.

I was on your side until you said nothingburger.

Sorry, you're right, I shouldn't use terms coined by CNN employees

It wasn't coined by them.

You people are so brainwashed its extremely sad... There are only two types of people on this conspiracy Forum. There's the people who read the WikiLeaks releases themselves over the last year to made up their own minds about what the fuck is going on and to understand today's political climate. Then , there are those who are comfortable being fed information through mainstream media , proven liars and deceivers with no integrity whatsoever owned by all the same interest groups. Wake the fuck up.

And then there are the people that look critically at every bit of information, and don't ever get complacent believing that one media source is correct every time and will always continue to be correct.

Because that is the definition of being a mindless sheep.

Thats funny because the Director of National Intelligence released this report in which they state that Russia was actually in control of Wikileaks.

So.. Congrats and buying into State Sponsored Propaganda.

Of course he did. Clearly you have not read anything your self because if you did you'd know what that actually meant when he said that.

WikiLeaks releases

I'm curious if you've spent any time questioning where those releases came from or who they benefit with their narrative.

He's one of those stubborn folks...

I did the second he announced his picks for his Admin. You run on talking shit about Clinton being in cahoots with Wall St then turn around and surround yourself with Goldman Execs and the former CEO of Exxon? Im not going to let someone piss on my boots and think that its rain you can enjoy that pitcher of koolaid to yourself.

He's a businessman... he's going to surround himself with businessmen. Not politicians. He ragged on Hillary for being BOUGHT and OWNED by these people. If you would listen to his speeches and when he talks about these people you would understand the perspective. I can relate to your viewpoints and I'm not saying that I agree with or like everything Trump says and does. He was the lesser of two evils... and is a hilarious troll.

I also agree that he was the lesser of two evils. However, to me it looks like he's another establishment candidate just like Hillary. He's doing things that benefit those same people that bought and owned Hillary. Being the lesser of two evils doesn't make you a good choice.

Being the lesser of two evils doesn't make you a good choice - you're correct, it made him the BETTER choice.

I live in Maryland and know plenty. The MidAtlantic Republicans are full of moderates or extreamists that want to be represented by good natured folk. Run down the conservative elected officials here and you are unlikely to find many "rootin tootin Grand Old Party" types. Pennsylvania wasnt won because of the rise of Rural PA and Steel Down going in support. It was won because staunchly Blue Philly suburbs came out in poor numbers, some even flipping considering their Red empathy. This is how places like Pennslyvania can flip back blue and create a major impact.

I know exactly one person in my life that is still supportive of Trump and it's a co-worker. Not a single friend or family member, thank God.

Trump supporter says he doesn't know a single person who has jumped off the Trump train. Not surprising.

These people have it so twisted. Don't bother arguing.

ah man Trumps doing such a horrible job with record breaking stock market, record low unemployment, absolutely shattering peoples expectations of job growth and GDP @ nearly 5% since he took office. Sooo twisted, what a bummer.

Now is that because of legislation passed by Trump or of policies still set from previous presidents?

Almost directly attributed to Trumps policies and even more so his dismantling of restrictions and regulations from the previous administration. I will happily dive into this with you tomorrow as this is my work account and I'm almost done for the day.

Yes, please do.

You probably didn't remember this but I was hoping you'd be able to run through those policies now.

Sorry I've been terribly busy and I completely forgot, will do.

Here are some major economic indicators throughout the last 20 years, Obama administration is highlighted. http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/05/31/20160301_obama.jpg Its through 2014 from us.gov sources, fact checked and highlighted by zerohedge. I think the only thing wrong on that is the estimated 14.5 tril in debt by 2018, we're much closer to 20tril... These will be the true test of an economic nationalist president like Trump. In the next 2 years you'll see most of these graphs turn around - foods stamps, home ownership, median family income. FED Debt accumulation will slow, (actually down 100bil+ since trump took office) aside from healthcare costs and fed debt. those graphs will turn. Time will show. As far as directly attributed to Trump? Consumer confidence, job creation, "Bull run" on the stock markets. Here is job growth expectation vs reality since Trump took office.

FEB 2017 - EST. 190K ACTUAL 298K https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/08/private-sector-jobs-february-2017-adp.html

MARCH 2017 EST. 187k ACTUAL 263k https://www.advfn.com/news_U-S-Private-Sector-Job-Growth-Far-Exceeds-Estimat_74272048.html

April 2017 - cant find sourced .gov estimate,but here - 'nonfarm' jobs estimate 190k vs 211k created https://secure.marketwatch.com/story/us-creates-211000-jobs-in-april-as-hiring-rebounds-2017-03-10

MAY 2017 job growth didn't meet expectations as US hits lowest unemployment % since 2001. Still good economic news, wages going up for 'non-supervisory' positions.

June 2017 EST 'nonfarm' EST 179k vs 222k actual https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/07/us-nonfarm-payrolls-june-2017.html

http://dennismichaellynch.com/trump-cuts-181-billion-regulatory-costs/

http://fortune.com/2017/05/25/bull-stock-market-donald-trump/

You probably didn't remember this but I was hoping you'd be able to run through those policies now.

Trump made a lot of promises in the run up to the election that I can think of off the top of my head.

He encouraged "LOCK HER UP!" chants. Hillary's still free. Trump could initiate an indictment against her at any time, seeing as how he's the Attorney General's boss. He hasn't.

He said he'd repeal the ACA "on day one." It's been 8 months, it's still around, and Trump said he had no idea health care "could be so complicated."

He said he had a plan to defeat ISIS "in 30 days." Again, 8 months later, they're still around.

The "big, beautiful wall" is now going to be see-through and only cover a portion of American's southern border. If it even gets built at all. That's not making America great again.

The Muslim ban? It keeps getting struck down in the courts for being unConstitutional, and they even rolled back the ban on bringing an iPad on the flight from Middle Eastern countries. Lame! Weak!

Oh my god, there's just so much winning! Meanwhile, Trump's coasting on the economy created since the crash nine years ago. Remember when everyone questioned those numbers? Yeah, I do. They're from the same institutions that everyone claimed were "fake" when Obama was president. Suddenly, the same numbers are magical indicators of Trump's economic prowess. You're not fooling us.

Caught red-handed cherry picking.. Sad attempt

Yes Trump says a lot of crazy things - art of the deal. Hillarys time will come. He immediately rescinded the penalty for not purchasing Obamacare and has been pushing for repeal since taking office. ISIS has lost several top leaders and has been very rapidly conceding ground to allied forces. Please take a look at Mad Dogs strategy and the current situation. Surround then annihilate. It was never a MUSLIM ban you ignorant fuck, it was a travel ban targeted at 7 specific countries where there were documented terrorist occupation and activities. Trump has been shattering expectations for job growth and GDP. Paving the way for a massive infrastructure spending bill and breathing life into the manufacturing backbone across the country. BUT PLEASE KEEP PUSHING YOUR NARRATIVE, ITS TOTALLY WORKING

And they'll vote for him again just to prove they were never wrong.

This is fascinating to watch, since /u/SkyGrl377 had previously been a Trump supporter. She posted THIS to T_D 3 weeks ago, which I tagged and marked with her username. Then attempted to delete.

She was offered a free (online, I imagine) beer for the post by a user in that post:

[–]GenericInsult 2 points 21 days ago MAGA be with you SkyGrl377.

This is interesting, at least to me. I have most of T_D posters tagged, around 25k of them. And I am seeing more and more posts like these, people I have tagged because of their strong Trump Support. But who now are, seemingly, pretending it was never them at all.

You want a conspiracy? I should share my tagged list. It would stun you to see how many are jumping off the bandwagon these days.

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Interesting.

Very interesting.

Interesting.

Very interesting.

Check some of the new mods histories. Interesting read. Got banned by one with a history you are describing. It goes deep.

It goes deep.

Ah, the old "It goes deep."

Curious, but do you have me tagged?

what's your theory?

artificial intelligence bots? hired hands?

also... any clue to see what percentage of these accounts are now distancing themselves?

you have legitimately insightful data... figure out how to synthesize that ASAP

One possibility is black propaganda. A user can pretend to be on one side, but post a very shitty submission that is easily debunked or makes that side look bad. They may then have forgotten they used that account for the Trump "support," and later post anti-Trump material. I'm not accusing OP of anything because I have not perused their history, but this is a possibility to keep in mind in general.

interesting. i've wondered, over the last few months, if/how we might see a counter to the white/grey/black propaganda stuff. since clint watt's senate testimony i feel like all of this is being targeted more

I've noticed something like this with some Trump supporters claiming to be Bernie Bros. Not saying they're all like this, but some definitely are pretending to be.

