A post lauding George W. Bush is the top of the front page right now with 18,100 upvotes, but locked at 125 comments so nobody will talk about his war crimes.
There are quite a few questionable Peace prizes being awarded (Especially under Thorbjørn Jagland) but Kissinger's prize was, at the time, in line with the criteria listed in Alfred Nobel's testament. It is not a vetting of a person as a good and decent human being or a suggestion that everything they do is good but a recognition of participation in (at least) one of three activities:
The reduction of standing armies
The organizing of peace conferences
Significant contribution to the brotherhood of nations
NPR did a lighthearted comedy segment about GWHB couching their language with such apologetic excuses for him saying a bunch of old men were products of their time, grandfatherly "former President and war hero", and putting the emphasis on a corny joke he supposedly uses when grabbing asses. Incidentally, they also referred to Trump as an "equal opportunity bad man" for not liking Comey and normalized the idea of giving up your expectation for privacy at home by allowing Amazon delivery men to place packages indoors.
It's always so fascinating to note when old public figures are paraded back into the limelight to defend against or distract from a story or promote an agenda.
We’ve already given up our privacy at home. If you own a smartphone and use Facebook (other social media as well but idk which do this) then you’re under audio surveillance wherever you might be.
Gdub stepped on the baseline walking out to the mound.
I can see Trump stepping on the line... but bush is a self professed baseball nut. I don't count on gdub to know much of anything, but he should know not to walk on the line.
Yeah, what a fucking crock of shit. He tortured people and destroyed Iraq. Wtf is wrong with people. It seems all you have to do to redeem the worst fucking things is read a speech that is anti trump. Holy fuck
So you took your life an hour ago or what? We are all on this plaent together. Canadiens, Americans, Germans, Japanese, South Africans, the pope, putin, the dude on omegle. There is no checked out.
Not at all. Vietnam is a terrible stain on his record, despite his work towards civil rights. Sources close to him say that he was burdened by it until the day he died.
George W. Bush, on the other hand, paints his doggies and toes in the bath tub.
It really is depressing. I hoped with Obama leaving office the anti-war left would pop up and scream for Trump to get us out of these wars that Bush got us into, just totally ignore Obama. I don't care if they're hypocritical as long as people aren't dying over this nonsense anymore. Of course the only thing the media praises Trump for is throwing bombs at deserts and because Obama just continued Bush's foreign policy it's officially approved, Bush wasn't wrong, we were. Makes me so sad, getting out of these wars was my only hope from Trump winning.
Am I allowed to post a nice quote of Hitler's with the expectation that anyone who says anything mean or negative will have their comments deleted? And the thread would be locked?
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Anyone that lauds GWB is a dipshit. He delivered some of the worst years our country has ever seen. I seriously hope to god that I never have to live through worse. His tenure as President was a total shit-show: terrorist attack that in all likelihood could have been prevented if his cabinet listened to the CIA and an oil price spike a fucked up housing market culminating in the worst market crash since WWII and a shitty and unnecessary war that has hamstrung the economic opportunity for the current generation. He was so bad and his tenure was so crappy that the country elected Obama.
Yeah that's all valid and stuff, but think of it this way: while he may have instituted an illegal surveillance state and started a war of aggression that killed (at a minimum) hundreds of thousands of innocent people, I just know in my heart of hearts that he's a good person!
You have to separate GWB the president from GWB the man. Or something.
Friendly reminder that "Fair Game" is on Amazon Prime. If any of you aren't mad at the Bush administration, watch that entirely true story about the Valerie Plame scandal.
I don't know. Has been a few of these GWB posts around lately and the comments are mostly positive. Seems like a bit of a divide in opinion where US folks are positive and rest are negative.
Basically anyone is a saint compared to Trump to these people. It's like they don't understand that it's not a competition on who's worst.
I've seen an explosion of pro-Bush posts in the last month all heavily upvoted all with similar comments in the threads about how he 'had a good heart' and 'was misled by his advisors' some even seem to have the same links to chat shows he was on where he 'showed he was a nice guy outside of politics'. The worst was one where he was being praised for his reaction to Katrina.
I'll look into the accounts tomorrow, should be obvious if they're from a PR company. It could just be young people romanticising past presidents becuase of Trump, but if I was Bush I'd pick this fantastic opportunity of an unpopular president to hire a PR company to whitewash my past.
No kidding, I've seen the same. I find it quite bizarre cause Bush was seeing Trump-level hate both during and after his presidency. I suppose the old "distance makes the heart grow fonder" applies but it's insane he's now seen as this cute little harmless painter
More like "an enemy of my enemy is my friend". The MSM's been gaga over W since he made those anti-Trump comments (nationalism bad, globalism good). It's all political theater and Trump's not on the playbill.
Probably a little of A and a little of B. A lot of these morons aren't old enough to remember what it was like when Bush was president, or they were teenagers who didn't care but hated him cause it was trendy. But yes, agreed
That's new? I've usually only seen negative stuff about that hell hole. I disagree with Reddit on most subjects but I thought everyone here could get behind fuck Saudi Arabia for so many reasons.
I feel like it's mostly people who are seeing dubya as a well intentioned person who surrounded himself with a toxic cabinet of advisors. Which is not a crazy opinion on the surface.
Most people haven't read up on his and his family ties to the saudis, or his grandfathers ties to the 3rd Reich, or his think-tank's PNAC, or the weird rumors surrounding his involvement in the fraternity "skull and bones."
For most people, it is probably easy to see him as a well intentioned man who surrounded himself with bad advisors if you don't know about his upbringing and family history.
And to play devils advocate, he actually could be a good, well intentioned man who surrounded himself with bad advisors at the direction/advice of his presidential father, or The influences of his grandfather and friends, maybe he actually wanted to be the change he wanted to see in the world.
I mean, I don't think that is the case, but it's possible. And I think that's where the sudden positive view of him on Reddit is coming from.
The Bush Family were master criminals, the real thing, but now they're shopping old Dubya out there as a kindly grandfather who might be fun to have a beer with. Man, people have short memories. It's like everyone is drinking kool aid that makes them forget the past.
it’s politically manipulated now. the hillary campaign announced to the public they were funding contractors for their “correct the record” campaign on social sites. reddit was specifically named
reddit is tainted by shills who get paid to post propaganda and push the DNC narrative. right now RINOs like mccain and bush are extremely useful because the establishment can claim “republicans” are against trump
I think the consensus is still that he was a shit president, but just like Carter and other shit presidents, as the years go on you start to look at them as people who cared and still care about the country and did what they believed was right, even if they were flat out wrong.
But raw propaganda works wonders -- don't you know?!
"See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." -- US President George Bush, talking at the Athena Performing Arts Center at Greece Athena Middle and High School on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 in Rochester, NY.
Because people weren't upvoting the picture, they were upvoting the words in the picture. Wholesomememes is a place for wholesome discussion and shared things, not a place to bicker and bitch. The quote in the picture fits perfectly with the sub, but the bitching and whining does not. I support them locking the thread because it's not a place to discuss politics.
Why not crosspost it here so you can freely discuss how shitty his presidency was and all of his crimes?
How stupid do people have to be to realise it's not a political discussion sub, it's an excellent quote from one of the most influential people of our time and you guys are calling it a conspiracy. It doesn't matter what you think of him that's not what the fucking post is about.
Yes, the source matters. They're making it political by choosing to feature and defend horrible leaders. Of the millions of wholesome quotes to choose from, you pick one from Bush? You can't separate the individual from the crime. There is no way to rehabilitate any Bush, so knock it off.
As I already mentioned down further:
These Redditos I'm referring to are products of a university system that is heavily infested with Marxist sympathizing - or outright Marxist- Professors and educators.
The fact they are supporting Bush AND Obama with equal vigor should tell you something. This isn't a Dem vs R conflict.
These Redditos I'm referring to are products of a university system that is heavily infested with Marxist sympathizing - or outright Marxist- Professors and educators.
🙄 So you know that the vast majority of people on Reddit are young and marxists because.....?
The fact they are supporting Bush AND Obama with equal vigor should tell you something. This isn't a Dem vs R conflict.
I'm a socialist. I visit socialist, anarchist, communist and marxist subreddits daily and no one has any love for George W. Bush and very few have any love for Obama.
You don't know what you're talking about and your preconceptions about who are marxists and what that entails is laughable.
It's not that difficult if they just were to pick up a book and read or browse /r/socialism and /r/socialism101 and educate themselves but they can't even do that.
Get a grip. These Redditos I'm referring to are products of a university system that is heavily infested with Marxist sympathizing - or outright Marxist- Professors and educators.
The fact they are supporting Bush AND Obama with equal vigor should tell you something. This isn't a Dem vs R conflict.
Yeah. Gullible social justice warriors that think socialism is a neat idea. These people also have short memory spans because they think GDubs is cute now.
I agree. While Trump's administration hasn't been as harmful (yet), I think his election and presidency have pushed this country's attitudes toward free press, and political service in a dangerous direction.
The Iraq War, Afghan War (still), the Patriot act, wall street bailouts, Dick Cheney and all the neoconservatives that surrounded his presidency. The effects of the Bush administration are still being felt today and will take a long time to recover from, if ever. Trump is terrible but he doesn't even come close to the damage Bush did.
I think it makes sense. A lot of people using Reddit were kids while Bush jr was president. People often think of their childhoods as a simpler time. So, emotionally, these people may be more inclined to view him positively. Regardless of the facts of his presidency.
No, Trump's actually very likable. His charisma was a huge part of how he got into the presidency. If you want to find the most unlikable men on the planet, turn your attention to Ted Cruz (so unlikable even his republican coworkers can't stand him), or Martin Skreli (who they had trouble finding a jury for in his recent white collar crime trial because even jurors who had no idea who he was took one look at him and said things like "that's a snake").
You can argue that Trump is a liar, that he's unprepared for his role, that he's a narcissist, that he's easily manipulated by those around him, but you can't honestly argue that he's unlikable. People who spend time with him state that he's actually fun to be around, and his voters loved him during his rallies.
It's perfectly possible to argue Trump is unlikable, using data. Here is a Pew Global study demonstrating how unpopular he is in the global community. Here's a Gallup poll showing how unpopular he is in America.
Sure, he’s unpopular as a politician, but in order to win the presidency you have to have some air of likability. Candidates who lack this, like Ted Cruz and Hillary Clinton, don’t win the country’s biggest popularity contest. And yea, Clinton won her primary but that was through media influence and dirty procedural tricks, not because people liked her.
I have to agree with this. I'm far from a Trump supporter but the guy is likable. I watched about 20 minutes of the Republican debates and the guy was by far the most likable guy on the stage, and the only one saying anything that sounded even remotely authentic.
I have to admit it was rather fun watching him humiliate Jeb Bush.
Seriously - the reason Trump is in office is because the rest of the Republican candidates were utterly without charisma. I remember thinking "how the fuck did these guys become leaders?"
