What do conspiracy theorists believe was the 'reason' behind 9/11?

11  2011-08-30 by [deleted]

Hi /r/conspiracy :)

I'm an average guy who's only just ventured into this sub-reddit. I'll admit now that I don't believe any conspiracy theories at the moment, but they've always interested me and I've always wondered - the why behind 9/11.

Let's say it was a government plan... why did they do it? Is there a mixture of responses or is there something everyone agrees upon?

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Create an enemy when there were no real enemies and justification for going to war in order to support the military-industrial complex.

See Project for the New American Century, Straussian political theory, Leo Strauss.

When all you have is a hammer, all problems must look like nails.

I always thought the why part was the most obvious.

conspiracy theorists think that Osama Bin Laden and Khalid masterminded it from a cave in Afghanistan because they hate our freedoms. They say they made confessions, one by videotape and another after 180 waterboards..

I almost spit my coffee all over the keyboard.

This is sadly the truth----I imagine those truly guilty welcome all others input---what's even sadder is these conspirators have captured the ears of the political and judicial class of the world and which loyal oil man war profiteer would be stupid enough to argue with these folks?

Might as well move on or put on your revolutionary boots because that's just about the only way the truth will ever be known..

It's all laid out by the think tank Project for the New American Century. It's arguable that PNAC members used or created the events of 9/11 as the "Pearl Harbor" that they needed to enact their goals.

Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"

Should anyone think elements of the American government would never entertain a plan to execute a false-flag operation just look up Operation Northwoods. We can be thankful that JFK was a man of principle and put this plan in the circular file.

Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated: "The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere."

Or the real false flag Gulf of Tonkin incident which was used as justification to basically start the Vietnam War. Which sort of started the tradition of Presidents having military "conflicts", instead of outright declared wars.

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then just upvote it

“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” ~Hermann Goering

The most logical reason for causing a terroristic threat on national soil is so they have some grounds to limit freedoms. They can wiretap, videotape, and arrest you now just because they think you could be a terrorist, or involved in terrorist activity. What is terrorist activity? Anything they don't want you doing. Stealing, selling, buying, trading, informing... any of it could be construed as 'terrorist' activity.

In this sense, they can apply whatever force they want to take down whoever they feel they want, because it is 'for the greater good of stopping terrorism'. This is a cause that sheeple people can get behind and justify the wreckless murders and injustices of war.

Why do we want war? So we can have things. Dominate territory. Why are we bombing Libya? Gold and oil reserves. Why were/are we at war in Iraq? Oil reserves and a foothold in the middle East, adding to the Allies territories in capturing every square foot of land out there in the name of Western interests.

War keeps people fearful for their lives. If we are always on the brink of war, no one wants to revolt. They keep us entertained, drugged, fat and lazy so we can't fight back, even if we wanted to. So you just keep plugging away, knowing they are 'protecting you from terror', so you just keep sending them your money so they can keep doing what they want.

You should know that the "official story" of 9/11 is also technically a conspiracy theory, and a pretty bad one at that. What's the motive in the official story?

Way to answer a question with a question.

1) Expand the military industrial complex via war & so called 'security'.

2) Concentrate power while removing independence & sovereignty.

3) Siphon middle-class wealth via newly created conduits (derivatives, debt, crashing economies, etc).

Check & Mate

What's the connection between 9/11 and the Creation of "innovative" financial instruments? Im not trying to challenge you, just curious, I'm interested in both and never thought they were connected. Thx!

Not direct, but it paved the way for trillions to go missing without batting an eye. Just the day before the pentagon was fumbling trying to explain missing billions, and I believe the sec (or at least docs related to investigations) was housed in building seven. Also, derivatives are a joke as it's impossible for large financial institutions not to have insider information in some capacity and they are going to exploit that. Just look at the put options against us airways on that fateful day.

2.3 trillion rumsfeld said day before 911

I thought it was 'trillions' but played it safe, thank you!

Ah yes, building seven! The most overlooked artifact if 9/11. Thanks!

They had been trying to push through the Patriot Act since Original George Bush, then they tried with Clinton and I believe he tried to push it through after the OKC bombing, then finally 9/11 was a "big enough" attack for our elected political leaders to vote away all our rights and pass the Patriot Act. Also yes, the military industrial complex.

Any links?

I'm sure if you google patriot act clinton, and patriot act george bush sr you can find plenty of information.

If you believe the official story of 9/11, then speculating about motivation is the last thing you should do.

Disbelief in the 9/11 official story results because people look skeptically at the available evidence and find it is not consistent with the official story. I encourage you to look further and try to understand why people see major problems with the official story.

Even if you come to agree with these doubts, it probably won't be very productive to speculate about motive. It's very difficult or impossible to prove motive conclusively.

Well said.

I'm too lazy to dig out a link, but I also remember some speculation on the WTC itself- that it was full of asbestos, not getting enough tenants, losing a ton of money etc, and taking up primo manhattan groundspace to boot.