This reverse psychology shit is how they got Trump elected. For example the whole pussy grabbing thing made him more popular, not less (most people aren't stupid enough to be outraged at something like this, they get mad at the fake outrage). Somehow we're supposed to think political strategists can't poll, and couldn't have predicted this?

Also remember the whole July 4 "antisemitic poster" controversy? Nobody in his right mind could think Trump is judeoskeptical; yet Americans were bombarded by the media with the poster (under the guise "look how horrendous it is") which read "Clinton Most Corrupt Candidate Ever" on the very same holiday week-end as Comey saying, in substance, "She's a criminal but she's above the law".

I wrote about it at the time but that wasn't a popular opinion.

Note I'm not defending the sociopath child abuser and war criminal Clinton. Just saying she played the role of the scarecrow. For every super-hero you need a super-villain.

Here are the five levels of truth. Here is the conspiracy of trust.

Simplest explanation: the ridiculousness is hitting a breaking point with an increasing number of his (former) supporters?

I have most of T_D posters tagged, around 25k of them.

You just earned yourself a "McCarthyist" tag.

Are you saying TD are Russians? Can't disagree there.

So original. So brave.

Well? Isn't that what you said? You called it McCarthyism...which was in reference to communism and the soviets...which are now Russia...and you are calling people tagging TD users as McCarthyism...so gunna have to explain yourself.

Should I have made a scarlet letter analogy instead?

He wanted to know when he was dealing with government shills, that's not McCarthyism.

keep painting with broad strokes.

Her account is also 17 days old and it went anti trump sometime around the trans ban. The timing of this persons political switch is interesting if anything.

In more wild world, it could be that these accounts were created to show the illusion of lost support, which is most likely what's happening imo. I do really wonder who is real here and who isn't a bot, for all I know even the original poster of this comment might be a bot.

The grossest crime this year has been the absolute perversion of the truth.

How can you tell how old the account is? If the account is only 17 days old then she could not have made that post /u/WagTheKat is referencing since that was 22 days ago. Or were you just going by the oldest visible comment?

this is more stupid Trump Spam in my conspiracy

Truth ^ so refreshing

False. Her account was created in June. Do some research and stop spreading lies.

So your actual theory is that bots or hired hands are spreading Trump propaganda only to then turn into non supporters only to HOPE Trump does somthing like threaten nuclear war and that niche subreddits connect the dots on usernames.

Damn I need a smoke after that.

Can you tell me how you know differently? It's a perfectly logical theory. On a conspiracy theory board.

I even said its a theory. I do find it interesting that the accusation is flipped now on me. It confirms several other things I've been watching.

I think it's more likely Skygirl is on the old ShareBlue payroll - nearly all her posts (its posts, I don't want to assume genders) are anti-trump.

It is very hard to tell now in days. It's very frustrating.

If they were attempting to show the illusion of lost support why would the pro-trump post be deleted and why has the user made no mention of formerly being a supporter?

Well, does there need to be a mention when the facts are looking you in the face? I'm just deducing and probably wrong... I can't repeat how little stock I put into these theories since they're just theories. I have a feeling that'll change soon though.

The t-d post was deleted so I think it's the opposite of facts looking you in the face. If this guy hadn't tagged her basically no one would know

Her account is also 17 days old and it went anti trump sometime around the trans ban. The timing of this persons political switch is interesting if anything.

In more wild world, it could be that these accounts were created to show the illusion of lost support, which is most likely what's happening imo. I do really wonder who is real here and who isn't a bot, for all I know even the original poster of this comment might be a bot.

The grossest crime this year has been the absolute perversion of the truth.

You either posted this 10 times or are a bot

I refuse to download the Reddit app, I guess the browser spammed my post

Her account is also 17 days old and it went anti trump sometime around the trans ban. The timing of this persons political switch is interesting if anything.

In more wild world, it could be that these accounts were created to show the illusion of lost support, which is most likely what's happening imo. I do really wonder who is real here and who isn't a bot, for all I know even the original poster of this comment might be a bot.

The grossest crime this year has been the absolute perversion of the truth.

Her account is also 17 days old and it went anti trump sometime around the trans ban. The timing of this persons political switch is interesting if anything.

In more wild world, it could be that these accounts were created to show the illusion of lost support, which is most likely what's happening imo. I do really wonder who is real here and who isn't a bot, for all I know even the original poster of this comment might be a bot.

The grossest crime this year has been the absolute perversion of the truth.

Her account is also 17 days old and it went anti trump sometime around the trans ban. The timing of this persons political switch is interesting if anything.

In more wild world, it could be that these accounts were created to show the illusion of lost support, which is most likely what's happening imo. I do really wonder who is real here and who isn't a bot, for all I know even the original poster of this comment might be a bot.

The grossest crime this year has been the absolute perversion of the truth.

why do you tag T_D users and search through post history then act like that post you referenced from skygrl is some kind of an anomaly in T_D?

That's the scariest part, imo. Someone is tagging users and saving their posts and history? Creepy.

I can see saving individual posts that are criminal or something, but just people that post on T_D? Orwellian.

Background checks are not creepy lmao

Not normally, no. But when someone is just keeping a private database of the users of a particular sub and their posts, yeah, it's a little creepy.

Not at all. It's publicly available information that is super easy to acquire and even easier to hide. The tools to do it are available to everyone and easy to use.

I post on another forum, with about 30-45 active users, and have for going on a decade now. I know so much truly personal information about everyone there (and likewise, they do of me) and it's purely from memory. Is that creepy? No.

When participating in a community, the experience is amplified when you behave like a community which involves knowing a little bit about the people you're communicating with.

I tag users with RES all the time. There is nothing creepy about it. However, your attempt to manipulate other people's thoughts and behaviors to conform to your nonsensical control scheme... I wonder what we could call that?

"your attempt to manipulate other people's thoughts and behaviors to conform to your nonsensical control scheme... I wonder what we could call that?"

Bullshit, that's what I call it.

weird you're saying mass tagging of internet strangers is not creepy. is it wrong? eh no? just because it's available and easy for someone to do does not make it less creepy. messed up dude! or lady! good luck with your lists

Lol. Do you feel better about yourself now?

Haha a little!

i'm glad :)

How so? You can't deny that there is a high percentage of users that come out of T_D to post extremely biased and inflammatory posts. If he is tagging them with things that show that they are these kind of users, it gives him the ability to ignore/not respond to their comments when reading through a thread.

You could call it creepy I suppose. I think it's just an effective way to filter out the noise.

"these kind of users"?

They're trolls. T_D is a silly place. It's like a PG rated 4chan dedicated to the president. It's weird that people take it so seriously. Tagging and doxxing the posters there just makes it weirder.

Especially putting in the effort to tag and follow 25,000 accounts. There has to be more productive activities, even on reddit.

Never said anything about doxxing. Simply seeing a post of theirs and tagging them in relation to it. That is nothing nefarious.

Idk about that guy, but to be honest I've tagged some so I can mock them post-trump.

Everybody needs a hobby, I guess. I am just not that into chasing people around the internet to mock them. I take each opportunity to mock as it comes. Carpe Ludibrium, if you will.

Carpe Ludibrium

Ha, seize the game, that's a good one!

I respect that though. To me it's kind of like hunting them out in the "wilds" of reddit, and then if I catch one I get to tag them with a fuchsia "big ol' faggot"

tic toc tic toc...

A lot were Trump supporters because they disliked and wanted Hillary Clinton to lose. Now Hillary is irrelevant so it is no longer necessary to be a Trump supporter.

Post it. It would probably get taken down by the mods here but go for it.

Yeah I've been suspicious of the account as well. I've noticed quite a few users doing that, and then deleting their accounts and using similar methods with other accounts.

As an avid trump supporter i can tell u that the blind circlejerking and coverup posts (that cover up real news like Hillary)

Do not represent the majority of us

Its not organic its jighly curated by the mod team

Any criticizm of trump or even of anyone mildly related to trump is banned and only circlejerking is allowed

As an example: many people hated sessions for a long time but when trump criticized him we were finally allowed to speak.

Quickly after he decided to keep him on criticizing sessions bacame banned again

Many people dont want war (although fire and fury doesnt necessarily refer to nukes)

But mods only allow duck posts

Hes being duped by the neocons and democrats into abandoning his promise.