Yeah, actually. Trump’s election represents the absolute rejection of the political status quo by the American voters. Whether or not he’s what we wanted is secondary to the fact that he’s a walking middle finger.
For those who don't feel like following the rabbit hole for ten minutes: The source is self-reported from Social Media, by people who have been hit by these strikes, and by non-profits (while a list of the NGO's is available, their sources/reports are not), and from "Martyr Facebook Pages."
The language this page uses makes me feel like they might have a bias, but I'm not sure.
Their page links to a source on The Daily Beast, which links back to Airwars, which links to a source page that says their kill counts come from social media posts by those affected, Martyr Facebook Pages, and NGO's operating in the area. They didn't actually list the militaries of either the Coalition or Russians as a source - could just be an inconsistency.
Part of our data is drawn from the US, allied and Russian militaries, which is then cross-referenced against claims by local monitoring groups, media and social media of civilians reported killed.
They use dat from both militaries and first hand accounts
Airwars draws on a wide range of sources. These can include international and local news agencies and NGOs; and more fragmentary social media sites including local residents’ groups, Facebook pages (for examples martyrs’ pages), YouTube footage of incidents, and tweets relating to specific events. On occasion we also include links to militant and terrorist propaganda sources which are directly pertinent to an event. These are always clearly marked as such.
We also collate reports from regionally-focused monitoring groups which can include:
Syrian Network for Human Rights
Syrian Observatory for Human Rights
Syria Violations Documentation Center
Raqqa is Being Slaughtered Silently
Iraq Body Count
UN Assistance Mission in Iraq (UNAMI)
Bellingcat (geolocation of strikes)
They don't say anything about Coalition military or Russians; the closest I see is "militant and terrorist propaganda."
Nope, not yet. The rhetoric is alarming though. Standing in the UN and throwing out insults like 'Rocket Man' or blathering on about 'fire and fury' is not a good sign though.
Let's hope that things don't get bad enough domestically that the only option they see is a foreign war to help galvanise support.
Fuck yes he is, he obliterated LIbya because Gaddaffi wouldn't accept USA fiat cash, he wanted to trade his oil for something of value, like gold. So for sure he was a war criminal, just an eloquent liar is all.
Obama was certainly a war monger: Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria. Bombed more countries than Bush. Trump hasn't ended any of these operations.
I think that kind of narrative plays right in to the kind of thinking this subreddit generally tries to avoid. Red vs. Blue. Black and white. What if I support strong property laws, but also some gun control, and also gay marriage, but not all the multi-gender stuff? There's no room for me in the conversation, because both sides often reject me.
I think you hit it on the head. I was 6 on 9/11. Sure, I remember that, but I don't remember much of what life was actually like with GW as president. I didn't care about politics at all until like 2 years after he left office.
It's much harder to realize what he did unless you lived through it at the time. Reading back on it just doesn't do it justice.
So today, when he makes a criticism I agree with, none of his past life comes to my mind because I didn't really live through it and it's just distant history in my mind, which isn't right, but just how my brain processes it.
I remember talking to a military recruiter trying to get him to fuck off. "How many soldiers died in Iraq?" "Couple thousand." "How many civilians?" "Bout a million."
Bush didn't kill a million people. Also, the majority of civilian causalities in the Iraq war are a direct result of the civil war. Are you claiming that the US provided material support to death squads in Iraq? That'd be real news.
Beyond that, the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse resulted in actual convictions, and likely wasn't at request of the president.
It's ok though. I don't mind that you're misrepresenting the situation, I'm just shocked at the lack of thought regarding the situation.
I was thinking CIA black sites, but yea. I think it's probably true.
Rumsfield, I think, is probably a war criminal for Abu Ghraib. That's the difference.
The fact that a million civilians died in a war isn't the same thing as a war crime. There's a shit ton of Iraqi politicians that probably committed crimes against humanity. You're not going to see prosecution for obvious reasons. It was a dirty war and everyone knows that, but it wasn't a war of aggression.
I feel exactly the same way! I was 9, so I was definitely aware enough to realize my country had been attacked, and I was old enough for that to scare me. My perception of GWB was just a kind, goofy father figure, taking us to war against the bad men.
They were looking for any way to get Saddam H and they used the 9/11 attacks as that means. Bush was just as bad as the others. There was even an interesting video posted of Bush Jr's speeches as a politician prior to taking office compared to those once he became President. It was kind of a stark contrast and seems if he was drugged up or the puppeteer rope was tightened up considerably.
Glad I was old enough to start forming actual opinions during HW's time. I watched his "crusade against terror" speech live in my undergraduate college's theater. The term "crusade" was deliberately chosen at the time, despite them trying to walk it back the next day. They wanted to inflame tensions. The whole lot are a bunch of warmongering dipshits who don't care how many innocents die in their lust for power. And I include all the presidents since nixon in that warmongering dipshits quote.
Escalated the cold war after the soviets invaded Afghanistan. He was better than the others, granted, but he still enabled our steady march to endless war.
When will they see that all these presidents are scrubs, including Trump? Why keep having the same families rule the US? The Bushes, the Clintons, etc. I bet more Clintons and Bushes run down the line and probably the Obama chicks. Seems like the only reason people keep supporting them is because they blindly follow rep or dem.
It is definitely this. I grew up as Bush jr being the first president I remember. I didn't follow his presidency and I always considered him an alright president until I started reading about his presidency
How isn't a former POW who was held under horrific conditions including being deprived of medical treatment, food and water, placed on solitary, and tortured relentlessly without giving out any intel for almost 6 years, and refusing being released unless his fellow americans in the camp were released as well, a hero? Because he doesn't like Trump? You people are pathetic and an insult to the country you swear you are defending.
There's plenty in his background and track record as a politician that detracts from the idea that he has all of our best interests in mind. There's also the highly questionable reasoning for the US invading Vietnam, making "what he fought for" less noble than, say, a WWII Pearl Harbor survivor. He deserves respect and admiration for his actions and sacrifices. But "hero" isn't a word an Iraqi orphan would use.
I don't agree with the reasoning behind the Vietnam war either and I'm not his biggest fan when it comes to politics, but that doesn't mean he isn't a war hero for us or makes his actions any less noble. What he did there goes way beyond whatever the thought process the government went through to justify that war imo. A iraqi orphan wouldn't consider Charles de Gaulle a hero either, but he really is war a hero for the french, regardless of whether or not they agree with his politics.
Copy of my post from elsewhere about discussion I had with a mod about censoring comments
I'm now banned, the reason they cited was me making this comment
Funny I sent this to the mods after seeing they deleted any negative comments about bush
So you've deleted negative comments about bush because it's a wholesome community, using that logic a post about something nice hitler said would have any comments that criticise hitler deleted because they're negative?
They muted me for 72 hours, which is fucking hilarious considering the mod comment in that thread says
If you have any questions about this, or want to discuss further, please shoot us a PM. We are happy to talk.
By happy to talk they obviously mean agree with them.
Personally, I thought they'd ban me for saying Nazi's weren't all bad because they dressed nice, Henry kissenger had a good heart, or Ted Bundy wasn't all bad because he had nice hair. Maybe they're considered wholesome?
edit - lmao just got this PM from a mod
Listen, as you're one of the very people from r/all I was referring to, I truly hope that whatever it is in your life that makes you feel as if it's appropriate to post things like "nazis had great fashion sense, they weren't all bad" gets resolved that that one day you can rejoin our lovely community as a wholesome member. In the meantime you should really maybe take some time off to reflect on your actions and the person you're being.
How is it even possible to not understand that that comment is a direct mocking of the comments they allowed in the Bush thread..
edit 2 - mod followed up telling me 'most of the comments deleted were trolling or provoking arguments', I said 'so not all then? and asked for a screenshot of the deleted comment logs and I'd apologise if I was wrong, mod said I was 'clearly not here for a discussion of the situation'
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They did the same thing with their Obama post. No mention of funding terrorists or destroying Libya allowed. Especially not funding Nazis, I don't think you can bring that up anywhere or you somehow become a Nazi.
Wait I agree with funding terrorists and destroying Libya (could also add ramping up drone strikes, prosecuting more whistleblowers than ever, and sending more troops to Iraq & Afghanistan) but I'm not sure about the funding Nazis bit
Congress agreed unanimously to prevent aid from going to Nazis and other extremists, of course. Voting against would have been political suicide. BUT! The amendment's sponsors withdrew it after getting pressure or incentives, possibly both. This is 100% on Obama. If he wanted the amendment to pass, a single mention to the press would have guaranteed passage. The problem was he was helping Nazis AND sunni extremists, being the neocon FP lackey that he was.
If you want proof of the fact that the MSM is nearly completely bought, notice their almost unanimous cooperation with the administration in keeping this entire affair silent. This should have been bigger than Watergate, and it all happened right in public view.
Anyway, they later worked out a deal with Ukraine. The neo Nazi Azov battalion was given regular army status, and congress passed another amendment banning aid specifically to the Azov battalion, instead of neonazis and extremists in general. No problem because, officially, there is no more azov battalion. I have been called a Nazi nearly every time I bring this up on reddit, and downvoted to oblivion every time.
I wasn't there to see any of it, but I am sure he didn't write half the shit he put his name to. He is still probably guilty of treason. I can't see any way he isn't. I guess I'll hear him out if he doesn't run.
I was banned from there for criticizing a pic of Obama as wholesome. It was a pic of he and Michelle at their wedding with no text, implying that they are wholesome. I didn't agree that someone who funds terrorists and starts unnecessary wars is wholesome.
I think the sub is just being used to rehab the image of certain scumbags.
Bush, Funneling that hurricane relief money his charity skimmed from Texas into the propaganda front on social media. Reddit, thirsty for more tricks this Halloween, greedily accepts the shekels in yet another deal with the devil.
There was a post just a few weeks ago that hit /r/all praising him for meeting hurricane katrina victims. That's way worse than this one imo, but combined that makes me suspicious.
There was a poll that just came out from The Economist. Where %51 of Democrats had a favorable view of George W. Bush. This both pisses me off and scares the shit out of me that so many people like this guy.
Alright, and nationwide? In one county? What age group? How many were polled? And what was exactly asked? "How do you feel about George W. Bush as a private citizen?" Or "How do you feel about George W. Bush's presidency today?" Those two questions fulfill his "approval", but ask two completely different things.
You see what I'm saying? I'm not trying to attack you.
I hate these kind of posts that mention something on the "front page", but cant link to them? The front page changes. Provide a link so others can see it.
And people say that Shareblue don't exist. People in this sub even boldly state CTR doesn't exist despite the massive evidence and political climate shifts overnight. I mean come on, the liberal media treated Bush like they did Trump. Not as bad, but still constant bashing and hit pieces etc. Now they want everyone to love him when he spoke out against Trump?
How can anyone on this site seriously think that MSM isn't literally propaganda? Especially after what wikileaks proved.
Exist in the fact that there's 24/7 roaming groups of down voters/forum sliders attempting to high jack not only conversation, but entire subs through established mod removal. There are absolutely people claiming that Shareblue doesn't do this, and that CTR didn't either.