But a building that big squeezed in a place like dense, they couldn't just blow it up or tear it down, they would've had to disassemble it bit by bit, and that would've cost shitloads. So they let the baddies use it for their stage show; PNAC gets their pearl harbour, the building owners collect a big insurance cheque, everybody wins.

That's what I heard, anyway, it could all be bollocks. Life goes on.

Yup. Plus the new owner of the towers insuring the building against terrorist attacks.

Is there a mixture of responses or is there something everyone agrees upon?

Of course people claim a mix of responses, among the popular ones: "Iraq", "Afghanistan", "war that will not end in our lifetimes", "Silk Road Strategy", "Israel", "oil", "Bush Doctrine"...

Profit and reduction of rights of the common citizen.

To justify the Wolfowitz Doctrine or for Larry Silverstein to get an easy out on asbestos abatement and collect a shit ton of insurance money.

They're all winners!

It was the black op created to run in the new threat to the world--the replacement for communism as a new viable threat to capitalism---

now the threat level has gone nuclear---so a clear opportunity to demonize all political opposition now exists---

with a clear distraction away from the acts of a criminal shadow banking industry now on a global scale..

Beware of the new and improved privatized freedom fighter/terrorist---evovled from the past nation sponsered military intelligence..

Motive---same reason for any attack on anyone---to impose or force social,, economic and political change----Shadow govt--private sector control---big business. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu6Vw2FExZQ

Major business and profit growth opportunities have always awaited America in nations with business friendly leaders and we've always assisted those leaders--who agree with American businesses..

If you flip over the rock of American foreign policy of the past century, this is what crawls out…

invasions … bombings … overthrowing governments … occupations … suppressing movements for social change … assassinating political leaders … perverting elections … manipulating labor unions … manufacturing "news" … economic and political sanctions ... death squads … torture … biological warfare … depleted uranium … drug trafficking … mercenaries …

It's not a pretty picture. It is enough to give imperialism a bad name.

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why else....to make money

China

The United States needed a compelling excuse to invade Afghanistan in order to setup a permanent base in preparation for an eventual conflict with China.

We're going to war with China?

An excuse to force the public accept the military actions needed by the long-term plan to maintain the American Empire's foothold in the Middle East, in order to keep access to oil and other resources, and to stave off Russian and Chinese influence.

Not enough? Well, I can think of another 30 billion reasons.

There's about a hundred different motives. They range from war, to stopping investigations at the SEC, to demolishing old buildings that needed to be dismantled anyway to remove asbestosis, to attacking records of outstanding bonds, to good old fashion insurance fraud and even a gold heist. It's the biggest crime ever. Everything took place on that one day.

to ensure the submission of the masses in order to justify the raping and pillaging of foreign countries and further totalitarian control over the population. Problem-Reaction-Solution. It's really quite simple and it's a proven formula. The design stays the same but the boogieman changes when it gets stale.

The American empire has finally turned on it's own---all those secret invasions and govt coups the business elite had the CIA involved in back in the days of Lyndon Johnson/nixon/carter/reagan/Bush/clinton to rid the world of any leaders who chose to serve the working class and the poor at the expense of the wealthy----have now been brought to American shores----to exterminate the middle class----and the world watches as the American people exhibit the effects of decades of being dumbed down and divided in a two-party system that has completely turned against them..

Americans are stuck now hoping for a "lesser evil" between two politicians who will be held hostage in the white house with his family and forced to pull the rug out from under millions of SS and medicare receipients so the wealthy bankers can be bailed out and corporations can cash in completely tax-free----Shhhhhhhh----democrats don't know it yet!

Protect Israel. Everyone knew the Arab Spring was coming. All you had to do was look at the demographics.

Chaos = CA$H

Beware of the gold bugs in the media----selling doom and gloom and then getting paid to lead you to gold and silver----snake-oil salesmen--frauds--pushing you into the arms of the gold sellers who are the only ones profiting-----DON"T HOLD THE GOLD!

Agreed buy silver. Its undervalued

Also the "terrorists" on every corner scares are helping to justify more surveillance on Americans to protect us.... really they're just getting ready to control us (more)

to expand american military power. the us has been at war continuously to increase power and inflate the economy. false flag operations are used to convince the nation that war is necessary.

Because a supposed group that rules everything wants to rule the world.

Execute the "Wolfowitz Doctrine"

You're going to hear a lot of bull in response to this which is mostly conjecture. The real answer is that there isn't one and definitely no evidence for any of the theories beyond poorly cobbled together circumstantial "evidence" that is far from conclusive.

Most of the theories you will hear, i.e. the PATRIOT Act, invading the Middle East, etc. etc. are all red herrings. Almost all of the "reasons" you will be given could have been accomplished without 9/11 or were barely even important enough to warrant such a massive attack.

Show me whatever youtube videos you want, there is still no compelling goal for 9/11 that couldn't have been accomplished without it.

Life is not a comic book. Dick Cheney is not Lex Luthor.

Dick Cheney is not Lex Luthor.