Or perhaps you were duped by Trump for believing in his promises in the first place?

Yes. Or perhaps YOU were duped into thinking he was corrupt

Hm, I wonder what's more likely.

Probably the simplest answer.

And sorry its not thar trumps a secret russian sleeper agent whos being paid thousands of dollars by wall st

Or a billionaire with a long history of shady practices and dealings may be corrupt?

I can't think of any major promises, aside from the wall, that he has had to break. The healthcare bill was out of his control, really, but I suppose you could chalk that up to him breaking a promise if that's your thing.

...how about his promise that he wouldn't have time to golf because he'd be too busy "making American great again?" Or his promise to "lock her up?"

Trump is a pathological liar, keeping promises or even remembered what he promised isn't his MO.

Oh, shoot, you're right, haha. I actually forgot those points. It's actually kind of pathetic how much he pushed for locking her up and then... nothing.

He can't even get the fbi off his back job the hell is he supposed to prosecute her?

"Blind circle jerking"

"Real news like Hillary"

shillbot

someone disagrees with me so they must be a robot

No. Just trying to cover up for hillary

If your guy is dumb enough to be "duped" he was never a good candidate to begin with.

At least she was able to adjust her views based on new evidence. People should never be mocked for this. She should be praised being an adult about it. No one is right 100% of the time and you tagging her like this will make less people want to openly switch sides. Only do this if they are flipflopping for karma for sure.

Nice work!!

You tagged 25,000 accounts?? Good god man

What do you expect?

They're the same people that buy into the Kekistan and "meme magic" bullshit, because they are too dumb, clueless, and jumping to conclusions to realise that it's subconsciously-trained "linking" ,coincidences, and the Theory of Attraction.

The same people that think Trump is "le god emperor of mankind"

HE'S NOT! IF HE WAS, THEY'D BE NO THREATS OF NUCLEAR ANNIHILATION, AT THE MOST, HE'S GOG OF MAGOG!

Oh the irony, you are trying to make fun of their intellect while you don't realize this whole "meme magic" thing isn't something they believe in. They understand the mechanics behind it. You don't think its funny? Sure, I get that, but thinking they believe in that stuff is laughable. They only use it as a way to breed a common culture. You should be able to see the power behind that.

If they don't believe it, yet still spout it, they're pretty un aware of themselves and how the large majority of the politically savvy public think they're completely, utterly crackers.

I think you are mistaken.

Oh my god you think its a "belief" in the same sense as you people "believe" in global warming when its a science not a religion (until you made it one)?

Liberals have literally lost it man. long ago.

romanticizing a green frog that is literally just shitposting

ignoring you seemingly thinking climate change is a religion, what opinions do liberals rag on you for?

ignoring you seemingly thinking climate change is a religion, what opinions do liberals rag on you for?

If it isn't why is it always framed as "You don't BELIEVE in climate change?" when it is not even a settled science. When you say 'well it is historically documented as cyclical' instantly it is "OMG! a climate change DENIER! Then personal character attacks and personal insults. "believe.... denier"... yep found the INQUISITOR!

Except it is, for the most part, settled science and anyone who makes the "well [climate] is historically documented as cyclical" argument to hand wave away anthropogenic climate change is immediately outing themselves as being utterly unfamiliar with the science.

Natural cyclical changes in the climate aren't magic, they are a result of measurable, physical factors and those factors are simply not sufficient to explain the sudden and sustained increase in global temperatures observed in the last two hundred years. You know what does explain that increase? The massive amount of CO2 being released into the atmosphere by human activities beginning with the industrial revolution. Even studies in 1999 and further back, relying on what now would be considered fairly primitive models, demonstrate the lack of a solid scientific basis for the notion that global temperature changes are attributable to natural causes. Yet you continue to parrot that belief.

Here are several, more recent scientific studies regarding the impact of anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions on the climate and why the "it's a natural cycle" argument is utterly unsupported by the science. Read them and educate yourself.

Rekt

Except it is, for the most part, settled science and anyone who makes the "well [climate] is historically documented as cyclical" argument to hand wave away anthropogenic climate change is immediately outing themselves as being utterly unfamiliar with the science.

No. It isn't if it was it wouldn't be "for the most part". By your own admission climate change is a belief. For it to be fact it would have to be "for the whole part".

Liberalism is a marxist cult of belief, and climate change is a play for control of industry just like Karl Marx wrote in his manifesto. Period.

I love how you turned my non liberal/non conservative opinion into some image you have in your head of me based on your own cognitive dissonance/biases.

Even the slightest different opinion will get you personally attacked mercilessly by liberals like they think they are the authority in all matters. Liberalism is a cult. plain and simple.

I'm literally dying of an irony attack right here.

Proof of your psychic ability pls. "Obvious" is not an answer, you are speaking from ego, not facts. The facts are against you so I'll wait.

I'd say being able to have a sense of humor about all this is a sign of greater self awareness.

I think you're taking a tongue-in-cheek joke way too seriously, friend.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegut

Other people arent in on the joke whenever you do something "ironically". Worse yet, some of those people will start mimicing the same behaviour, without ever realizing it was a joke to begin with. Kekistan amd meme magic and talk of God Emperors may have started as jokes, but even if no one actually believes it's true in the literal sense people are sympathetic to the ideas behind the sentiment. Fact of the matter is there are a lot of people now who subconciously believe that Trump can do no wrong, and whatever your stance on politics it's not good to think that anyone is without faults.

You say that if it wasn't for Trump we would not have a problem with NK?

What do we all think was going to happen when we spent years making fun of the NK's leader? We made Saturday Night Live jokes and segments. We applauded a movie about how stupid the guy is and constantly say how bad he is etc. Do you think that someone isn't going to come out fighting when they are attacked? The American population has ridiculed this reign the same as a bully picks on students within schools. Own up to you and everyone being the problem and stop placing the blame on one guy.

Also many people must not realized that Guam is the home of Anderson Airforce base. Remember all those times we all heard about how important a place called Andersons Airforce base was but many of us assumed it was located in the US? Surprise. its Guam.

Lol, threatening nuclear war is a sane response to being mocked?

Of course threatening nuclear war is not a sane response for any reason. But with someone who is humiliated constantly expect that someone to come out fighting and responding in extreme forms. As long as people keep making fun of someone there will be little chance for negotiation that can improve the situation. One cant expect appositive forward result without offering some form of respect.

My point is that one man (Trump) is not completely responsible for this NK BS. We the majority of people within the US has spent years making fun of NK's leader's character and we all need to learn to back down. This man is at the point that he is willing to use a nuclear bomb just to be taken seriously. Its wise that we change how we talk about him and keep our negative opinions to ourselves This must be defused..

T_D support Trump no matter what.

T_D as a subreddit supports Trump no matter what. Many times you'll catch dissidence in the comments, but the mods quickly delete and ban those that go against the grain there. That place is locked down by the mods so much that the users don't get to see it happening.

Yep. I am not a Trump supporter, but sometimes have synergies with them. I posted in there, a post that could be interpreted "Fuck Trump" but actually was "Fuck Them (meaning the political establishment)" and was instantly banned. I messaged the mods a couple of times, explained my position, and offered to edit the comment. I got back a reluctant "Okay, but don't do it again" and they rescinded my ban.

If you don't see that part of the messages, it looks like everyone is rah-rah-rah. What is actually happening is everyone who posts rah-rah-rah is allowed. Anyone who goes against message is banned instantly.

the blind circlejerking and coverup posts (that cover up real news like Hillary)

Do not represent the majority of us

Its not organic its jighly curated by the mod team

Any criticizm of trump or even of anyone mildly related to trump is banned and only circlejerking is allowed

As an example: many people hated sessions for a long time but when trump criticized him we were finally allowed to speak.

Quickly after he decided to keep him on criticizing sessions bacame banned again

Many people dont want war (although fire and fury doesnt necessarily refer to nukes)

But mods only allow duck posts

Edit: as another reply. Youll find suspicious stuff everywhere

If u go to r/esist and tag there top commentors youll find 5 accounts all talking to each other. And eventually getting shafowbanned. Then replaced with 5 new accounts

Ps. If u look at it. Trump really needs to get rid of sessions kelly mcmasters etc if he wants to get advice that will actually help the american ppl

Hes being duped by the neocons and democrats into abandoning his promise.