Any republican who says something negative about Trump is immediately embraced and cheered by the /r/politics crowd who appraently have forgotten about the 100,000 or so dead Iraqis from the sanctions and Shock and Awe.
The would literally cheer for Stalin if he were alive and criticizing the Prez.
People don't have a context in this scenario. Both Bush's are beloved in Texas. Heck, they named an airport for Bush. The Houston Astros are in the World Series, why not celebrate with 2 local heroes? To me it makes perfect sense. W has thrown out the first pitch before.
Absolutely insane that this Bush rhetoric is happening right now. Bush and his cabinet commuted war crimes and put us in a forever war. What the fuck is going on? What is this supposed to be distracting us from? What IS this distracting us from?
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If its any condolence, the rest of the world outside of the US still hate him. Don't know why your media is making him out to be some silly innocent bro as of lately. Seems like this weird propaganda is working in the states though, which is weird and uncomfortable.
its not on my front page.. you guys need to unsub from all the shill general subs, or better yet make a new account, then you start with a fresh front page with only the stuff you actively subscribe to.
Why is he the war criminal??? You think he had a choice? It was all put in place before he got there and its the way it will always work. Every president is a war criminal
Honestly who fucking cares? This is a private website where us the user's have no control over anything. This is not new info, we all know this so what's the problem. If "someone" wants to censore stuff then let them. The user's that are upset over the censorship can easily just move on to another website where they can talk about his warcrimes. Now if the whole internet was censoring all conversations about bush so people could not talk about warcrimes then there would be a conspiracy. But that's not happening. So pull up your big boy pants, accept the fact this is a private website that can censor whatever they want and either move on to another website or hang out here and stop being upset and shocked when when conversations on the website are controlled.
Really though what would it matter to bush is people on reddit could openly discuss the warcrimes he is accused of? It would not effect bush in the slightest. So since it would not effect bush at all then why would the post be locked for the purpose of not allowing users to talk about warcrimes?
The worst about this is locking comments so no one can remind people or tell those who were too young at the time what this man really was. I mean, really really, what he was, was a puppet. I have no doubt that Dubya had a terrible childhood, was probably abused in all kinds of twisted satanic rituals, sodomized by his father's friends and what have you, and was basically broken and stitched back together to be the perfect puppet zombie President to hail the new millennium, preside over 9/11 and be the fall guy should anything go wrong. Part of me even feels a little bit bad for him. I mean, look at his parents. I've never seen such clear radiation of evil.
But still, it's sick that the well documented war crimes he committed are being wiped out of collective memory. I mean, at least in the UK Tony Blair is still reviled, no matter how often they try to wheel him back out as though he's some nostalgic symbol of better times - people scream war criminal at him, including members of parliament and the new leader of the party he once led.
I don't understand why people are holding someone with the capacity of a sheltered child accountable for the actions of the real men in power. Jesus, did you ever hear the guy talk? He's barely speaking English sometimes.
So true George Bush should be in prison right now and his father. His father attacks Iraq in the 90s George Bush Jr gets into power makes up a fake story that Sadam has nuclear weapons, starts a war kills thousands hangs Sadam the suprise suprise no nuclear weapons. Then he starts installing fear on the public with "mass terror threats" the news promote the hell out of it. This is all even without bringing the world trade towers into it. Bush is the real terrorist it's sad to say but he has made a lot of the world dislike USA and the uk
Bush was a lame duck president until 9/11 happened. Then that kicked off the war of terror that literally destroyed the middle east. Chuck in some imaginary WMDs and all the torture. Pretty dark time for the west.
That's some pretty good shit your smoking there bud, either that or you don't know the definition of "Lame Duck". Bush was only President for 9 months when 9/11 happened. Lame Duck refers to a President or an elected official that is in the last year of their term usually with the opposing party in control of Congress.
His poll numbers were collapsing? Really? Do you know anything that's correct? First of all poll numbers don't mean shit. You don't take a poll and elect a new President there junior. This ain't a popularity contest, this ain't high school. I'll give you a chance to redeem yourself, please name one speech Bush gave in the first nine months in office that he made a fool of himself and what did he say?
Can I name a speech off the top of my head? No, you are talking about 16 years or ago or so. But his entire time as president was littered with examples of him making a complete fool of himself in speeches.
I can say the same for Obama. Lauded as some eloquent statesman but just a stuttering idiot. If it wasn't on the teleprompter he couldn't spit it out. If you go back and see any off the cuff interview, he stuttered every answer. I guess the fake Harvard education couldn't fix his speech impediment.
Yeah it's weird whenever something bad about someone surfaces on reddit sometimes a post will hit the front page of them "just being a human being" wow no way they breathe our air?! Same thing happened with obama
It's more about preserving the swamp. Personalities aside it's all about the swamp/establishment goes. Once the status quo is changed so will legacies and of course status. They're scared because if it's not their new world order they don't know if they'll fit in.
My grandfather knew george bush senor from WW2 I guess they flew in the same plane i think george was the pilot and my grandfather was a gunner, I remembering him saying that his purple heart was bullshit and that he was a coward not a hero
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How stupid do people have to be to realise it's not a political discussion sub, it's an excellent quote from one of the most influential people of our time and you guys are calling it a conspiracy. It doesn't matter what you think of him that's not what the fucking post is about.
As I already mentioned down further:
These Redditos I'm referring to are products of a university system that is heavily infested with Marxist sympathizing - or outright Marxist- Professors and educators.
The fact they are supporting Bush AND Obama with equal vigor should tell you something. This isn't a Dem vs R conflict.
Yeah, actually. Trump’s election represents the absolute rejection of the political status quo by the American voters. Whether or not he’s what we wanted is secondary to the fact that he’s a walking middle finger.
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1 __G_A_R_D_E_N_E_R__ 2017-10-29
Perception MGMT
1 mattymattC 2017-10-29
What's next Madeline Albright deemed a hero ?
1 CaptainApollyon 2017-10-29
Margaret thatcher being canonized
1 fraac 2017-10-29
Kissinger winning the Nobel Peace Prize.
1 RecoveringGrace 2017-10-29
But he has to share it with Nixon.
1 TheRadChad 2017-10-29
Obama
1 mattymattC 2017-10-29
Too soon dude. Haha. :)
1 TheRadChad 2017-10-29
;)
1 Dr4ko9 2017-10-29
Donald Trump winning the congressional Medal of Honor...for his military service
1 notmadjustnomad 2017-10-29
But, like, DUDE, are you some sort of racist or something??
1 TheRadChad 2017-10-29
You mean homophobic* ;)
And for the record no to both.
1 IanPhlegming 2017-10-29
Hitler's daughter becoming Chancellor or Germany.....oh, wait.
1 Zorsterer 2017-10-29
Oh my god fuck you for this comment. Gold. GOLD
1 IClogToilets 2017-10-29
Wait, the Hitlers are making a comeback?
1 makka-pakka 2017-10-29
They're back! In Pog form!
1 CertainlyNotTheNSA 2017-10-29
There are quite a few questionable Peace prizes being awarded (Especially under Thorbjørn Jagland) but Kissinger's prize was, at the time, in line with the criteria listed in Alfred Nobel's testament. It is not a vetting of a person as a good and decent human being or a suggestion that everything they do is good but a recognition of participation in (at least) one of three activities:
1 notacrackheadofficer 2017-10-29
Somehow dipshit redditors worship the fuck out of Trilateral lackey Carter, even though he followed Kissinger around lapping his ballsack for decades, including now.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1977-1980/china-policy
1 illiterati 2017-10-29
She was a champion of children's rights.
1 mattymattC 2017-10-29
Helping all these kids https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8 See what the afterlife is a all about.
1 biggumsmcdee 2017-10-29
Lol. Bush jr. Being hailed a great president too
1 estranged_in_a_coma 2017-10-29
Saudi Arabia head of human rights
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-29
Albright is Director Emerita of the Center for a New American Security where James Mattis was a Director of the Board.
1 OB1_kenobi 2017-10-29
She's in line right behind Rumsfeld. /s
1 OldDocBenway 2017-10-29
Exactly
1 Brodusgus 2017-10-29
We need more post lauding Bill Clinton I take it
1 kanye5150 2017-10-29
Arg, and they are both throwing the first pitch out at the world series now.. disgusting that people are cheering these criminals.
1 toxic_banana 2017-10-29
Bush and Obama? Fucking faggots
1 B-Clinton-Rapist 2017-10-29
Calm down, they'll ban you for that shit
1 toxic_banana 2017-10-29
For what?
1 B-Clinton-Rapist 2017-10-29
They'll say you're homophobic and ban you for using slurs
1 BigPharmaSucks 2017-10-29
Damn autocorrect. Meant to say fascists.
1 B-Clinton-Rapist 2017-10-29
Thats the kinda thinking that wins wars
1 toxic_banana 2017-10-29
Quit bein a faggot and suck that dick!
https://youtu.be/Fcja4WFFzDw
1 CelineHagbard 2017-10-29
Removed. Rule 1, 4.
1 joelks13 2017-10-29
STFU faggot
1 toxic_banana 2017-10-29
K
1 toxic_banana 2017-10-29
You were right
1 CareForAShine 2017-10-29
Trump too.
1 toxic_banana 2017-10-29
Less so imo
1 JustDoinThings 2017-10-29
Trump hasn't killed a million people yet so I agree.
1 Pigeon_Impossible 2017-10-29
1 CelineHagbard 2017-10-29
Removed. Rule 1. First warning.
1 momosalemur 2017-10-29
Imagine having your entire country and family destroyed by these two and then you see them on a TV screen being applauded as heroes
1 remotehypnotist 2017-10-29
NPR did a lighthearted comedy segment about GWHB couching their language with such apologetic excuses for him saying a bunch of old men were products of their time, grandfatherly "former President and war hero", and putting the emphasis on a corny joke he supposedly uses when grabbing asses. Incidentally, they also referred to Trump as an "equal opportunity bad man" for not liking Comey and normalized the idea of giving up your expectation for privacy at home by allowing Amazon delivery men to place packages indoors.
It's always so fascinating to note when old public figures are paraded back into the limelight to defend against or distract from a story or promote an agenda.
1 barbief 2017-10-29
Sarcasm detected. You have had too much to think, citizen.
1 Eliseo120 2017-10-29
You do realize that was on "wait wait don't tell me" right? It's supposed to be comedic and lighthearted.
1 imicit 2017-10-29
also there should be some forgiveness to a 92+ year old man making a stupid, likely Alzheimer's-based comments compared to a presidential candidate.
1 cocaincookiemonster 2017-10-29
You mean Bill Clinton right?
1 imicit 2017-10-29
oh shit i forgot i was in the second dumbest sub on reddit
1 ruok4a69 2017-10-29
I think you haven’t explored Reddit very thoroughly.
1 Be_the_chief 2017-10-29
What the fuck did I just read, am I drunk?
1 Gioseppi 2017-10-29
We’ve already given up our privacy at home. If you own a smartphone and use Facebook (other social media as well but idk which do this) then you’re under audio surveillance wherever you might be.
1 Kalysta 2017-10-29
And then people go and make it even easier by buying smart TVs and Alexia.
My friend has Alexia, if you say the word "NSA" when it's running, it immediately shuts itself off. Creepy as hell.
1 dangsoggyoatmeal 2017-10-29
Seriously?
1 Kalysta 2017-10-29
Yeah, if you know anyone with one try it. I think i directly asked it if it was reporting us to the NSA when it shut off.
1 BigPharmaSucks 2017-10-29
Most of us don't have to imagine.
1 Gayestjew 2017-10-29
That's what the people who make money off of war count on. If they didn't instigate conflict, there would hardly be any wars.
1 momosalemur 2017-10-29
So we should just put people off going to the army and ta da. No one to fight wars
1 Hagriss 2017-10-29
Ever heard of a draft?
1 momosalemur 2017-10-29
And no one goes congrats
1 aManOfTheNorth 2017-10-29
Blatz! Great idea.
1 ChamberedEcho 2017-10-29
Great deterrent if equally enforced, which it isn't.
1 Ls2323 2017-10-29
It is literally that simple.
1 Engineerthegreat 2017-10-29
While I agree it's not right to call them heroes. Saying they destroyed America is a huge overstatement.
1 ruok4a69 2017-10-29
They’re just a product of society. They’ll stop being that way when we stop allowing it. So far, we (collectively) not only allow it, we encourage it.
1 showmeurboobsplznthx 2017-10-29
Final days in grace
1 GREAT_MaverickNGoose 2017-10-29
Gdub stepped on the baseline walking out to the mound.
I can see Trump stepping on the line... but bush is a self professed baseball nut. I don't count on gdub to know much of anything, but he should know not to walk on the line.
1 idiotwithatheory 2017-10-29
That's true.
Except he probably never coached or played a game in his life.....*(don't know his life history just assuming since he did it)
I guess he only watched. Not stepping on the line......you can't get that from being a fan in the stands or tv viewer
1 NeauxDu 2017-10-29
He was captain of the Yale baseball team...
1 idiotwithatheory 2017-10-29
Wow I didn't know he was captAin of a team. Figured u would know better
1 NeauxDu 2017-10-29
It's not really a hard and fast thing, though. A lot of players don't care. It's mostly the pitchers ime.
1 idiotwithatheory 2017-10-29
I disagree.
From 10 yrs old to today.... I have coached, played and umpired at various levels from rec ball to travel ball to high school and college
At all those levels players enforce it
1 Bone_Thugs_n_Harambe 2017-10-29
He's been sniffing and blurring lines for a long time; walking on them was the next logical step.
1 Quetehfuck 2017-10-29
Yeah, what a fucking crock of shit. He tortured people and destroyed Iraq. Wtf is wrong with people. It seems all you have to do to redeem the worst fucking things is read a speech that is anti trump. Holy fuck
1 alwaysDL 2017-10-29
Him and his PNAC buddies literally murdered thousands of Americans.
1 tito333 2017-10-29
And that's just what they've told us, maybe they've killed more in secret.
1 PassionateSizzle 2017-10-29
What happened?
1 gbc-ocd 2017-10-29
9/11
1 PassionateSizzle 2017-10-29
Lolol oh yeah
1 Smiley_Iris 2017-10-29
It's proof that the world has gone mad. I checked out of the human race awhile ago.
1 cas_999 2017-10-29
Are you posting this comment from the afterlife?
1 MrTacoMan 2017-10-29
No you didn't. What does that even mean? Just giving up is fucking stupid
1 charbo187 2017-10-29
I'm not that guy but I consider myself an outside observer.
and I haven't "given up"
I have completely divorced myself from all your inane bullshit.
and just in case it isn't clear, even if you guys miraculously decide to get your shit together, I still wouldn't like to be included.
1 Evaluationist 2017-10-29
So you took your life an hour ago or what? We are all on this plaent together. Canadiens, Americans, Germans, Japanese, South Africans, the pope, putin, the dude on omegle. There is no checked out.
1 charbo187 2017-10-29
k
1 Evaluationist 2017-10-29
alright
1 Ganjisseur 2017-10-29
And spooning water out of a sinking ship is, valiant?
1 nofilmynofucky 2017-10-29
Don't forget paint a few pictures and take some selfies with your vff Michelle
1 all4gibs 2017-10-29
michael*
1 Iohet 2017-10-29
I mean, LBJ tortured and destroyed Vietnam, but he's held in moderately high regard by most historic rankings. War doesn't mean shit.
1 laxt 2017-10-29
Not at all. Vietnam is a terrible stain on his record, despite his work towards civil rights. Sources close to him say that he was burdened by it until the day he died.
George W. Bush, on the other hand, paints his doggies and toes in the bath tub.
1 Erochimaru 2017-10-29
Maybe that's how nazis see hitler "dude delivered amazing speeches, you should read his book. He must be great!"
Not implying bush is hitler
1 Conquestofbaguettes 2017-10-29
He's good now because Trump is bad!
Trump says real bad things.
GW doesn't say bad things.
GW is better compared to Trump.
GW is good.
This is the logic of the short attention-spanned, dumbed-down American citizen.
1 insanemetal187 2017-10-29
It really is depressing. I hoped with Obama leaving office the anti-war left would pop up and scream for Trump to get us out of these wars that Bush got us into, just totally ignore Obama. I don't care if they're hypocritical as long as people aren't dying over this nonsense anymore. Of course the only thing the media praises Trump for is throwing bombs at deserts and because Obama just continued Bush's foreign policy it's officially approved, Bush wasn't wrong, we were. Makes me so sad, getting out of these wars was my only hope from Trump winning.
1 KeepAustinQueer 2017-10-29
Trump wont get us out of wars because he hates the troops. Didn't you know?
/s
1 contrarianism 2017-10-29
NWO 9/11
1 jdubb198 2017-10-29
Biggest witch hunt ever. Get Trump! Lol
1 TimeTimeTickingAway 2017-10-29
Am I allowed to post a nice quote of Hitler's with the expectation that anyone who says anything mean or negative will have their comments deleted? And the thread would be locked?
1 whenitsTimeyoullknow 2017-10-29
If your post just so happens to hit the front page via wholesomememes, no unwholesome anti-Hitler rhetoric would be allowed as far as I know.
1 Floorspud 2017-10-29
No shit that's their sub rules. This isn't hard to understand.
1 holographictomato 2017-10-29
We're way ahead of you ;)
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1 wholesalewhores 2017-10-29
Fuck that. Reddit openly manipulates votes too, might as well make thier jobs harder.
1 RaceFunkAndBrisco 2017-10-29
37 upvotes man. Only 49,963+. Definitely can only happen naturally...
1 commiefishcrotch 2017-10-29
Pappy aka Poppy is about to start his descent into hell at any moment, so the shrubs are in damage control to keep the rabble in line.
1 joculator 2017-10-29
Anyone that lauds GWB is a dipshit. He delivered some of the worst years our country has ever seen. I seriously hope to god that I never have to live through worse. His tenure as President was a total shit-show: terrorist attack that in all likelihood could have been prevented if his cabinet listened to the CIA and an oil price spike a fucked up housing market culminating in the worst market crash since WWII and a shitty and unnecessary war that has hamstrung the economic opportunity for the current generation. He was so bad and his tenure was so crappy that the country elected Obama.
1 MASTURBATES_YOUR_DAD 2017-10-29
Yeah that's all valid and stuff, but think of it this way: while he may have instituted an illegal surveillance state and started a war of aggression that killed (at a minimum) hundreds of thousands of innocent people, I just know in my heart of hearts that he's a good person!
You have to separate GWB the president from GWB the man. Or something.
1 PreachyVegan 2017-10-29
FTFY: "terrorist attack that in all likelihood could have been prevented if
his cabinet listened to the CIAhe didn't help plan and execute it"1 FinestMilkSteak 2017-10-29
I'm not sure guy was capable of planning and executing anything.
1 PlumRugofDoom 2017-10-29
Dank
1 ComicGamer 2017-10-29
"If he didn't allow the CIA to attack"
1 laxt 2017-10-29
Friendly reminder that "Fair Game" is on Amazon Prime. If any of you aren't mad at the Bush administration, watch that entirely true story about the Valerie Plame scandal.
1 str8uphemi 2017-10-29
This, people forget it got so bad under him the Obama became the best "replacement"
1 kevjay17 2017-10-29
Was just gonna post this. CLEAR vote manipulation. 18k votes and 125 comments? Yah fucking right
1 XXI-X 2017-10-29
I don't know. Has been a few of these GWB posts around lately and the comments are mostly positive. Seems like a bit of a divide in opinion where US folks are positive and rest are negative.
Basically anyone is a saint compared to Trump to these people. It's like they don't understand that it's not a competition on who's worst.
1 kevjay17 2017-10-29
Yah it's not so much that, it's the I don't think I've ever seen a post with so few comments and so many upvotes
1 XXI-X 2017-10-29
You're right. The upvote number is insane.
1 holographictomato 2017-10-29
I've seen an explosion of pro-Bush posts in the last month all heavily upvoted all with similar comments in the threads about how he 'had a good heart' and 'was misled by his advisors' some even seem to have the same links to chat shows he was on where he 'showed he was a nice guy outside of politics'. The worst was one where he was being praised for his reaction to Katrina. I'll look into the accounts tomorrow, should be obvious if they're from a PR company. It could just be young people romanticising past presidents becuase of Trump, but if I was Bush I'd pick this fantastic opportunity of an unpopular president to hire a PR company to whitewash my past.
1 kevjay17 2017-10-29
No kidding, I've seen the same. I find it quite bizarre cause Bush was seeing Trump-level hate both during and after his presidency. I suppose the old "distance makes the heart grow fonder" applies but it's insane he's now seen as this cute little harmless painter
1 ChumleesCumRag 2017-10-29
More like "an enemy of my enemy is my friend". The MSM's been gaga over W since he made those anti-Trump comments (nationalism bad, globalism good). It's all political theater and Trump's not on the playbill.
1 kevjay17 2017-10-29
Probably a little of A and a little of B. A lot of these morons aren't old enough to remember what it was like when Bush was president, or they were teenagers who didn't care but hated him cause it was trendy. But yes, agreed
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-29
I agree with you, just adding some points.
His brother was CO-SIGNER to the PNAC statement of Principals. His father was the head of the CIA and President.
He knew exactly the hell he was doing.
1 BA_lampman 2017-10-29
Remindme! 24 hours
1 nebuchadrezzar 2017-10-29
44,000 now
1 kevjay17 2017-10-29
I thought it was locked? Or can you still upvote the post after that? I've never bothered to look
1 nakatanaka 2017-10-29
yeah you can still upvote
only comments are locked
1 nebuchadrezzar 2017-10-29
I dunno how it works, but it said 44k+ when I checked.