And the fake news and td is making it impossible for him to see ehat his supporters really want

You understand, I hope, that The_Donald is a domreddit dedicated to supporting Donald Trump, and even if people there have doubts, they are willing to act as a barricade against every single other subreddit which all act as de-facto anti-Trump subreddits.

In other words, a cult.

Nope! Rational actors coming together in their differences to oppose another force by a rationally selected means.

Please enlighten us. What are these "rationally selected means"?

Insulting and banning anyone who disagrees with them. You know, normal rational things.

Why, to say "the country has gone too far left, in resistance, the enemy of my enemy is my friend" of course.

Definition of a cult:

a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.

Even if T_D sincerely worshiped the God Emperor, "strange or sinister" are subjective terms...but their echo chamber has created many strange memes. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, they get pretty intense at times, to say the least.

a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.

100% this. If there was two things that defined T_D, it would be 1.) Cult of Personality (and not the song), and 2.) White Nationalism. I mean, they have taken "Cult of Personality" to extreme, bizarre lengths, and there is nothing rational about them.

I have to ask one question before engaging, to good faith: Were you similarly concerned about Obama's following?

Scary buzzword. It's just a fucking online forum dude.

In other words, a safe space.

I do.

There's not a damn thing endearing about referring to POTUS as "God Emperor".

Plus the slightest dissent is a banning.

Endearing? Why?

a different user base took over T_D, not the original election pedes.

professional war inc and corporate GOP types own T_D now.

Then maybe the original election pedes should make themselves known and take it back?

One of the biggest criticisms of Clinton was that she was a war hawk and would start a war somewhere. Now here we are with the president bragging about the advancements he's made to his nuclear arsenal, and adding 52 billion to the military budget.

I don't see a difference and I have been there for a year. Nice try.

I've barely visited t_d but I remember users mentioning this a lot around October/November last year. Same time-frame with pizzagate. I can believe T_D got taken over.

That's my understanding too. When they forced to ban PG content.

That "different user base" was always present. It's just that the voices of individuals are only sometimes artificially drowned out. Particularly when it comes to Trump's populist promises. I was banned from r/the_donald for arguing in favor of universal healthcare. I linked to articles where Trump himself said we should have universal healthcare in the US, that we'd save money that way, and that the government would pay for it.

What's the difference from R/politics praising every Trump/Russia conspiracy under the sun. Both are to the same ends...war. Wait...who owns Reddit?

I haven't seen a single post or comment on politics calling for anything close to war with Russia.

Every time you mention r/poilitics people ACTUALLY show up to defend it. SMH. It is enough that they are pawns for the Deep State's propaganda machine. The war mongers will take care of the rest!..Dick Cheney: Russian Election Interference Possibly ‘Act of War’

/politics is an extremely liberal sub. If you think Dick Cheney is the person that will make them think of war with Russia as a good option then your reasoning needs work.

I'm aware R/politics is really R/democrats, thanks!

And you're not aware Dick Cheney is basically the devil incarnate to them? Well until Trump came along anyway.

More than aware. Are you aware that Neo-McCarthyist fear mongering plays right into the hands of war mongers?

Of COURSE you got down voted, they are stupid enough to think we don't see the pattern and wont just at the first alternative available because of the iniquity.

He got downvoted because he built a strawman. Do you really think there are shills on here downvoting comments in the middle of the night?

He got downvoted because he built a strawman. Do you really think there are shills on here downvoting comments in the middle of the night?

I know there are.

Guy forgets what timezones Russia is in.

Bots don't sleep.

Maybe Trump is just TPTB's way of making us numb to glaring contradictions in leadership. A way to condition the public to accept doublethink for the sake of defeating a terrifying enemy. Think of how many contradictions Hillary has made her supporters willing to accept.

So you;re saying we shouldn't stand up for ourselves in the face of threats, got it, you love weakening our nation.

Absolutely not what anyone is saying, but don't let that get in the way of your urgent cognitive dissonance self relief.

Your Strawman is plain redicilous.

That's a lot of words you don't know the meaning of in one post.

Here's an example of real cognitive dissonance: NK threatens to nuke us and president says we'll defend ourselves = the president is advocating nuclear war.

Like he world has never seen.

You know we dropped 2 nukes right? The world saw that. So this )// to be bigger.

This is honestly the dumbest thing I have ever heard and it keeps getting repeated as if its a line.... You're taking what Trump is saying literally AND assuming he actually means it/plans to do it? When was the last time Trump actually did or meant what he said? He's a stooge with a script. What we need to ask is who is set to make money off of a war with NK.

To these people, telling NK we will defend ourselves in case they shoot a nuke at us = advocating a nuclear war.

To these people, telling NK we will defend ourselves in case they shoot a nuke at us = advocating a nuclear war.

Every time we let them near the wheel they try to literally kill us. Clinton gave this shit to NK to use and Obama literally gave Iran the space it needed to develop its shit unmolested.

Every time we let them near the wheel they try to literally kill us,

That's never happened, but the US did literally kill and injure hundreds of thousands of Korean civilians. That's an actual fact, unlike your "literally tried to kill us" lie. But yeah, Korea is the bully here...

Clinton gave this shit to NK to use and Obama literally gave Iran the space it needed to develop its shit unmolested. Handed it to them!

What's the old saying: "an armed society is a polite society". Maybe the US military would stay inside its borders if more countries had nukes.

Protip: Team America: World Police was a satire mocking the US for trying to be the world police, not an instruction video.

That's never happened, but the US did literally kill and injure hundreds of thousands of Korean civilians. That's an actual fact, unlike your "literally tried to kill us" lie. But yeah, Korea is the bully here...

Oh I know we only had a Korean war against your communism.

What's the old saying: "an armed society is a polite society". Maybe the US military would stay inside its borders if more countries had nukes.

We are armed that's why its not a communist dictatorship like you want so badly and will never be one.

Communism has killed more people in history than any other government devised by man by many orders of magnitude. If one requires a background check to buy a gun you damn well better believe no communist nation will have a nuke!

Protip: Team America: World Police was a satire mocking the US for trying to be the world police, not an instruction video.

Self defense is not policing, self defense is self defense, and liberalism is the satire today.

To these people, telling NK we will defend ourselves in case they shoot a nuke at us = advocating a nuclear war.

Except Trump said "if they keep threatening" not if they attack. So it's a preemptive threat Trump made not one in self defense.

We do a great job weakening ourselves on a daily basis with our own stupidity.

Trigger happy military entanglements don't not equal strength.

Trigger happy military entanglements don't not equal strength.

Weakness is strength to a nihilist, that's why your insanity was removed from every office in the land. Fix yourself.

Democrats are extremely pro war. Killary was advocating for nuclear war with Russia... remember? Remember how man sovereign nations she overthrew with her "we came, we saw, he died... muahahahahahahahahaha" world view? You should reregister as a murderous democrat.

You should reregister as a murderous democrat.

I'm sorry show us on the dolly where we attacked and not responded?

Psychopaths attack based on a mere threat. Liberals have been blocked from public office because conservatives cheat: gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc. etc. Go Fuck yourself, I don't need to be fixed.

Psychopaths attack based on a mere threat.

Sane strong leaders reply in kind, which is what just happened. Please point on the dolly where the attack happened.

Liberals have been blocked from public office because conservatives cheat:

You mean the democrat blocked from office by the democrat party named Sanders?

gerrymandering,

lol yeah always "gerrymandering" when you lose the votes in the area lmfao like you're saying you don't care how they vote against you now and you'll force yourself on them anyway.

voter suppression, etc. etc.

Soros Antifa?

Who the fuck cares what T_D is up to.
Take it to r/politics. This isn't even a god damned conspiracy.

This isn't even a god damned conspiracy.

The conspiracy in this case would be the subreddit controlling the narrative by censoring dissenters. The conspiracy would be people being paid to post pro-war bullshit even though most legitimate Trump supporters don't want WW3.

If you think T_D is "controlling the narrative" I've got bad, bad news for you. The world is much, much larger than Reddit.

r/politics? oh boy

People get banned from safe spaces and make new accounts

There is a difference between being the aggressor in Syria vs. being the defender in the Pacific. NK's missiles have diverted civilian airliner traffic.

Trump's phraseology was not helpful, however. He should have either entered into missile test treaty negotiations with NK or taken the Reagan approach of unilaterally drawing a line in the ocean. As it is now, Trump matched Kim Jong-un's grade school name calling, and Kim Jong-un upped the ante with a specific and credible threat to launch near Guam. Trump lost that round.