1 beingforthebenefit 2017-10-29
The post is locked. It's not manipulation, it's how this site functions.
1 galaxy_live 2017-10-29
Forgive me for being dense or lazy, but what is the URL to the OP's cited article? TIA.
1 The_Tyrant_King 2017-10-29
So reddit like dubya now? Up until last year, most of this site hated him like the plague.
1 whenitsTimeyoullknow 2017-10-29
I've noticed pro-Dubya going on the past few years. He brings a couple paintings on Jimmy Kimmel's show and suddenly all is forgiven.
1 GREAT_MaverickNGoose 2017-10-29
I blame it on the kiddos. They were too young to remember what a fucking nightmare Gdub was. All they remember is yellow ribbons and flags and shit.
Now they're the largest demo on this site. Fuck gwbush. May he never sleep well again.
1 PocketSquirrel 2017-10-29
You're exactly right. They simply do not remember The Bush Administration.
I've also noticed that you cannot badmouth Saudi Arabia anymore.
1 rennat19 2017-10-29
That's new? I've usually only seen negative stuff about that hell hole. I disagree with Reddit on most subjects but I thought everyone here could get behind fuck Saudi Arabia for so many reasons.
1 billytheskidd 2017-10-29
I feel like it's mostly people who are seeing dubya as a well intentioned person who surrounded himself with a toxic cabinet of advisors. Which is not a crazy opinion on the surface.
Most people haven't read up on his and his family ties to the saudis, or his grandfathers ties to the 3rd Reich, or his think-tank's PNAC, or the weird rumors surrounding his involvement in the fraternity "skull and bones."
For most people, it is probably easy to see him as a well intentioned man who surrounded himself with bad advisors if you don't know about his upbringing and family history.
And to play devils advocate, he actually could be a good, well intentioned man who surrounded himself with bad advisors at the direction/advice of his presidential father, or The influences of his grandfather and friends, maybe he actually wanted to be the change he wanted to see in the world.
I mean, I don't think that is the case, but it's possible. And I think that's where the sudden positive view of him on Reddit is coming from.
1 axeheadroad 2017-10-29
I agree about bush but I can recall seeing anything positive said about Saudi Arabia.
1 FinestMilkSteak 2017-10-29
Fucking millennials strike again
1 Putnum 2017-10-29
Remember another dictator that did paintings but didn't get accepted into art school? We've learnt our lesson. Art is subjective. Be nice to people.
1 Simplicity3245 2017-10-29
That was before the massive neoliberal increase.
1 ConcernedCanook 2017-10-29
Because he bashes Trump and 99% of reddit are mindless sheep who equate hating Trump with being an infaliable human being.
1 Pyronic_Chaos 2017-10-29
Or maybe you're the mindless one that thinks one positive comment about someone/thing implies the belief of someone/thing being infallible.
1 PreachyVegan 2017-10-29
The Bush Family were master criminals, the real thing, but now they're shopping old Dubya out there as a kindly grandfather who might be fun to have a beer with. Man, people have short memories. It's like everyone is drinking kool aid that makes them forget the past.
1 all4gibs 2017-10-29
it’s politically manipulated now. the hillary campaign announced to the public they were funding contractors for their “correct the record” campaign on social sites. reddit was specifically named
reddit is tainted by shills who get paid to post propaganda and push the DNC narrative. right now RINOs like mccain and bush are extremely useful because the establishment can claim “republicans” are against trump
1 Yellowgenie 2017-10-29
I think the consensus is still that he was a shit president, but just like Carter and other shit presidents, as the years go on you start to look at them as people who cared and still care about the country and did what they believed was right, even if they were flat out wrong.
1 Rightfull9 2017-10-29
It's astroturf
1 galaxy_live 2017-10-29
But raw propaganda works wonders -- don't you know?!
1 rockytimber 2017-10-29
The brigades are out in force for Halloween week
1 mattymattC 2017-10-29
That $18B seems to go a long way/
1 rsyay 2017-10-29
I don't think it's about covering up, it's more about not turning the thread into a shitstorm of politics over a wholesome quote he said.
1 whenitsTimeyoullknow 2017-10-29
That's ostensibly the reason, but how does a George W Bush picture rise that fast to the top of Reddit? Smells like propaganda.
1 rsyay 2017-10-29
Because it's a pretty good post, are you going to question everything that goes to /r/All? Safer to not theorise this one dude.
1 whenitsTimeyoullknow 2017-10-29
No, I'm only going to question the questionable stuff.
1 Kind_Of_A_Dick 2017-10-29
Because people weren't upvoting the picture, they were upvoting the words in the picture. Wholesomememes is a place for wholesome discussion and shared things, not a place to bicker and bitch. The quote in the picture fits perfectly with the sub, but the bitching and whining does not. I support them locking the thread because it's not a place to discuss politics.
Why not crosspost it here so you can freely discuss how shitty his presidency was and all of his crimes?
1 nebuchadrezzar 2017-10-29
Hitler said plenty of wholesome stuff too. Are they going to allow mass murderers and torturers just because they made a good quote?
1 rsyay 2017-10-29
How stupid do people have to be to realise it's not a political discussion sub, it's an excellent quote from one of the most influential people of our time and you guys are calling it a conspiracy. It doesn't matter what you think of him that's not what the fucking post is about.
1 nebuchadrezzar 2017-10-29
Yes, the source matters. They're making it political by choosing to feature and defend horrible leaders. Of the millions of wholesome quotes to choose from, you pick one from Bush? You can't separate the individual from the crime. There is no way to rehabilitate any Bush, so knock it off.
1 wholesalewhores 2017-10-29
He obviously doesn't mean it because he's a evil man.
1 rsyay 2017-10-29
Your opinion of him doesn't equate to everyone's opinion of him
1 wholesalewhores 2017-10-29
It's a fact that he's done terrible shit. That's not an opinion.
1 rsyay 2017-10-29
This sub is genuinely retarded pce im out
1 Jarod_Escapes 2017-10-29
If you ever needed proof Reddit is a hive of Marxist idiots, the GWB love is it.
1 feedmesources 2017-10-29
Why does praising a Republican make them Marxists?
1 Kcarp6380 2017-10-29
It's not Republican vs Democrat. Why is this concept so hard?
1 holographictomato 2017-10-29
Yeah you're right, neither are marxists. Why is the concept of understanding what a Marxist is so hard? I should know as a full blown commie
1 DannyTheChamp1958 2017-10-29
Unironically a communist. Ayyyy
1 holographictomato 2017-10-29
Can you explain what communism is?
1 DannyTheChamp1958 2017-10-29
an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
1 holographictomato 2017-10-29
Not even close. There are no private owners in communism.
1 DannyTheChamp1958 2017-10-29
To be fair, you have to have a very high I.Q to understand communism.
1 GhostDog999 2017-10-29
That word doesn't mean what you think it means.....
1 Jarod_Escapes 2017-10-29
As I already mentioned down further: These Redditos I'm referring to are products of a university system that is heavily infested with Marxist sympathizing - or outright Marxist- Professors and educators. The fact they are supporting Bush AND Obama with equal vigor should tell you something. This isn't a Dem vs R conflict.
1 GhostDog999 2017-10-29
🙄 So you know that the vast majority of people on Reddit are young and marxists because.....?
I'm a socialist. I visit socialist, anarchist, communist and marxist subreddits daily and no one has any love for George W. Bush and very few have any love for Obama.
You don't know what you're talking about and your preconceptions about who are marxists and what that entails is laughable.
1 JustDoinThings 2017-10-29
You don't know what you are talking about if you are unaware of what the Left has been doing the last 60 or 70 years in the US.
1 GhostDog999 2017-10-29
What does that even mean?
1 holographictomato 2017-10-29
It's the usual dotard idiots who think socialism has taken over America, none of them even know what it is
1 GhostDog999 2017-10-29
It's not that difficult if they just were to pick up a book and read or browse /r/socialism and /r/socialism101 and educate themselves but they can't even do that.
1 holographictomato 2017-10-29
The donald is leaking again. If you think Democrats and republicans are marxists you're outright insane
1 Jarod_Escapes 2017-10-29
No, dumbass. Re-read what I wrote.
They are not divided along D v R lines.
1 Simplicity3245 2017-10-29
You spelled neoliberal wrong.
1 holographictomato 2017-10-29
This is outright the dumbest comment I've read today.
I know you Donaldites think Marxist is just an insult you throw around it really isn't, it has an actual meaning.
1 Jarod_Escapes 2017-10-29
Get a grip. These Redditos I'm referring to are products of a university system that is heavily infested with Marxist sympathizing - or outright Marxist- Professors and educators. The fact they are supporting Bush AND Obama with equal vigor should tell you something. This isn't a Dem vs R conflict.
1 holographictomato 2017-10-29
Yeah, like I said, mental
1 Jarod_Escapes 2017-10-29
Not an argument.
On a related note, would you like a free helicopter ride?
1 ComicGamer 2017-10-29
Yeah. Gullible social justice warriors that think socialism is a neat idea. These people also have short memory spans because they think GDubs is cute now.
1 holographictomato 2017-10-29
You think socialists are the ones supporting Bush? Hahaha you trump idiots are beyond crazy.
1 ComicGamer 2017-10-29
I do not vote, nor do I like Trump. Calling out hypocrisy doesnt make me a Trump supporter
1 PocketSquirrel 2017-10-29
The answer is simple: Republicans good. Democrats bad.
I was hoping this would finally die, but it seems as strong as ever.
1 KarmaPolice777 2017-10-29
Vote this post up to the front page.
1 slappy_patties 2017-10-29
"war crimes"
1 Mmmelissamarie 2017-10-29
What was the mods excuse for saying it was locked? For that reason?
1 Tarrock 2017-10-29
"wtf, I love GWB now."
-Reddit
1 stevedave_37 2017-10-29
I mean, I wouldn't ask for that admin again but it would be marginally better than this horsheshit
1 not___fazed 2017-10-29
I agree. While Trump's administration hasn't been as harmful (yet), I think his election and presidency have pushed this country's attitudes toward free press, and political service in a dangerous direction.
1 Rightfull9 2017-10-29
The Iraq War, Afghan War (still), the Patriot act, wall street bailouts, Dick Cheney and all the neoconservatives that surrounded his presidency. The effects of the Bush administration are still being felt today and will take a long time to recover from, if ever. Trump is terrible but he doesn't even come close to the damage Bush did.
1 SomeRandomGuydotdot 2017-10-29
You're a fucking idiot.
The Iraq War - Massive bipartisan support.
Afghan War (still) - Massive bipartisan support
the Patriot act - Massive bipartisan support
wall street bailouts - liquidity crisis. What was he supposed to do?
Saying these things are Bush, is attempting to pass blame away from where it truly lies. The American people.
1 ShellOilNigeria 2017-10-29
Removed. Rule 10.
1 SomeRandomGuydotdot 2017-10-29
The Iraq War - Massive bipartisan support.