TL;DR: Defending against NK good. Trump's approach fail.

Yep. Being pro-war or anti-war are both idiotic. It depends on the war.

Christian Just War theory. It is embedded in our culture and very dna, that's why even republicans turned on Bush, they will fight when it is right, and will not when it is wrong.

they will fight when it is right, and will not when it is wrong.

It's almost we have some sort of, I don't know, standards. We could make up a word for it! "Morals" seems to roll off the tongue quite well.

It's almost we have some sort of, I don't know, standards. We could make up a word for it! "Morals" seems to roll off the tongue quite well.

Standards? What standards? They change all the time! Liberals were once for free speech and have yet to define "Equality" or decide who gets to determine once it it reached! Puhlease!

This is the "ideology" that literally removed God from the platform in 1012 the only standards liberalism has ever had is its eternal war against its own country, constitution, morals, values, laws and freedoms!

Morals? Liberals argue to kill babies. Permanent moral low ground.

Actually I think that Kim Jong-in replied with an equal statement when he said he was going to fire four missiles at Guam but this statement was taken as literal as we misunderstand the context.

The number four is a VERY bad luck number. They think of this number as being death, total destruction. Basically the NK leader was posturing himself the same as Trump did. 'Mess with me and I will reign down fire and fury'. He used different words to say the same thing.

But is important at this time to be very vigilant.

Do you actually think Trump did not speak after a thorough psychological profile of Kim was presented? You are mistaken. Trump knows what he is doing. Kim is a bully, he is doing to Kim literally exactly what he did to liberalism. Knocking him mentally on his ass where he should be.

...Trump wouldn't know how to interpret a psychological profile if it was shoved a foot up his urethra. Regardless of what you want to believe, that's so far out of his knowledge that you might as well expect him to understand schematics for a jet engine. The man's not completely retarded, but let's be reasonable.

If you wanted to claim he was given a document with prepared lines to use, I'd maybe believe it.

...Trump wouldn't know how to interpret a psychological profile if it was shoved a foot up his urethra.

Run for president ace, show us how it's done.

Sure, lemme just get on being a silver spoon millionaire, a couple decades obtaining myself into popular culture, and backroom deals with every politician, shady journalist, billionaire industrialist and backstabbing globalist agent I can find.

None of that takes bring able to comprehend and react to a psychological profile. Which is a good thing for Trump, because he can't. He doesn't have the education or experience to do that for himself. What he has is money to tell someone to do it and then tell him what to do.

Why are you so defensive of someone who literally couldn't give any fucks about you personally?

Do you feel the need to speak up for him, because your personal views are being constantly challenged everytime you bring him, or the sub up?

Do you have access to the whitehouse and these briefings to make the claims you are making about "do you actually think". If you have to ask that question, don't YOU think it is because you cannot believe their are other people with views different to yours. It certainly would go a long way to explaining why you launched into a tirade at me for being a 'liberal', when I'm the furthest thing from it?

If you're constantly challenged and questioned outside of your space in the T_D, maybe, just maybe, the community you're part of is an echo chamber, the same way as a repub/dem/labour/toryXdup/snp based sub would be?

Why are you so defensive of someone who literally couldn't give any fucks about you personally?

Proof of your psychic ability pls.

Again, you're taking this waaaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously. If you didn't feel defensive for him, you wouldn't be responding to me fam! :) Enjoy your day.

The facts are against you so I'll wait.

No brah, they're against you. You can't attack a country based on an idle perceived threat.

No brah, they're against you. You can't attack a country based on an idle perceived threat.

Oh we attacked them? When? Idle threats are threats to nuke?

A Trunp supporter calling another world leader a bully? Do you have to take something for all that cognitive dissonance?

after a thorough psychological profile of Kim was presented?

So you're attacking people based on psychological profiles now? Only bully here is you and your bum buddy truomjmpf.

So you're attacking people based on psychological profiles now?

The military does psych profiles and presents options to president how to speak with them for projected reactions based on that profile. Wow you love to pretend intelligence while actually speaking the opposite. Let me guess, you're "liberal" right?

Only bully here is you and your bum buddy truomjmpf.

I'm going to guess anywhere between ages 15-18 and cannot even do his own laundry or change a car tire.

Wow, not a single fact in that "profile" of yours. Just so far off it's not even funny.

Ok throw away no K account.

taken the Reagan approach

He went with the Nixon approach

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r/the_donald is strictly controlled just like r/politics is, just like r/sandersforpresident is, just like all major political subreddits

If you don't say the right things, they ban you. Yeah, the mods are in on it. Even if you're supporting your stance with the words of Trump himself, expect to get banned if you go against their narrative. They likely also have some degree of astroturf pushing the pro-war message too, but the pro-Trump astroturf is basically impossible for me to distinguish from legitimate supporters due to the tone they employ. On the flipside, it's usually pretty easy to tell when someone who is pro-Democrat are clearly bad actors because they can't hide behind "meme magic" or whatever.

never have gotten banned for a dissenting opinion while on SFP

Yet was banned for a 'dissenting' comment that had positive karma on T_D.

The two sides are not the same.

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never have gotten banned for a dissenting opinion while on SFP

You must not have dissented in the "right" way or maybe you've just slipped under the radar for now. I was super active during the primaries, but although I was only able to slip under the radar for a few months, they got me eventually shortly before the primaries ended (and the shill mods shut down the sub altogether). For me, they accused me of "fearmongering" because I talked about the fraud that was being committed against the Sanders campaign and backed up my claims with links to credible news outlets. I also made it clear that Clinton was wholly unacceptable to me and that I'd be voting Green in the general if I couldn't vote for Bernie, so that might have done it too. A ton of people at r/wayofthebern have also been banned under similar circumstances, so I know it's not just me.

"The two sides are not the same", true, but that doesn't mean that both don't employ bans to censor dissenters. Also, although Trump supporters are frequently hate-filled and although Trump himself supports hateful policies, r/the_donald is not a "hate sub". The only things they hate on there are corruption, criminality, and Democrats. The users might be bigots and Trump himself is one without a doubt, but that sub is careful to not allow it. Obviously for public relations reasons, but even so, it's not a "hate sub".

never have gotten banned for a dissenting opinion while on SFP

I have. Twice

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Yeupp. Calling complete bullshit on this. Regular poster on /politics and /worldnews so I doubt you ever posted a dissenting opinion on S4P.

I was banned because one of the mods went through my post history and found a blatantly ironic anti trump copypasta posted to /r/circlejerk. Was banned for breaking the 'trump supporters only' rule lol

If you don't say the right things, they ban you.

You have to really be an asshole and looking to argue disrespectfully (typical liberal) to be banned from T_D

Nice joke.

Nice joke.

It's the truth. Nice baseless comment.

Um, that person is correct. You are not correct.

Um, that person is correct. You are not correct.

Oh I know I only have a few hundred K karma and a year at T_D , of course his liberal political disparagement is correct.

Dude, the sub IS ban happy. You're living a lie.

Dude, the sub IS ban happy. You're living a lie.

Don;t be disruptive and you won;t get banned. I was banned my first post on Politics, didn't even say anything at all bad when I asked why the official response was I had more than 70% of my karma in T_D, I was banned from politicalhumor for being conservative no reason given just this week, I have been banned from probably 100 subs even fucking HISTORY just because I am a member of conservative subs so shut the fuck up, if you get banned from T_D you're being an idiot, no other reason.

I'll admit I'm not a Trump supporter, so technically that's against their rules, but I have literally never said anything negative about him anywhere on Reddit (except for a single comment which was a blatant joke, in another subreddit) or been at all disruptive. I even messaged the mods about it, and never got a reply.

Other people have been banned from the sub for other completely stupid reasons, they seem about as ban happy as all the other political subs, just shilling for a different side.

Bull-fucking-shit!!! You don't get banned from /r/politics for dissenting opinion. Stop spreading misinformation. You do however get banned immediately from T_D.

Yes you do. Don't lie to yourself.

I believe they are glad, after 8 years of Obama, to see a leader making bold comments like this.

They should move to North Korea, their leader makes comments like that all the time.

No this time it's DIFFERENT! Forget gulf war 1 & 2, forget Afghanistan. Forget "assad gassed his own people". This time the threat is REAL!

Bots, Bots everywhere.

TD is a bot fueled sesspit.

Don't forget to include r/Politics is for brainwashed sheep.