Afghan War (still) - Massive bipartisan support
the Patriot act - Massive bipartisan support
wall street bailouts - liquidity crisis. What was he supposed to do?
Saying these things are Bush, is attempting to pass blame away from where it truly lies. The American people.
1 not___fazed 2017-10-29
I think it makes sense. A lot of people using Reddit were kids while Bush jr was president. People often think of their childhoods as a simpler time. So, emotionally, these people may be more inclined to view him positively. Regardless of the facts of his presidency.
1 StucktownSkeezer 2017-10-29
Also now we have the most unlikable man in the planet.
1 Beetlejuiceisking 2017-10-29
You sound like a little girl who exaggerates everything
1 not___fazed 2017-10-29
What kind of adult tries to insult someone by calling them a little girl?
1 Beetlejuiceisking 2017-10-29
Someone who knows when to call a spade a spade
1 not___fazed 2017-10-29
You just sound like a jerk to me, not some font of wisdom.
1 Kalysta 2017-10-29
No, Trump's actually very likable. His charisma was a huge part of how he got into the presidency. If you want to find the most unlikable men on the planet, turn your attention to Ted Cruz (so unlikable even his republican coworkers can't stand him), or Martin Skreli (who they had trouble finding a jury for in his recent white collar crime trial because even jurors who had no idea who he was took one look at him and said things like "that's a snake").
You can argue that Trump is a liar, that he's unprepared for his role, that he's a narcissist, that he's easily manipulated by those around him, but you can't honestly argue that he's unlikable. People who spend time with him state that he's actually fun to be around, and his voters loved him during his rallies.
1 not___fazed 2017-10-29
It's perfectly possible to argue Trump is unlikable, using data. Here is a Pew Global study demonstrating how unpopular he is in the global community. Here's a Gallup poll showing how unpopular he is in America.
1 Kalysta 2017-10-29
Sure, he’s unpopular as a politician, but in order to win the presidency you have to have some air of likability. Candidates who lack this, like Ted Cruz and Hillary Clinton, don’t win the country’s biggest popularity contest. And yea, Clinton won her primary but that was through media influence and dirty procedural tricks, not because people liked her.
1 BrewtalDoom 2017-10-29
Yeah. He's extremely unlikable. But, y'know. He's good at uniting people who hate a lot of things.
1 StucktownSkeezer 2017-10-29
What I can say is that nearly every single person I know doesn't like the guy.
1 skeeter1234 2017-10-29
I have to agree with this. I'm far from a Trump supporter but the guy is likable. I watched about 20 minutes of the Republican debates and the guy was by far the most likable guy on the stage, and the only one saying anything that sounded even remotely authentic.
I have to admit it was rather fun watching him humiliate Jeb Bush.
Seriously - the reason Trump is in office is because the rest of the Republican candidates were utterly without charisma. I remember thinking "how the fuck did these guys become leaders?"
1 trapaik 2017-10-29
Your thinking to deep, it’s reddit. Anyone anti trump is a hero on Reddit .
1 ShittyDicky 2017-10-29
What's cooler than being apart of the resistance?
1 MrZionix 2017-10-29
Lol so you think “the establishment” starts and ends with the Oval Office?
1 Diarrhea_Van_Frank 2017-10-29
“Resistance.” Trump is the resistance lol
1 OmgKidGetAJob 2017-10-29
cant tell if /s anymore...
1 DannyTheChamp1958 2017-10-29
*sarcastic
1 Boner666420 2017-10-29
Dude filled his cabinet with billionaires and corrupt corporate representatives and you thinknhes the resistance?
1 Diarrhea_Van_Frank 2017-10-29
Yeah, actually. Trump’s election represents the absolute rejection of the political status quo by the American voters. Whether or not he’s what we wanted is secondary to the fact that he’s a walking middle finger.
1 derp6667 2017-10-29
Drain the swamp and who wants to drain it more then billionaires that want change
1 ficarra1002 2017-10-29
I don't like Trump but at least he's not a fucking war monger (At least not currently)
1 MaximinusDrax 2017-10-29
Iran and NK will be relieved to know that.
1 SmokeyBare 2017-10-29
Also all the civilians he's bombed. Which is already more than Obama.
1 Fergalbuttmuncher 2017-10-29
Source?
1 SmokeyBare 2017-10-29
https://airwars.org/data/
1 islandblend 2017-10-29
Not OP and on mobile but here you go http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-administration-airstrikes-terrorism-2017-10
1 Draculea 2017-10-29
For those who don't feel like following the rabbit hole for ten minutes: The source is self-reported from Social Media, by people who have been hit by these strikes, and by non-profits (while a list of the NGO's is available, their sources/reports are not), and from "Martyr Facebook Pages."
The language this page uses makes me feel like they might have a bias, but I'm not sure.
1 SmokeyBare 2017-10-29
The source is Airwars. A non-profit aimed at making war more transparent.
1 Draculea 2017-10-29
Their page links to a source on The Daily Beast, which links back to Airwars, which links to a source page that says their kill counts come from social media posts by those affected, Martyr Facebook Pages, and NGO's operating in the area. They didn't actually list the militaries of either the Coalition or Russians as a source - could just be an inconsistency.
1 SmokeyBare 2017-10-29
They use dat from both militaries and first hand accounts
1 Draculea 2017-10-29
From their site:
They don't say anything about Coalition military or Russians; the closest I see is "militant and terrorist propaganda."
1 Gay_N_Racist 2017-10-29
Ya, but AirWars is funded by George Soros He has an agenda And the agenda is not for you. It's for himself.
1 Gay_N_Racist 2017-10-29
Also, AirWars non profit is funded by OpenSociety. Aka George Soros!. Seriously, get this shit out of here
1 Herxheim 2017-10-29
business insider. for all your wartime statistics.
1 nate_dawg_128 2017-10-29
Definitely want a source on this one... Obama was known for dumping money into drone bombing.
1 tsktac 2017-10-29
Here's one, but there are plenty more statistics available through a simple google search.
1 DownvoteToKarmaHell 2017-10-29
Source? Big if true
1 naamah- 2017-10-29
Definitely not more than Obama's 8 years but maybe by days in office
1 tatadoo 2017-10-29
Keyword in that article is "coalition". This includes Russian attacks which are not scrutinized as much as US attacks.
But I agree, we need to stop bombing people.
1 joshman0219 2017-10-29
Hahaha you link it to a George Soris funded site. No one dropped more bombs/ drones than obama.
1 BrewtalDoom 2017-10-29
You missed all the sabre-rattling over North Korea and Iran?
1 ficarra1002 2017-10-29
Are we actually invading them yet?
(Hopefully) Trump is all bark no bite.
1 BrewtalDoom 2017-10-29
Nope, not yet. The rhetoric is alarming though. Standing in the UN and throwing out insults like 'Rocket Man' or blathering on about 'fire and fury' is not a good sign though.
Let's hope that things don't get bad enough domestically that the only option they see is a foreign war to help galvanise support.
1 galaxy_live 2017-10-29
North Korea has had a mutual defense treaty with China since 1961. Recently China has publicly restated their position:
If NK attacks anyone, NK is on their own. If the US attacks NK, China will honor its mutual defense treaty with NK.
Do you think the people in the Pentagon and the deep state -- the people who really control things -- are going to let Trump start a war with China?
1 joshman0219 2017-10-29
Does that make obama a war monger too?
1 chakula 2017-10-29
No of course not. Obama is the black man that healed racial division.
1 joshman0219 2017-10-29
Hahahaha good one!
1 upyoursshill 2017-10-29
Fuck yes he is, he obliterated LIbya because Gaddaffi wouldn't accept USA fiat cash, he wanted to trade his oil for something of value, like gold. So for sure he was a war criminal, just an eloquent liar is all.
1 joshman0219 2017-10-29
Yep. No Prez was a bigger war monger in modern history than Obama.
1 Pandas_UNITE 2017-10-29
Obama was certainly a war monger: Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria. Bombed more countries than Bush. Trump hasn't ended any of these operations.
1 huffinbutthash 2017-10-29
"I need 10x more nukular missiles!!!#"
Not a war monger president.
1 not___fazed 2017-10-29
I think that kind of narrative plays right in to the kind of thinking this subreddit generally tries to avoid. Red vs. Blue. Black and white. What if I support strong property laws, but also some gun control, and also gay marriage, but not all the multi-gender stuff? There's no room for me in the conversation, because both sides often reject me.
1 ratamahattayou 2017-10-29
I think there's more people like you.
1 not___fazed 2017-10-29
Thanks, I'm glad to hear you say that.
1 gametheory94 2017-10-29
Yeah I'm like you too but I understand what you mean
1 HonkyOFay 2017-10-29
Well, I think there's more people who aren't.
1 Fergus_the_Trump 2017-10-29
Silent majority is this.
1 YodasYoda 2017-10-29
I'm with ya.
1 ItsAMeEric 2017-10-29
That used to be true here, I miss those days
1 johnbsea 2017-10-29
And Trump is anti everything these people used to hate... I love the media and establishment now!
1 ManVanStaal 2017-10-29
Trump = nazi so GWB = commie
1 Wasabifartjuice 2017-10-29
Well it kinda makes sense, he just really is not a great leader or capable president
1 Yellowgenie 2017-10-29
Loo no, and Trump is widely hated everywhere, not just on Reddit.
1 trapaik 2017-10-29
1 Yellowgenie 2017-10-29
A racist Trump supporter? I'm shocked
1 trapaik 2017-10-29
1 Yellowgenie 2017-10-29
1 SoullessHillShills 2017-10-29
By my namesake, anyways.
1 CakeDayTurnsMeOn 2017-10-29
On the nose with this one.
1 Beetlejuiceisking 2017-10-29
You also sound like a littk girl who exaggerates everything.
1 currentlydrinking 2017-10-29
I think you hit it on the head. I was 6 on 9/11. Sure, I remember that, but I don't remember much of what life was actually like with GW as president. I didn't care about politics at all until like 2 years after he left office.
It's much harder to realize what he did unless you lived through it at the time. Reading back on it just doesn't do it justice.
So today, when he makes a criticism I agree with, none of his past life comes to my mind because I didn't really live through it and it's just distant history in my mind, which isn't right, but just how my brain processes it.
1 kazimir22 2017-10-29
I remember talking to a military recruiter trying to get him to fuck off. "How many soldiers died in Iraq?" "Couple thousand." "How many civilians?" "Bout a million."
War Criminals
1 SomeRandomGuydotdot 2017-10-29
Look. You're quite honestly over simplifying the situation. If Bush is a war criminal, it's over torture and not the war in Iraq.
1 kazimir22 2017-10-29
I haven't forgotten about Abu Ghraib. Just if you or I killed a million people, I'd expect some consequences.
1 SomeRandomGuydotdot 2017-10-29
Just if you or I killed a million people
Bush didn't kill a million people. Also, the majority of civilian causalities in the Iraq war are a direct result of the civil war. Are you claiming that the US provided material support to death squads in Iraq? That'd be real news.