Irrelevant, the subject is The_Dumbasses

If T_D users are all just bots like you say, then why don't these bots overwhelmingly take over Reddit with pro-trump propaganda? Why is it all just relegated to the one subreddit?

Why don't these bots just downvote all the /r/politics posts that make the front page daily?

Why aren't these bots heavily downvoting you and upvoting the guy you replied to?

When, in all my comment history, have I ever said the word bot?

Not you, I'm talking about OP and the guy who replied.

You replied to my comment?

Because you defended the guy that made the claim of bots.

Why is this downvoted??

It's Whataboutism, a classic deflection.

It didn't deflect at all, it just added to the discussion.

T_D users are bots Don't forget to mention /r/politics users are fueled with bots too

He didn't deflect, he added. You're the one deflecting his addition to the conversation by ignoring the content of his post and claiming whataboutism. Instead of contributing to the discussion or even having one at all, you just shut it down entirely by calling it an -ism.

Yup, The_Donald definitely needs to rethink their support for this. Maybe ask them WWHRCD? What I think is interesting is that you can always tell what TPTB want when the media agrees with The Donald. Just so happens to always involve wars. Funny that.

Wy are shocked to the Legion of Retards in intellectual thinking?

As much as I work and as little sleep as I get on a daily basis, I say fuck it. I really don't care anymore. Let them blow each other up. If I die than I'll get some sleep and won't have to buy groceries at the miserable Walmart. I hope Un blows up a bunch of shit and we blow up a bunch of shit. Humans suck ass. Just watch world star videos.

Maybe he's had the talk from the deep state types, which goes something like this. The US has had a war economy for much of the past 60 years, so don't start changing that or your will go the way JFK did.

It's kind of like fanatical evangelical Christians. It's like a drug to them. Lot of people getting high on feeling like they are "on the winning team". It's a dangerous sort of mob mentality.

Rather than the good sort of mob mentality

I didn't say anything about it being good or bad. I said "dangerous". Pretty much all mob mentalities are potentially dangerous. My intent wasn't to single out any one group.

I think it's how you worded it. Misunderstood it myself but got what you meant...that said, I think that person's comment was a bit facetious.

It's kind of like fanatical evangelical Christians.

Yes we can! Yes we can!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KesB4DGjO8U

It's a dangerous sort of mob mentality.

I agree with you. It's the same thing. Worshiping celebrities or politicians, believing they will be the answer to all your problems. It always leads to disappointment, or outright denial.

I think it's not wise to put your faith completely in someone else. It's better to be more self reliant.

We'll always dream of our supermen/superwoman flying to save us. The closer you look at politics the more you want to believe it could happen. The sleazebag circus in Washington is so toxic and nasty who wouldn't hope for someone to sweep in and displace the lot of them?

It's saber ratteling. N.Korea is a fucked up regime and they are talking about nukeing the U.S. That's very different from unprovoked wars in the middle east and naturaly Trump and America will demonstrate to Kim that if he starts shit he will be the one that ends in a ball of fire. That is actualy healthy, because if Kim gets that fact through his head he would 'bend the knee' and scrap his nuclear missile program. He has become used to years of toothless politicians and become emboldened. The best way to prevent a war is to make Kim understand or at least believe the U.S is now perfectly willing and even eager to hammer him.

This is not a conspiracy. Fuck off with your partisan American politics. Seriously, the rest of the world do not fucking care.

This is not a conspiracy. Fuck off with your partisan American politics. Seriously, the rest of the world do not fucking care.

Show yourself to the door then.

Wait, so what's the correct response to NK? Same shit since the 1990s?

Isn't the definition of insanity trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

Have you been to Korea? Talked to people there? You have a population that wants to embrace the future with a madman to the north who basically funds his country through three activities: opium production, counterfeiting currency and blackmail.

Read old news clips. Same shit every few years. He fires off missiles. We have talks. We give him millions to stop firing missiles. Every. Fucking. Time.

You know what happens when you give the playground bully your lunch money everyday? Is he ever gonna stop?

Trump, love him or hate him, just told Kim Jung Un to go fuck himself. America will not be shipping millions (NK must be so jealous of Iran's billions) ever again.

What is likely going to happen in NK is the UN sanctions will lead to massive starvation this winter.

As always with politics, it's the weakest members of society who suffer the most.

We give him millions to stop firing missiles.

Which is literally cheaper than an hour of military action. Not to mention no one dies.

No missiles are getting out to hit the US or allies, it's a false threat. One of the best defense screens money can buy is set up along the SK boarder. Nothing leaves NK airspace without it being allowed

Clear away all the smoke and mirrors, and this is just a way for US taxpayer dollars to get sent to NK so it can buy military hardware from Chinese and Russian companies.

Once again, the Deep State wins.

Arguably, yeah. Still cheaper than open combat and no-one dies.

We could obliterate NK in a few days without ever putting US boots on the ground.

The only reason I'm not for this is because so many NK people would die.

Kim Jong Un needs to be taken out with a surgical drone strike.

We could obliterate NK in a few days without ever putting US boots on the ground.

Only if you're talking about genocide. We've just spent almost 20 years proving that drone strike and air-based actions aren't capable of maintaining a hold on enemy territory. We also don't have a great track record with land wars in far east asia.

Yes, when the enemy are religious fanatics. NK is entirely run on the fear of having yourself and your entire family sent to a work camp.

IF a war were to ever start you would see NK soldiers surrender wholesale.

Maybe. And if NK's track record holds, that's when they start killing off any family member now willing to put on a uniform and pick up a gun.

Not cheaper in the long run, especially the human toll.

What is happening here is history repeating itself, as it always does.

Look at how Russia used Cuba as a proxy to fuck with the US. That is the exact same thing China is doing with North Korea.

China could end NK in 5 minutes. They won't because at the highest levels of the Chinese government they want to totally destroy the US.

Destroying America's manufacturing base, destroying our steel industry, having massive trade imbalances with massive debt payments, corporate and government espionage, proxy via NK. China is at war with the US but we are too goddamn stupid to realize it.

You use Cuba as an example, but I think it works better for me: by refraining from entering direct combat over Cuba, we might have sidestepped WW3 or complete thermonuclear apocalypse (and yes, there were enough nukes at the time to leave nothing but the roaches). It's a big reason why we should not initiate anything with NK. Likely scenario at that point is China claims a stray rocket hit them and they enter the war in force. Everyone gets fucked.

China would never openly go to war with us. Their covert war is working far, far too well.

The US has basically been bankrupted by China.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GFDEGDQ188S

South Korea suspends THAAD deployment

Not quite. As per the article, 2 of the launchers are already operational, and the project as a whole wasn't scheduled to be finished yet. In this situation "suspended" means "paused", not "cancelled".

You forgot the most important part.

Every year we do nothing, NK continues to advance missile and nuclear technology.

Good point, and making them desperate for $$$ just means they will be more likely to sell their technology to Iran and the like.

Good for them. Maybe a few more countries having nukes will keep the US and Israel in check.

different result?

What different result?

There has been no war, no American casualties related to NK, what exactly is this awful result you speak of?

So you're ok with the way people live in NK?

So you're pretending you give a shit about liberating the North Korean people?

You know what funny to me. When I talk to people who are "into politics" I always try to shift the conversation to Sports. Because most college educated people think Sports are a way the Elite control the dumb, beer guzzling masses.

What they fail to see is the two party system in America is a way for the Elite to control the masses. Literally the same thing- An illusion of choice.

I don't care about Dems vs Republicans, because it's about as important as who will win the next Super Bowl. Wake up.

You were literally applauding Trump's rhetoric two posts ago.

Nice try though.

I was applauding him for not continue the absurd policy of meeting with NK and giving them millions of dollars for empty promises.

Anyway, why do you think McCain and other senior republicans hate Trump? Have you noticed that nearly all dems and republicans hate Trump?

Just to be clear though, if you agree with one thing a person says you agree with them 100%. Is that your viewpoint? All or none?

So you're ok with starting a war on the opposite side of the world that will result in the deaths of Americans?

Because that's what it sounds like.

No, no. It's far, far better to let that nutjob keep perfecting missile and nuke tech that can be sold to the highest bidder while millions of NK people starve to death.

Ahh, so now we trust the media to give us the facts on North Korean missile/nuclear technology.

LMAO.

No, I trust my eyes. Lots of past NK launches have exploded at launch or shortly after. Lately they've been doing pretty well.

And to be perfectly clear- I'm for Kim being taken out with a surgical drone strike. Not at all for a conventional war with NK.