Beyond that, the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse resulted in actual convictions, and likely wasn't at request of the president.
It's ok though. I don't mind that you're misrepresenting the situation, I'm just shocked at the lack of thought regarding the situation.
1 kazimir22 2017-10-29
Just what are you getting at? Guantanamo? Are you just being argumentative to argumentative?
Bush IS a war criminal.
1 SomeRandomGuydotdot 2017-10-29
Bush IS a war criminal.
I was thinking CIA black sites, but yea. I think it's probably true.
Rumsfield, I think, is probably a war criminal for Abu Ghraib. That's the difference.
The fact that a million civilians died in a war isn't the same thing as a war crime. There's a shit ton of Iraqi politicians that probably committed crimes against humanity. You're not going to see prosecution for obvious reasons. It was a dirty war and everyone knows that, but it wasn't a war of aggression.
1 kazimir22 2017-10-29
Forgot Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice.
1 not___fazed 2017-10-29
I feel exactly the same way! I was 9, so I was definitely aware enough to realize my country had been attacked, and I was old enough for that to scare me. My perception of GWB was just a kind, goofy father figure, taking us to war against the bad men.
1 Stormtech5 2017-10-29
Same for me, even as a 10 year old i wondered how two planes made the towers fall like controlled demolitions on TV...
1 dawgsjw 2017-10-29
They were looking for any way to get Saddam H and they used the 9/11 attacks as that means. Bush was just as bad as the others. There was even an interesting video posted of Bush Jr's speeches as a politician prior to taking office compared to those once he became President. It was kind of a stark contrast and seems if he was drugged up or the puppeteer rope was tightened up considerably.
1 Kalysta 2017-10-29
Glad I was old enough to start forming actual opinions during HW's time. I watched his "crusade against terror" speech live in my undergraduate college's theater. The term "crusade" was deliberately chosen at the time, despite them trying to walk it back the next day. They wanted to inflame tensions. The whole lot are a bunch of warmongering dipshits who don't care how many innocents die in their lust for power. And I include all the presidents since nixon in that warmongering dipshits quote.
1 BrewtalDoom 2017-10-29
Jimmy Carter?
1 Kalysta 2017-10-29
Escalated the cold war after the soviets invaded Afghanistan. He was better than the others, granted, but he still enabled our steady march to endless war.
1 dawgsjw 2017-10-29
When will they see that all these presidents are scrubs, including Trump? Why keep having the same families rule the US? The Bushes, the Clintons, etc. I bet more Clintons and Bushes run down the line and probably the Obama chicks. Seems like the only reason people keep supporting them is because they blindly follow rep or dem.
1 SelfAwareAsian 2017-10-29
It is definitely this. I grew up as Bush jr being the first president I remember. I didn't follow his presidency and I always considered him an alright president until I started reading about his presidency
1 BigThickLongAndHard 2017-10-29
"wtf, I also love also John McCain. He's a HERO"
1 notmadjustnomad 2017-10-29
This one infuriates me
1 Yellowgenie 2017-10-29
Lol wait, you are saying he isn't?
1 KDLANGSTONHUGHES 2017-10-29
He's not.
1 Yellowgenie 2017-10-29
How isn't a former POW who was held under horrific conditions including being deprived of medical treatment, food and water, placed on solitary, and tortured relentlessly without giving out any intel for almost 6 years, and refusing being released unless his fellow americans in the camp were released as well, a hero? Because he doesn't like Trump? You people are pathetic and an insult to the country you swear you are defending.
1 whenitsTimeyoullknow 2017-10-29
There's plenty in his background and track record as a politician that detracts from the idea that he has all of our best interests in mind. There's also the highly questionable reasoning for the US invading Vietnam, making "what he fought for" less noble than, say, a WWII Pearl Harbor survivor. He deserves respect and admiration for his actions and sacrifices. But "hero" isn't a word an Iraqi orphan would use.
1 Yellowgenie 2017-10-29
I don't agree with the reasoning behind the Vietnam war either and I'm not his biggest fan when it comes to politics, but that doesn't mean he isn't a war hero for us or makes his actions any less noble. What he did there goes way beyond whatever the thought process the government went through to justify that war imo. A iraqi orphan wouldn't consider Charles de Gaulle a hero either, but he really is war a hero for the french, regardless of whether or not they agree with his politics.
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-29
He's a hero for what he went through as a pow. He's an absolute disgrace for what he's done since.
1 ready-ignite 2017-10-29
Have to get out in front of the remaining JFK files dropping.
1 edfrmLA 2017-10-29
Disgusting watching him on tv after sex allegations came out
1 holographictomato 2017-10-29
They actually deleted all comments critical of George Bush and muted anyone who PM'd them about it.
Discussion about PMs me and others sent to mods, we were all muted
People posted threads mocking the mods - Henry Kissinger, Hitler playing with a dog, Robert E Lee
Copy of my post from elsewhere about discussion I had with a mod about censoring comments
I'm now banned, the reason they cited was me making this comment
Personally, I thought they'd ban me for saying Nazi's weren't all bad because they dressed nice, Henry kissenger had a good heart, or Ted Bundy wasn't all bad because he had nice hair. Maybe they're considered wholesome?
edit - lmao just got this PM from a mod
How is it even possible to not understand that that comment is a direct mocking of the comments they allowed in the Bush thread..
edit 2 - mod followed up telling me 'most of the comments deleted were trolling or provoking arguments', I said 'so not all then? and asked for a screenshot of the deleted comment logs and I'd apologise if I was wrong, mod said I was 'clearly not here for a discussion of the situation'
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1 holographictomato 2017-10-29
do 1 m8
1 nebuchadrezzar 2017-10-29
They did the same thing with their Obama post. No mention of funding terrorists or destroying Libya allowed. Especially not funding Nazis, I don't think you can bring that up anywhere or you somehow become a Nazi.
1 holographictomato 2017-10-29
Wait I agree with funding terrorists and destroying Libya (could also add ramping up drone strikes, prosecuting more whistleblowers than ever, and sending more troops to Iraq & Afghanistan) but I'm not sure about the funding Nazis bit
1 nebuchadrezzar 2017-10-29
Congress agreed unanimously to prevent aid from going to Nazis and other extremists, of course. Voting against would have been political suicide. BUT! The amendment's sponsors withdrew it after getting pressure or incentives, possibly both. This is 100% on Obama. If he wanted the amendment to pass, a single mention to the press would have guaranteed passage. The problem was he was helping Nazis AND sunni extremists, being the neocon FP lackey that he was. If you want proof of the fact that the MSM is nearly completely bought, notice their almost unanimous cooperation with the administration in keeping this entire affair silent. This should have been bigger than Watergate, and it all happened right in public view.
Anyway, they later worked out a deal with Ukraine. The neo Nazi Azov battalion was given regular army status, and congress passed another amendment banning aid specifically to the Azov battalion, instead of neonazis and extremists in general. No problem because, officially, there is no more azov battalion. I have been called a Nazi nearly every time I bring this up on reddit, and downvoted to oblivion every time.
https://www.thenation.com/article/congress-has-removed-a-ban-on-funding-neo-nazis-from-its-year-end-spending-bill/
1 Floorspud 2017-10-29
Wow the mods enforced their sub rules?? Shocking stuff.
1 Slab_Happy 2017-10-29
Just another day on Reddit.
1 7GAS777 2017-10-29
I wasn't there to see any of it, but I am sure he didn't write half the shit he put his name to. He is still probably guilty of treason. I can't see any way he isn't. I guess I'll hear him out if he doesn't run.
1 nebuchadrezzar 2017-10-29
I was banned from there for criticizing a pic of Obama as wholesome. It was a pic of he and Michelle at their wedding with no text, implying that they are wholesome. I didn't agree that someone who funds terrorists and starts unnecessary wars is wholesome.
I think the sub is just being used to rehab the image of certain scumbags.
1 laxt 2017-10-29
What sub has this thread in question?
1 nebuchadrezzar 2017-10-29
Wholesomemassmurderers, I guess.
1 smortgoy 2017-10-29
Anything I write criticizing Obama gets so many down votes. I know the feeling
1 Beneficial1 2017-10-29
Bush, Funneling that hurricane relief money his charity skimmed from Texas into the propaganda front on social media. Reddit, thirsty for more tricks this Halloween, greedily accepts the shekels in yet another deal with the devil.
1 holographictomato 2017-10-29
There was a post just a few weeks ago that hit /r/all praising him for meeting hurricane katrina victims. That's way worse than this one imo, but combined that makes me suspicious.
1 ColdWarWarrior 2017-10-29
There was a poll that just came out from The Economist. Where %51 of Democrats had a favorable view of George W. Bush. This both pisses me off and scares the shit out of me that so many people like this guy.
1 laxt 2017-10-29
What "Democrats", though? Spoiled, college-aged Hillary Clinton supporters? Anti-establishment liberals? I'd be skeptical as hell of that poll.
1 ColdWarWarrior 2017-10-29
It's people who are registered as a Democrat.
1 laxt 2017-10-29
Alright, and nationwide? In one county? What age group? How many were polled? And what was exactly asked? "How do you feel about George W. Bush as a private citizen?" Or "How do you feel about George W. Bush's presidency today?" Those two questions fulfill his "approval", but ask two completely different things.
You see what I'm saying? I'm not trying to attack you.
1 n0mar 2017-10-29
I hate these kind of posts that mention something on the "front page", but cant link to them? The front page changes. Provide a link so others can see it.
1 conspiracy_edgelord 2017-10-29
And people say that Shareblue don't exist. People in this sub even boldly state CTR doesn't exist despite the massive evidence and political climate shifts overnight. I mean come on, the liberal media treated Bush like they did Trump. Not as bad, but still constant bashing and hit pieces etc. Now they want everyone to love him when he spoke out against Trump?
How can anyone on this site seriously think that MSM isn't literally propaganda? Especially after what wikileaks proved.
1 Floorspud 2017-10-29
Nobody says shareblue doesn't exist, they have a website...
1 conspiracy_edgelord 2017-10-29
Exist in the fact that there's 24/7 roaming groups of down voters/forum sliders attempting to high jack not only conversation, but entire subs through established mod removal. There are absolutely people claiming that Shareblue doesn't do this, and that CTR didn't either.
1 jammerlappen 2017-10-29
Why do people think shareblue does this? I mean, I understand how people think it's is happening generally, but why specifically shareblue?
1 wulfgang 2017-10-29
Any republican who says something negative about Trump is immediately embraced and cheered by the /r/politics crowd who appraently have forgotten about the 100,000 or so dead Iraqis from the sanctions and Shock and Awe.
The would literally cheer for Stalin if he were alive and criticizing the Prez.
1 theawesomethatis 2017-10-29
Need to get someine in to 'interview' charlie manson about how he 'hates trump'.
1 coocookazoo 2017-10-29
Can I get a link?
1 Bloated_Nutsack 2017-10-29
Liberals suddenly turning around and deciding to love GWB is probably the most bizarre thing of 2017.
1 Mahadragon 2017-10-29
People don't have a context in this scenario. Both Bush's are beloved in Texas. Heck, they named an airport for Bush. The Houston Astros are in the World Series, why not celebrate with 2 local heroes? To me it makes perfect sense. W has thrown out the first pitch before.
1 H_Lon_Rubbard 2017-10-29
This whole website is an exercise in tailoring a narrative.
1 naturecollision 2017-10-29
I'm still waiting for the day they will be brought to justice. and it all depends on who pays the judge.
1 THETRUMPTRUTHTRAIN 2017-10-29
Globalism kills
1 Icanus 2017-10-29
Which US president did not commit warcrimes?
If we apply the Nurenberg principles we can hang just about every single one of them.
1 NorthBlizzard 2017-10-29
Weird how reddit and the left are willing to forgive and befriend someone if it means they can use it to spite someone else.
"Tolerance"
1 hellsongs 2017-10-29
Absolutely insane that this Bush rhetoric is happening right now. Bush and his cabinet commuted war crimes and put us in a forever war. What the fuck is going on? What is this supposed to be distracting us from? What IS this distracting us from?
1 ChamberedEcho 2017-10-29
Shared this in a Bernie sub earlier and had it removed by a mod.
Yep.
1 rigorousintuition 2017-10-29
And i (sent a pm to the mods)[https://www.reddit.com/r/FreeSpeech/comments/79l15b/at_best_i_had_expected_no_response_i_laughed_out/?st=j9dtzwnh&sh=3910102f] after they said they were happy to answer questions and got myself banned for 72 hours.
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1 XXX-XXX-XXX 2017-10-29
If its any condolence, the rest of the world outside of the US still hate him. Don't know why your media is making him out to be some silly innocent bro as of lately. Seems like this weird propaganda is working in the states though, which is weird and uncomfortable.
1 derpetteseducer 2017-10-29
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1 Plague-Lord 2017-10-29
its not on my front page.. you guys need to unsub from all the shill general subs, or better yet make a new account, then you start with a fresh front page with only the stuff you actively subscribe to.
1 Pigeon_Impossible 2017-10-29
Can you link it for me? Reddits search engine is shit.
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-29
Just in case people need a reminder of the lies used to go to war with Bush
1 Dogalicious 2017-10-29
Magog has the best P.R. team one can summon from the abyss.
1 MesaBoogeyMan 2017-10-29
Why is he the war criminal??? You think he had a choice? It was all put in place before he got there and its the way it will always work. Every president is a war criminal
1 tmcottle 2017-10-29
Bet OP thinks the Clintons are angels
1 MesaBoogeyMan 2017-10-29
Nope not at all. I dont vote im from canada and will never align with any party. Or politician
1 BunzoBear 2017-10-29
Honestly who fucking cares? This is a private website where us the user's have no control over anything. This is not new info, we all know this so what's the problem. If "someone" wants to censore stuff then let them. The user's that are upset over the censorship can easily just move on to another website where they can talk about his warcrimes. Now if the whole internet was censoring all conversations about bush so people could not talk about warcrimes then there would be a conspiracy. But that's not happening. So pull up your big boy pants, accept the fact this is a private website that can censor whatever they want and either move on to another website or hang out here and stop being upset and shocked when when conversations on the website are controlled.
Really though what would it matter to bush is people on reddit could openly discuss the warcrimes he is accused of? It would not effect bush in the slightest. So since it would not effect bush at all then why would the post be locked for the purpose of not allowing users to talk about warcrimes?
1 arnorath 2017-10-29
do you seriously fucking think that reddit is trying to censor gwb's controversial policies
like, do you not think maybe some of us have heard of them from places besides reddit.
1 Dhylan 2017-10-29
George Herbert Walker Bush, "The CIA President"
1 KittyHasABeard 2017-10-29
The worst about this is locking comments so no one can remind people or tell those who were too young at the time what this man really was. I mean, really really, what he was, was a puppet. I have no doubt that Dubya had a terrible childhood, was probably abused in all kinds of twisted satanic rituals, sodomized by his father's friends and what have you, and was basically broken and stitched back together to be the perfect puppet zombie President to hail the new millennium, preside over 9/11 and be the fall guy should anything go wrong. Part of me even feels a little bit bad for him. I mean, look at his parents. I've never seen such clear radiation of evil.
But still, it's sick that the well documented war crimes he committed are being wiped out of collective memory. I mean, at least in the UK Tony Blair is still reviled, no matter how often they try to wheel him back out as though he's some nostalgic symbol of better times - people scream war criminal at him, including members of parliament and the new leader of the party he once led.
1 AlvinGT3RS 2017-10-29
There maybe a few good things, but him and Barak were shite
1 Alantuktuk 2017-10-29
I don't understand why people are holding someone with the capacity of a sheltered child accountable for the actions of the real men in power. Jesus, did you ever hear the guy talk? He's barely speaking English sometimes.
1 Teressa_Green 2017-10-29
So true George Bush should be in prison right now and his father. His father attacks Iraq in the 90s George Bush Jr gets into power makes up a fake story that Sadam has nuclear weapons, starts a war kills thousands hangs Sadam the suprise suprise no nuclear weapons. Then he starts installing fear on the public with "mass terror threats" the news promote the hell out of it. This is all even without bringing the world trade towers into it. Bush is the real terrorist it's sad to say but he has made a lot of the world dislike USA and the uk
1 farstriderr 2017-10-29
Obama ordered an airstrike on a hospital.
1 anonymau5 2017-10-29
I'm going to say there's a book and/or AMA with him coming up.
1 dukey 2017-10-29
Bush was a lame duck president until 9/11 happened. Then that kicked off the war of terror that literally destroyed the middle east. Chuck in some imaginary WMDs and all the torture. Pretty dark time for the west.
1 foosballallah 2017-10-29
That's some pretty good shit your smoking there bud, either that or you don't know the definition of "Lame Duck". Bush was only President for 9 months when 9/11 happened. Lame Duck refers to a President or an elected official that is in the last year of their term usually with the opposing party in control of Congress.
1 dukey 2017-10-29
His poll numbers were collapsing. His spent most of his time either on holiday or making a complete fool of himself in public speeches.
1 foosballallah 2017-10-29
His poll numbers were collapsing? Really? Do you know anything that's correct? First of all poll numbers don't mean shit. You don't take a poll and elect a new President there junior. This ain't a popularity contest, this ain't high school. I'll give you a chance to redeem yourself, please name one speech Bush gave in the first nine months in office that he made a fool of himself and what did he say?
1 dukey 2017-10-29
Can I name a speech off the top of my head? No, you are talking about 16 years or ago or so. But his entire time as president was littered with examples of him making a complete fool of himself in speeches.
1 foosballallah 2017-10-29
I can say the same for Obama. Lauded as some eloquent statesman but just a stuttering idiot. If it wasn't on the teleprompter he couldn't spit it out. If you go back and see any off the cuff interview, he stuttered every answer. I guess the fake Harvard education couldn't fix his speech impediment.
1 Solace1 2017-10-29
The manufactured rose tinted glasses are the new trend
1 DecentUserName0000 2017-10-29
War crimes?
1 skeeter1234 2017-10-29
I made a subreddit satirizing r/wholesomememes called r/reallywholesomememes - you guys should check it out.
Wholesomememes banned me for posting a picture of Hitler playing with his dog, and me saying "if this isn't wholesome I don't know what is."
1 Religion__of__Peace 2017-10-29
If a post is locked, it shouldn't be able to be on the front page.
1 MetalLadyBenz 2017-10-29
Bush and his Warring are the main reason I believed I would only live until 20... With his fake Christian faith and announcements of End Time Doom
1 hsageer 2017-10-29
Wtf George Bush whole family lineage is in question. From Prescott to Jeb, changed course of US history and people applauding GWB.
1 PastRelyks 2017-10-29
Yeah it's weird whenever something bad about someone surfaces on reddit sometimes a post will hit the front page of them "just being a human being" wow no way they breathe our air?! Same thing happened with obama
1 irondumbell 2017-10-29
fuck the Bush and Clinton dynasty
1 postonrddt 2017-10-29
It's more about preserving the swamp. Personalities aside it's all about the swamp/establishment goes. Once the status quo is changed so will legacies and of course status. They're scared because if it's not their new world order they don't know if they'll fit in.
1 txstoploss 2017-10-29
What is this 'front page'? Is that something to do with 'default subs'?
1 From_My_Brain 2017-10-29
Not really a conspiracy.
1 hypermoderns 2017-10-29
"There's no such thing as forgiveness. People just have short memories."
1 naamah- 2017-10-29
Lmao fucking banned from wholesomememes
1 Fantisimo 2017-10-29
you guys do know it was posted in wholesomememes right?
1 YoungUrbanFailure 2017-10-29
Do you have a link to this post lauding ol GW?
1 williamsates 2017-10-29
Just trying to rehabilitate the Bush name so next time Jeb Bush is not shut down. The dynasty needs to continue to rule.
1 Pq11 2017-10-29
My grandfather knew george bush senor from WW2 I guess they flew in the same plane i think george was the pilot and my grandfather was a gunner, I remembering him saying that his purple heart was bullshit and that he was a coward not a hero
1 toxic_banana 2017-10-29
Less so imo
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1 RaceFunkAndBrisco 2017-10-29
37 upvotes man. Only 49,963+. Definitely can only happen naturally...
1 rsyay 2017-10-29
How stupid do people have to be to realise it's not a political discussion sub, it's an excellent quote from one of the most influential people of our time and you guys are calling it a conspiracy. It doesn't matter what you think of him that's not what the fucking post is about.
1 Jarod_Escapes 2017-10-29
As I already mentioned down further: These Redditos I'm referring to are products of a university system that is heavily infested with Marxist sympathizing - or outright Marxist- Professors and educators. The fact they are supporting Bush AND Obama with equal vigor should tell you something. This isn't a Dem vs R conflict.
1 wholesalewhores 2017-10-29
It's a fact that he's done terrible shit. That's not an opinion.
1 cas_999 2017-10-29
Are you posting this comment from the afterlife?
1 CelineHagbard 2017-10-29
Removed. Rule 1, 4.
1 MrTacoMan 2017-10-29
No you didn't. What does that even mean? Just giving up is fucking stupid
1 mattymattC 2017-10-29
Helping all these kids https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8 See what the afterlife is a all about.
1 makka-pakka 2017-10-29
They're back! In Pog form!
1 Diarrhea_Van_Frank 2017-10-29
Yeah, actually. Trump’s election represents the absolute rejection of the political status quo by the American voters. Whether or not he’s what we wanted is secondary to the fact that he’s a walking middle finger.
1 derp6667 2017-10-29
Drain the swamp and who wants to drain it more then billionaires that want change
1 PassionateSizzle 2017-10-29
Lolol oh yeah