So you havent considered the repercussions of leaving a power vacuum in an unstable nation state and potentially flooding neighboring countries with a massive refugee problem?

If it was as simple as assassination, it wouldve been done by now. You'd realize that if you actually had a solid grasp of global politics.

All the good stuff will be taken back to China and Russia. South Korea and Japan will be on the hook for reunification costs.

You know where I stand. Where do you stand?

You stand on a fantasy of simple solutions for complex problems.

The left is supporting a North Korean dictator who is threatening to nuke us simply because our President is standing up to him.

Let that sink in.

Oh sweet jesus. Visit r/trumpcritisizestrump and have some fun

I do not know of any American person who supports Kim Jong Un, regardless of their political leanings. Some people disagree with Trump's inflated rhetoric threatening DPRK because they think it threatens national security. Other people may want to avoid war because of the tremendous losses of life it would entail, and are therefore wanting tougher economic sanctions and more diplomacy. But I have heard not one news article, editorial, etc. actually supporting KJU.

The left does. N Korea thretened to nuke America. President Trump retaliated. The left are attacking it's own President instead of the dictator of N Korea. The only way to truly make America safe is to destroy the left.

Completely logical response. To make our country safe, we should eliminate the half of the population that has political views that differ from yours.

No where near half honey. And I never said eliminate all leftists. I said eliminate the left.

The left isn't supporting North Korea. Just because they disagree with Trump implying that we will attack North Korea does NOT mean that they want complete inaction, or want NK to attack us instead. How can you not see that?

The left most assuredly is supporting N Korea. N Korea threatens to nuke America. President Trump retaliates. The left attacks President Trump's words instead of N Korea. How can you not see that?

NK will never nuke the US. The leadership knows that's a death wish. They are trying to use it as a bargaining chip like all the threats before. I'd fully support Trump using sanctions and other means to discourage this, but I would not support him attacking NK first. Being critical of Trump does not equal being supportable of NK.

Lol OP

Apparently being a strong leader means Trump wants war. This sub has gone so far down the shitter. That post about Trump's tweets about transgenders being banned from military service being a distraction for the Manafort FBI raid is borderline retarded. So Trump tweeted a few weeks ago to distract from a story that came out yesterday? I call B.S. That makes zero sense.

I don't get it. What "nuclear war"?

NK would be gone in seconds. War over.

You guys don't make any sense. Acting like it's the same as going to war with Russia. It's not... at all!

so nuking NORK is ok then?

Yes. Why wouldn't it be? What else is anyone gonna do with them?

It's NEVER ok to casually murder million of people. NEVER.

If there's Satan, he loves you.

Ya, "casually"

Why wouldn't it be is pretty casual.

They've proven pretty easy to deal with diplomatically in the past. IIRC the standard protocol was they'd saber rattle, we'd give them some rice, they'd shut up for a while, and the cycle would repeat. IMO that beats nuclear war.

ah yeah might as well just murder them all. cause fuck human rights and all.

First, Missles go into the air and take quite some time to go down. Second, every nuclear nation has contingencies to fire is struck so you have to destroy every site with perfection. Third, I bet China will at least put out a strongly worded statement though I suspect a little more than that. In the end, you generally dont shrug off the idea of "ahhh well only San Deigo and Hawaii blew up."

IDK.... I think he was saying the obvious. Look what we did after 5000 died at 9/11. What do you think we will do if 600,000 is killed?

They're all furries over there anyways.

NK starves and tortures their citizens, builds and tests nukes, and has a culture of threatening and hating our country.

And its a problem when our president makes an equal threat...... fuckin snowflakes

He never said fire and fury means nuclear war

"fire and fury the likes of which this world has never seen" means it has to be more destructive than the 2 nukes we dropped already.

He never said so but many are convinced that if we attacked NK would set one off in South Korea. afaik it's why we haven't already preemptively attacked.

any idea how close any of NK's major cities are to the border? Wouldn't dropping a bomb less than 100 miles from your own population be detrimental to yourself? Or do they just not give a fuck?

There's one smallish NK city, Kaesong (pop. near 200k), near the border closest to Seoul but Pyongyang is much further north. I'm not sure how wide-ranging the bomb effects would be or how strong the radiation would effect Kaesong but if the US attacked they'd have a lot more to worry about than radiation in one city, I doubt it'd stay their hand.

what would it mean then? weve already seen nukes on the world stage, what would he mean by "the world has never seen" then?

He obviously just finished watching last week's game of thrones before stating that, and still had dragons on his mind.

fire and fury the likes of which this world has never seen

The world has already seen 2 nuclear blasts, so I wonder what he could be referring to. Something worse than a nuclear bomb?

He was just joking, right?

More of a threat if north korea decides to nuke something

So, if Hillary were elected she wouldn't do anything about North Korea threatening to nuke us?

Seems the least she could do since her husband is the one who armed them.

no - just kill the elite and make our own NWO with E-democracy, A world government, and voting points as currency.

Can you point out any examples?

I just looked on their front page, not really seeing anyone cheering for nuclear war.

What a useless self post. Makes sense because you are probably wengpeng88

It takes like two posts to sway the whole base as long as the posts are botted correctly.

The whole base

T_D is actually a very small portion of the people who voted/support him. They are just very loud.

People like a show of power and to feel like their country is in charge. "Fire and fury" doesn't have to mean nuclear at all. It looks like war was coming no matter who was elected. It seems this was all planned 10 years ago. It is being pushed now by Congress, not Trump. I think a veto-proof sanctions bill that nearly doubles as a declaration of war would be just as veto-proof for Hillary.

Trump is going to look bad if:

1. NK actually lands a nuke on NATO forces

2. Trump nukes NK before they launch an overt attack

3. Trump orders a more surgical strike, and likely sparks all sorts of power-plays.

If scenario 1 happens, then 2 or 3 happen too. If scenario 2 or 3 happens, he likely sparks an even greater refugee crisis.

I think the fair thing to do, is divorce yourself from your knowledge of Trump as president, and consider the dilemma objectively. What the fuck would you do in his position? As someone entrusted with the lives of his people, I'd probably have nuked NK already.

Nah I voted Trump to make sure all thats left in Washington after 2024 is a smoking crater. And please don't act like Trump is the aggressor here lol, he's just responding to Kim Jung Lunatic the only way he knows how. We've been waiting to invade North Korea ever since we found out what lies beneath. http://nypost.com/2017/07/03/north-korea-is-sitting-on-6-trillion-in-mineral-resources/ US has known about this since the 90's probably and its been public knowledge since 2009-10, South Korea even upped the estimate to north of 10trillion in 2012 iirc

The quote is in response to NK threatening a nuclear strike...it's referring to a counterattack should they start a war.

How hard is that to comprehend?

What would you prefer him to do or say? "Pretty Please Mr. Kim Jong, don't shoot a nuke at us!!!" Perhaps give them more money like Obama did?

There's anti war, then there's just plain stupid.

Trump has time and time again spoken on the dangers of nuclear war. Throughout all his years. No way will he ever launch the nukes. Bomb the living hell outta the eatablishment, that isnt so off the table, and would not have happened had Obama had a tougher stance on NK. I firmly believe a big part of way trump ran was so he could keep the nukes out of the puppeters hands.

Bomb the living hell outta the eatablishment No way will he ever launch the nukes. "They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before."

connect the dots you fucking idiot. Trump has been talking about building our nuclear arsenal since 1999. He has an itchy trigger finger and NK is in his sights.

you clearly have not been paying attention. never in a million fucking years would trump nuke NK where the fuck to you guys pull this shit from. What about China? Russia? Both would be affected by a nuke. Most likely Alaska as well. Not to mention the retaliations.. Are you aware that NK is surrounded by missile defense systems? More spesifically USM THAADs, no way in a million year would a nuke from NK ever hit anything but NK. Its to dumb to even phantom. Get real, you guys are supposed to be investigative.

you speak like Trump has any idea of the ramifications of anything he does.

You speak like you have no clue whatsoever as to what is going on. But please, be my guest, enlighten me?

I think the Syrian missile strike weeded out the ones who don't want war. They left after that event because it was a sign that Trump was just another neocon. So now, you've got the people who just love Trump and are enjoying the show.

Political factionalism

Hillary wanted to go to war with RUSSIA over a pipeline in Syria. Russia was not threatening to nuke the United States. Trump supporters were against an economic war that would cost many their lives to line the pockets of the few.

North Korea is run by an insane dictator who directly threatened the United States. Trump responded to that threat with a warning.

It is lazy and ridiculous to compare two completely different hypothetical wars with two completely different countries and then claim to have proven that Trump supporters are blind idiots/hypocrites.

Fake. Hillary would not have wanted to or gone to war with Russia. You are fake news

Are you delusional? Has your head been stuck in a hole for the last 1.5 years? Hillary was trying and continues to try to start shit with Russia.

Fake news, you just read alt right republican propaganda. Proud of you for being "woke" though.

At least you admit to being delusional.

You have to remember these are the same people that, during the Iraq war, kept saying "we should just Nuke the entire middle east and be done with them".

T_D is likely positive reinforcement for Trump more so than an actual site.

Meme warfare experts control T_D, and often these guys work for the military/government. Lots of useful idiots participated in their "experiment".

Trumpsters have a hard time concentrating. Maybe we should send them to some sort of camp?

And Reddit Voting is legit right?

Shills fucking suck.Including the ones who are acting like they are pro-Donald(who is just another slave to the broken system just like Hillary so fuck them both)who post comments that are supportive of the president's crazier,more extreme comments/decisions.

May you all get cancer.

That was a Democrat talking point. Trump voters never gave a shit about war. Democrats were opposed to war and said voting for Trump would cause a war, Trump voters have been in favour of war the whole time....

as if we were to expect his supporters would hold him accountable for anything he was supposed to do or say.

Is Trump supposed to coward to an insane dictator?

DIVIDE AND CONQUER

I don't know about you, but that speech was the most entertaining thing of the year, and the faces of those in the room were priceless. The guy talks like a 13 year old.

It also shows you that when Obama said "We could destroy you" to North Korea, people jump and shouted with joy that the US president was showing some balls for once

That you think Trump is in the wrong for responding WITH WORDS to North Korea speaks volumes about you. Did you suddenly forget that North Korea threatened to attack the United States because of sanctions placed on them by the United Nations, and Trump was responding to that threat?

Trump was just supposed to sit back and let a little midget dictator threaten us, though. And if you truly believe Trump's comment will have any effect on whether NK attacks us or not, you're a moron.

North Korea is not your standard little nation. It's not a matter of if they attack, but when.

I wonder how op went from super trump suppirter to anti trump so fast?

"We could destroy you" -Obama

Or....everyone knew that Obama wouldnt resort to a nuclear war.

No one has any idea what Trump will do because he is just a erratic as Kim Jong Un.

OP has a 1 month old account Hmmmmm....

Did you get .07 cents for this post?

As if we're even on the brink of nuclear war. If NK were to launch a nuke actually targeting someone there country would cease to exist with the hour. KJU knows this, which is why they've always been about threats, not action.

They were worried Hilary would start a war with Russia. They don't give a fuck about NK.

how is this a conspiracy?

it's pretty much par for the course that a politician's most avid supporters simply support the person, not the policies.

this is true of every avid supporter of every politician. sanders supporters are just as cognitively dissonant.

the enemy of a democracy isn't a dictator, but a credulous, adoring public.

your tit for tatti g gossipy bullshit only feeds into that, so the second enemy of a democracy are those who feed the us vs them aspect, that only strengthens fanaticism. way to go! you must be very proud of yourself. you're the voter equivalent of a tattle tale.

This doesn't belong in this sub.

I think they are advocating for a firm stance against NK -- rather than for nuclear war. A firms stance in the right circumstances can be a deterrent.

If North Korea attacks Guam with a Nuclear Warhead would you not want us to respond. I consider myself a liberal and I did not vote for Trump, but also recognize thsa he rest of the world doesn’t play by our idealistic rules and maybe you need to step outside of your bubble. Sometimes you have to just swing and ask if your me wrong well at least you’re still alive. Keep in mind that N Korea has been threatening to attack us and here leader is literally insane and forces everyone to treat him like a god. if they aren’t willing to overthrow their own psycho leader they must not have too much of an issue. They are a problem, and you can’t just ignore the situation.

As long as we are here bickering amongst ourselves, we won't look at the reality of the thing. Politics plays the population. The more divided we feel - the more unified the federal government agenda is. You don't think it's a coincidence t_d suddenly had bots that hrm...mysteriously behave in the same manner that ctr/shareblue does? All the /r/conspiracy drama is predicated on the fact that even the mods are chomping down on right/left bias - hook, line, and sinker. This whole site has been subverted.

The reality is DC wants an oligarchy or ...wants to continue this in any means possible. The fox is in the hen house, boys.

Remember when Hilary was the war hawk who wanted WW3?

Why don't you ask Trump supporters this in AskaTrumpsupporter sub?

Are you surprised that a group dedicated to being rally for their president is still going strong.

Go find the people who started to become wary of Trump when he bombed Syria, those people actually exist and have a negative opinion of his foreign actions so far.

Yeah, I was following it very closely as news was developing live . There's no other way to misinterpret the timeline unless someone gave you wrong information,

You didn't even need to follow it closely. It was plastered everywhere.

Knowing that one of the most active mods here doesn't even follow the most important current events that are easily verifiable is really disturbing.

Like, there's literally a video of Trump saying it before there was any mention from NK preparing to attack Guam.

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Christian Just War theory. It is embedded in our culture and very dna, that's why even republicans turned on Bush, they will fight when it is right, and will not when it is wrong.

They don't like it when you remind them that Trump threatened war with NK after

NK threatened war with the USA.

he bombed Syria

"Among the successes of the current policy, he said, are the near-cessation of civilian displacements inside Syria and Iraq, and the return of hundreds of thousands of displaced civilians to their homes in places previously occupied by the Islamic State." http://archive.is/xXIZ3

and made a 110 billion dollar weapons deal with Saudi Arabia.

Sep 7, 2016 - WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama's administration has offered Saudi Arabia more than $115 billion in weapons, other military equipment and training, the most of any U.S. administration in the 71-year U.S.-Saudi alliance, http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-security-idUSKCN11D2JQ

He bombed Syria

You're either ignorant of the situation or are purposefully misrepresenting what happened.

Trump was pressured to act because of "alleged" Darin gas attacks in the Ghouta of Damascus Syria (The exact same situation happening just 3 years earlier.... both times happening when the FSA was gaining ground on SDF and ISIS. Suspicious, no?)

SO Trump drops those famous MOABs on northern Syria as a warning to Assad. Great. But do you know what he struck?

An empty fucking airbase.

And not even the airbase, he struck the runway.

Concerning North Korea, I sincerely hope he limits military action to a preventive strategy. But judging on past presidential reelection war efforts, I hope he's not saving this one in his back pocket for 2020.

ELI5???

Should I have made a scarlet letter analogy instead?

Don't forget 38 billion defense deal w Israel and they have to spend it on US MIC companies

Completely logical response. To make our country safe, we should eliminate the half of the population that has political views that differ from yours.

That's absolutely not true

You know what funny to me. When I talk to people who are "into politics" I always try to shift the conversation to Sports. Because most college educated people think Sports are a way the Elite control the dumb, beer guzzling masses.

What they fail to see is the two party system in America is a way for the Elite to control the masses. Literally the same thing- An illusion of choice.

I don't care about Dems vs Republicans, because it's about as important as who will win the next Super Bowl. Wake up.

You were literally applauding Trump's rhetoric two posts ago.

Nice try though.

Rekt

Being the lesser of two evils doesn't make you a good choice - you're correct, it made him the BETTER choice.

ah man Trumps doing such a horrible job with record breaking stock market, record low unemployment, absolutely shattering peoples expectations of job growth and GDP @ nearly 5% since he took office. Sooo twisted, what a bummer.

You replied to my comment?

There are currently investigations and subpoenas

At least you admit to being delusional.

Well, does there need to be a mention when the facts are looking you in the face? I'm just deducing and probably wrong... I can't repeat how little stock I put into these theories since they're just theories. I have a feeling that'll change soon though.

Yes please explain how an arms deal with Israel that was passed under Obama has anything to do with Trump pushing war with North Korea

Except it is, for the most part, settled science and anyone who makes the "well [climate] is historically documented as cyclical" argument to hand wave away anthropogenic climate change is immediately outing themselves as being utterly unfamiliar with the science.

No. It isn't if it was it wouldn't be "for the most part". By your own admission climate change is a belief. For it to be fact it would have to be "for the whole part".

Liberalism is a marxist cult of belief, and climate change is a play for control of industry just like Karl Marx wrote in his manifesto. Period.